I hope no Lit writer uses this

[RjThoughts]

I came across this article this afternoon. I sure hope none of the authors that are on Literotica use these services to purchase reviews. Though it's not illegal, it is highly questionable, comes down to integrity.

http://indiereader.com/2013/03/why-paying-for-bogus-reviews-makes-you-an-idiot/

 

[lovecraft68]

I agree in principle.

However considering that major publishers pay for reviews even for their top authors I think its a useful marketing ploy.

Unfortunately this is something amazon is using to hurt indie authors, removing 5 star reviews that are "suspect"

Yet of course leaving on star reviews left by people who leave 100 1 star reviews a day that are obviously bogus.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

LIT authors pretty much use alts and friends/family to plump up their stats.

 

[sr71plt]

However considering that major publishers pay for reviews even for their top authors I think its a useful marketing ploy.

Who told you they did? Cite sources on that.

No, it's not ethical. And major publishers don't need to do it with their books.

 

[Stella_Omega]

In the middle of the finger-shaking, some advice;

"For that same $30, you can pay the amazing and hard-working Pandora, owner of Orangeberry Book Tours, who will book you into a month’s worth of high-traffic book blogger blogs and guarantee reviews (though not positive – it is a crapshoot). But that’s a wonderfully effective and ethical option! Plus, it helps your Google ranking and overall exposure.

Or: contact the highly respected San Francisco Book Review (disclosure: I write a monthly column for them, but receive no monetary compensation). They offer a 25% discount on advertising (and they have a HUGE readership) to all indie authors."

http://indiereader.com/2013/03/why-paying-for-bogus-reviews-makes-you-an-idiot/

 

[lovecraft68]

Who told you they did? Cite sources on that.

No, it's not ethical. And major publishers don't need to do it with their books.

See 50 Shades and I'm not joking. Look at the initial surge of "Oh my god the greatest ever" reviews.

Now follow the reviews dated after it hit good morning America and people started really rushing out to buy it. over 2 to one in favor of poor reviews. Wonder why? Maybe because these people weren't being given incentive to say it was good.

I don't have to cite anything its pretty well known, but no way is a publisher ever going to own up to it.

I know a woman who worked for 8 years for Simon and Shuster, they did it all the time. The payment was never documented as "paid review" it was additional services


And when a new horror novel comes out and Stephen King gives a two sentence rave blurb about it, I suppose I'm supposed to believe he received no compensation for that?

Hell even in the comic industry this goes on. When a small indy publisher popped up they solicited fifty store owners around the country to review the issue.

I did it because I thought the comic was decent. 2 weeks after I sent off the review I received a $100 Visa card as a "thank you."

Wake up.

 

[lovecraft68]

In the middle of the finger-shaking, some advice;


http://indiereader.com/2013/03/why-paying-for-bogus-reviews-makes-you-an-idiot/

I get e-mails all the time (and I think they are somehow connected to amazon because I never received them until I started on there) Its a book review service that for the paltry sum of $600+ dollars they will put my book in the hands of x-amount of reviewers around the country.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

See 50 Shades and I'm not joking. Look at the initial surge of "Oh my god the greatest ever" reviews.

Now follow the reviews dated after it hit good morning America and people started really rushing out to buy it. over 2 to one in favor of poor reviews. Wonder why? Maybe because these people weren't being given incentive to say it was good.

I don't have to cite anything its pretty well known, but no way is a publisher ever going to own up to it.

I know a woman who worked for 8 years for Simon and Shuster, they did it all the time. The payment was never documented as "paid review" it was additional services


And when a new horror novel comes out and Stephen King gives a two sentence rave blurb about it, I suppose I'm supposed to believe he received no compensation for that?

Hell even in the comic industry this goes on. When a small indy publisher popped up they solicited fifty store owners around the country to review the issue.

I did it because I thought the comic was decent. 2 weeks after I sent off the review I received a $100 Visa card as a "thank you."

Wake up.

No one advertises goldmines or Rolls Royce.

If my stuff is THAT good it will attract every thief in the world.

 

[sr71plt]

See 50 Shades and I'm not joking. Look at the initial surge of "Oh my god the greatest ever" reviews.

That's not proof the major publishes paid for squat. When a reviewer sees a major publisher is putting a certainl level of promotional campaign to something, they can't wait to slap their endorsement on it.

I don't have to cite anything its pretty well known, but no way is a publisher ever going to own up to it.

Yes, you do, because you don't know a thing about the major publishing industry. You are an e-book self-publisher doing it all by yourself and with a stubborn streak that prevents you from learning much from anyone who does know the business. You have to pick it up by making your own mistakes.

I know a woman who worked for 8 years for Simon and Shuster, they did it all the time. The payment was never documented as "paid review" it was additional services

Bullshit. You an inverterate liar. You're just making up whatever suits your agenda.

 

[sr71plt]

I get e-mails all the time (and I think they are somehow connected to amazon because I never received them until I started on there) Its a book review service that for the paltry sum of $600+ dollars they will put my book in the hands of x-amount of reviewers around the country.

What does that have to do with major publishing? You are an e-book self-publisher. Sure scammmers are going to volunteer to sell you the Brooklyn bridge. That does have anything to do with those in the major publishing world. You proved how naive you were in being willing to pay $100 for your first e-book cover. The scammers saw you coming down the road.

 

[sr71plt]

No one advertises goldmines or Rolls Royce.

If my stuff is THAT good it will attract every thief in the world.

James, James, James. Do I have to give the URL of Rollsy Royce commercials to you again? And goldmines aren't a product, chum.

 

[TxRad]

Some people never learn to listen.

 

[lovecraft68]

Bullshit. You an inverterate liar. You're just making up whatever suits your agenda.

Holy fucking shit!

I have never seen a bigger example of the pot calling the kettle black!

I make up whjat suits my agenda?

Oh, fuck you asshole, lets go back to the copyright thread where when the OP wouldn't agree with you you came out and said you helped write the fucking laws themselves! In fact I am going to quote it right here.

The damning part is that you say(correctly) this copyright question comes up all the time, but yet this is the first we've heard you have "written" the laws. Know why? Because the other guy in the thread was sounding pretty knowledgeable and your lying ass needed to one up him.

here it is so everyone can see it

Rots of ruck with all that. Ed. You have to know how to read governmentesse (I can read this one, because I helped write it).

"You will have to register, however, if you wish to bring a lawsuit for infringement of a U.S. work. See Circular 1, Copyright Basics, section 'Copyright Registration.'”

This is the U.S. government doing its "having your cake and eating it too" extracting the teeth out of the Berne Convention provisions. If you can't take it to court, you ain't got nothing.

And, on the keeping the public from knowing what's archived in public document depositories, perhaps you haven't heard of the Freedom of Information Act.

We have this go around almost monthly on this Web site--which is all so hilarious. What's posted here is posted for free public view. There isn't a court in the land who will touch any copyright issue involved in any of this. The authors gave it up from the getgo.

I don't think anyone would bother to trace it, but, get real, they could if they wanted to.

This is all wishful thinking lalala land.

Now why don;t you cite proof of that one?

Or, hey how about the thread discussing Broadway Musicals where of course you were the lead in major productions?

Why don;t you scan a copy of one of the programs from said production and post it here with your name in the lead role?

Why don't you cite proof of any of your outrageous fucking claims?

I lie to suit my purposes.

Christ if we were in a bar I would not only buy you a drink, but buy the entire place a round and toast you for having the balls to say this.

We're all supposed to think you've done it all in life, but no one is supposed to believe I know a woman from New York that worked for S&S, I mean wow what an outrageous claim that is

You're a tool Pilot a complete and utter tool and you "cite" that point in pretty much every thread you post in.

 

[Stella_Omega]

Those first reviews of 50Shades were totally authentic.

They were written by the women who found the book all on their own, through social networks. Such women tend to read and write with an assumption of goodwill and trust in the writer. They are willing to forgive a lot of writing flaws for the sake of what I might call "common language" and getting off. They weren't reviewing deathless prose, they were reviewing stroke written female style.

And even after the erudite reviewers started pointing out the flaws in the writing, women kept on buying, talking about, sharing the book-- because they didnt care what the reviewers were saying. As it happens, women are kind of used to hearing how their entertainment choices are bad and worthless -- from the same men who fuel the mainstream porn industry with their entertainment dollars.

But... I figure you will never ever shut up about the dispicableness of EL James and her disgusting success that you cannot fathom.

Or about how horrible Pilot is. but you know-- no one needs you to point out Pilot's horribleness, he can show us that himself, and he often does. And you will never be able to show it to him-- nobody can.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

I see that the Usual Suspects are pimping my tales around LIT. I love it. THIS CRAP IS AWFUL! GO READ IT IF YOU DONT BELIEVE ME!

 

[Stella_Omega]

I see that the Usual Suspects are pimping my tales around LIT. I love it. THIS CRAP IS AWFUL! GO READ IT IF YOU DONT BELIEVE ME!

You owe me five bucks for this week's pan.

 

[lovecraft68]

You owe me five bucks for this week's pan.

You're getting $5? Shit James is paying me in tomatoes!

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

You owe me five bucks for this week's pan.

Shit, okay, send me an address to mail your money to!

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

You're getting $5? Shit James is paying me in tomatoes!

Fess up! I'm paying you in pix of PILOTS tits that he sends me.

 

[Stella_Omega]

Shit, okay, send me an address to mail your money to!

Care of the county jail...

 

[lovecraft68]

Fess up! I'm paying you in pix of PILOTS tits that he sends me.

The tomatoes are much smaller, firmer and I'm sure taste better.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Care of the county jail...

I see your new tinfoil hat, did you switch to the GOP?

 

[Stella_Omega]

I see your new tinfoil hat, did you switch to the GOP?

HAH! Good one.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

HAH! Good one.

If you pick up Ann Coulter I'm gonna be so envious I cant stand it.

 

[sr71plt]

Holy fucking shit!

I have never seen a bigger example of the pot calling the kettle black!

I make up whjat suits my agenda?

Oh, fuck you asshole, lets go back to the copyright thread where when the OP wouldn't agree with you you came out and said you helped write the fucking laws themselves! In fact I am going to quote it right here.

The damning part is that you say(correctly) this copyright question comes up all the time, but yet this is the first we've heard you have "written" the laws. Know why? Because the other guy in the thread was sounding pretty knowledgeable and your lying ass needed to one up him.

here it is so everyone can see it



Now why don;t you cite proof of that one?

Or, hey how about the thread discussing Broadway Musicals where of course you were the lead in major productions?

Why don;t you scan a copy of one of the programs from said production and post it here with your name in the lead role?

Why don't you cite proof of any of your outrageous fucking claims?

I lie to suit my purposes.

Christ if we were in a bar I would not only buy you a drink, but buy the entire place a round and toast you for having the balls to say this.

We're all supposed to think you've done it all in life, but no one is supposed to believe I know a woman from New York that worked for S&S, I mean wow what an outrageous claim that is

You're a tool Pilot a complete and utter tool and you "cite" that point in pretty much every thread you post in.

No need to really respond much, as, as usual, you are making up what I posted. The copyright issue you cited wasn't the first time I've mentioned I was on the commission that drew up the U.S. approach to copyright in the wake of signing the Berne Commission--because, well, I was, and I don't give a shit about that being something you can't imagine anyone having done. I've consistently mentioned that for years here in explaining the reality of copyright protection in the United States. The good thing is that folks here--including you--are beginning to understand the limits on their protections. I see you parrot back what I've been saying for years.

And I never said I starred in shows on Broadway. You obviously know nothing about the theater. I was in productions of Broadway shows being performed elsewhere. There's such a thing as a "Broadway musical"--and rights to perform these can be leased by any production group. And again, my having a life and you not being able to imagine anyone having a life outside a comic book store and a warehouse are your problems, not mine.

In both of these cases--and many more--you are the only one who makes any big deal out of them. I think that's because you don't have much of a life and resent anyone who has.

You're just a piece of shit in your obsession with me and I have no reason to react to you any other way.