I had an epiphany about Gor

[Evil_Geoff]

Goreans are to the BDSM community what Klingons are to Science Fiction fandom.

*grins evilly*

And I'll leave that to y'all to interpret.

 

[Chicklet]

omg

houseplants of gor

that's hilarious

*would laugh if she wasn't miserably sick*

 

[Xelebes]

Let me guess, Furries are the J-dubs?

Anyone?

 

[Ms.Breaker]

Dear god, if it were possible I would go back and kill Norman before he could have written those god forsaken books. And gotten Hubbard to cut me in for half on Scientology!

 

[@}-}rebecca----]

omg

houseplants of gor

that's hilarious

*would laugh if she wasn't miserably sick*

click me

 

[Purple Sage]

Nice summations on Gor and Scientology. First off, I'm neither an expert in nor a proponent of either. If I had to choose, however, I'd go with Scientology. Sure, it's a scam, it does nasty things to people who opt out above a certain level, etc, etc. However, having observed quite a few cases of disasters growing out of the reflexive prescription of anti-depressants, mood-levelers, anti-psychotics, etc, I appreciate them taking a stand against the widespread application of these drugs. To be sure, they have their places, but those places are few and far between.
Gor, on the other hand, is the most hideously mysogynist drivel I can ever recall reading- and some of the crappiest writing as well. Mysogyny I could forgive, but the crappy writing...
In fairness, I must admit that L Ron was a pretty crappy writer too... The hell with it, let's start a cult based on the works of P.G. Wodehouse.

 

[brioche]

Nice summations on Gor and Scientology. First off, I'm neither an expert in nor a proponent of either. If I had to choose, however, I'd go with Scientology. Sure, it's a scam, it does nasty things to people who opt out above a certain level, etc, etc. However, having observed quite a few cases of disasters growing out of the reflexive prescription of anti-depressants, mood-levelers, anti-psychotics, etc, I appreciate them taking a stand against the widespread application of these drugs. To be sure, they have their places, but those places are few and far between.
Gor, on the other hand, is the most hideously mysogynist drivel I can ever recall reading- and some of the crappiest writing as well. Mysogyny I could forgive, but the crappy writing...
In fairness, I must admit that L Ron was a pretty crappy writer too... The hell with it, let's start a cult based on the works of P.G. Wodehouse.

Can we worship Hugh Laurie on the side?
First of all, it has now been recognized that SSRIs give chlidren and teenagers suicidal impulses.

As someone who is on anti-depressants even after therapy and cognitive behavioural training I may be biased, but I'm not sure I agree with you. I will agree that they are over-prescribed. However, they do not work on people who don't have depression, as all they do is level out the neurotransmitters in the brain that are below optimal levels in depressive patients. (PMDD does temporarily lower the levels, that's why it helps there.)
If you don't have depressed levels, they don't do jack.
It took me 10 years to find one where I could tolerate the side effects. It's kept me from killing myself.
I just didn't want this thread to become one slamming SSRIs because they do a lot of good as well. They're not a magic pill - nothing in this world is. And they were overprescribed, sure. But their places being few and far between?
They treat depression.
They treat anxiety disorders, from GAD to OCD to social phobia.
They treat PMDD, the incredibly severe form of PMS where you can become psychotic.
They treat bulimia and anorexia.
They have even in some cases helped with IBS.

 

[Purple Sage]

Can we worship Hugh Laurie on the side?
First of all, it has now been recognized that SSRIs give chlidren and teenagers suicidal impulses.

As someone who is on anti-depressants even after therapy and cognitive behavioural training I may be biased, but I'm not sure I agree with you. I will agree that they are over-prescribed. However, they do not work on people who don't have depression, as all they do is level out the neurotransmitters in the brain that are below optimal levels in depressive patients. (PMDD does temporarily lower the levels, that's why it helps there.)
If you don't have depressed levels, they don't do jack.
It took me 10 years to find one where I could tolerate the side effects. It's kept me from killing myself.
I just didn't want this thread to become one slamming SSRIs because they do a lot of good as well. They're not a magic pill - nothing in this world is. And they were overprescribed, sure. But their places being few and far between?
They treat depression.
They treat anxiety disorders, from GAD to OCD to social phobia.
They treat PMDD, the incredibly severe form of PMS where you can become psychotic.
They treat bulimia and anorexia.
They have even in some cases helped with IBS.

Like I said, they have their places, just not very many, IMO. It's true that they treat many disorders, but saying this says nothing about how well they treat them. It's unfortunately true that many cases of these disorders have an extra-cranial etiology- that is, they have a cause outside of the patient's neurochemistry. In many of these instances, leveling out neurotransmitter levels can be exactly the wrong thing to do, because it inhibits the processes of emotional response necessary to fully process these causes and their traumatic impacts.
If, as appears to be your case, these issues are dealt with thoroughly and there remains a legacy (or even a pre-existing condition) of neuro-transmitter imbalance, then pharmacological solutions may be in order. However, in my observation, both patients and doctors have an understandable but unfortunate tendency to leap ahead to this stage.

 

[brioche]

Like I said, they have their places, just not very many, IMO. It's true that they treat many disorders, but saying this says nothing about how well they treat them. It's unfortunately true that many cases of these disorders have an extra-cranial etiology- that is, they have a cause outside of the patient's neurochemistry. In many of these instances, leveling out neurotransmitter levels can be exactly the wrong thing to do, because it inhibits the processes of emotional response necessary to fully process these causes and their traumatic impacts.
If, as appears to be your case, these issues are dealt with thoroughly and there remains a legacy (or even a pre-existing condition) of neuro-transmitter imbalance, then pharmacological solutions may be in order. However, in my observation, both patients and doctors have an understandable but unfortunate tendency to leap ahead to this stage.

I see what you are saying and I respect your opinion.
I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree on this one.

 

[Evil_Geoff]

SSRI's of Gor, anyone???

 

[Xelebes]

SSRI's of Gor, anyone???

Anti-pheremones.

I think CN would do the trick.

 

[rosco rathbone]

I'd rather live in John Norman's world than Elron Hubbard's.

 

[Ms.Breaker]

I'd rather live in John Norman's world than Elron Hubbard's.

LOL. I would rather live in the world we have. Neither Norman's or Hubbard's worlds thrill me.

 

[ghosst_K&H]

Karen, Holly, and my experience with Gor, and a Gorean couple has left a bitter taste for Gor in all of us. Granted that was one couple, and one event, but being a male submissive, who won't bow down to a male Dom, Gor is not for me.

I'm suprised that Callista hasn't weighed in on the subject, seeing how she's a trained Kajira (Gorean sex slave).

 

[chris9]

Karen, Holly, and my experience with Gor, and a Gorean couple has left a bitter taste for Gor in all of us. Granted that was one couple, and one event, but being a male submissive, who won't bow down to a male Dom, Gor is not for me.

I'm suprised that Callista hasn't weighed in on the subject, seeing how she's a trained Kajira (Gorean sex slave).

It's ugly when one set of people sees their way of anything as the only one and expects everyone to behave like them. As long as 'they' (whoever they are) keep their stuff to themselves, don't respect or value me any less because I'm not of their group and respect other choices or ways as they want to be respected, they can do whatever they want.
It's the 'true' BDSM again. Anybody here could tell anybody else that they are no 'true' PYLs/pyls if they don't behave in a certain way. Or we could all talk about how we see us and our BDSM and learn.
So there are some arrogant/ignorant Gorean masters and slaves around. There are also many arrogant/ignorant non-Gorean BDSM people around. And until proven wrong I will believe (in dubio pro reo) that in general Gor and non-Gor BDSM folks are open and want to learn and are good and all that.

 

[DVS]

It’s the Scientology of BDSM.

They both come from fictional books
They both have marginal followings
They both have bunches of rituals
They both are generally mocked even though most people know little about them

Boy…I hope Katie Jones is okay

Don't you mean Katie Holmes...now probably renamed Katie Holmes Cruise?

 

[brioche]

Don't you mean Katie Holmes...now probably renamed Katie Holmes Cruise?

That whole relationship squicks me. I don't, as a habit, make decisions about other peoples' relationships, but that one...oh man.

Don't get me started.

 

[Kajira Callista]

Karen, Holly, and my experience with Gor, and a Gorean couple has left a bitter taste for Gor in all of us. Granted that was one couple, and one event, but being a male submissive, who won't bow down to a male Dom, Gor is not for me.

I'm suprised that Callista hasn't weighed in on the subject, seeing how she's a trained Kajira (Gorean sex slave).

Gorean in real life and Gorean online IMO are two different things completely. BTW most r/l Groean Masters dont shove their beliefs down others throats and are very respectful of other Dominants and their subs and the way they do things. Im sure there are a few that are not so nice and im sorry you ran into a couple of them.

 

[Evil_Geoff]

Gorean in real life and Gorean online IMO are two different things completely. BTW most r/l Groean Masters dont shove their beliefs down others throats and are very respectful of other Dominants and their subs and the way they do things. Im sure there are a few that are not so nice and im sorry you ran into a couple of them.

Goreans, like any other people, run the entire spectrum of humanity, from saints to sinners. Personally though... If I were going to adopt a fictional society from which to model a philosophy, I would be a Melnibonean. For those of you not familiar with Melnibone`, I point you towards the work of Michael Moorcock and his Elric Saga.

*evil sadistic grin*

Gotta love a society where torture is considered an art form.

 

[@}-}rebecca----]

Gotta love a society where torture is considered an art form.

I just had a three panel piece from memory by Francis Bacon flash before my eyes then, its ten years since I saw it ITF ~ made that up In The Flesh ~ Evil Geoff Sir not so sure I like you any more....... ​

 

[Evil_Geoff]

Bit of movie trivia here.... one of my favorite movie quotes, in fact. Who said:

"If you hurt the broad, I have things planned that'll take 100 years to kill you, and have you screaming for mercy in the first 5 seconds."

*shivvers* Now THAT's my idea of a scene!

Bonus points if you remember the movie and director....

 

[Purple Sage]

Can we worship Hugh Laurie on the side?

I've been giving this some thought. I think what we need is a new genre: Wodehousian Porn.

 

[brioche]

I've been giving this some thought. I think what we need is a new genre: Wodehousian Porn.

I just bought the Jeeves and Wooster DVDs on eBay . I wasn't thinking about it but then Sunday night the very first episode, which I'd never seen, was on the publicly supported channel, and any show that inspires such delight in me has to be bought. Besides, I like not having the commercials.
I like him in House, too, though he's pretty much the antithesis of Wooster. Older, educated, possessing both a brain and sarcastic wit...
Heh, my dad HATES me sometimes because I keep track of the shows my mum and I like and show up for them. See, he travels a lot and is used to picking what HE wants to watch...
Me: "Oooh. It's 8. Global."
Him: "And what's on Global pray tell?"
Me: "House."
Him:"Well let's just see what else in on." (puts on the prevue channel)
Mum:"Put on Global. I like House."
He thought buying me my own TV and paying for cable would get rid of me, but mum always complains if I don't "come out of my cave" (room) at least once a night.

Wodehousian porn? Not if it's slash. Somehow, having Jeeves and Wooster getting it on is not something I want to see.

"(orgasmic moans) I say, Jeeves!"
"(ditto) Quite, sir."

 

[Purple Sage]

Wodehousian porn? Not if it's slash. Somehow, having Jeeves and Wooster getting it on is not something I want to see.

"(orgasmic moans) I say, Jeeves!"
"(ditto) Quite, sir."

Well, there's more to Wodehouse than Jeeves and Wooster. Sixty-some books more. The Wooster character has such an aversion to romance that he doesn't seem a good candidate for porn (unless, as you imply, he's gay). And it would tend to be funny rather than erotic- but perhaps it could be both. I think the really hard part (so to speak) would be to have a plot of Wodehousian complexity in a porn context. Stealing pigs just doesn't do it for me...

 

[brioche]

Well, there's more to Wodehouse than Jeeves and Wooster. Sixty-some books more. The Wooster character has such an aversion to romance that he doesn't seem a good candidate for porn (unless, as you imply, he's gay). And it would tend to be funny rather than erotic- but perhaps it could be both. I think the really hard part (so to speak) would be to have a plot of Wodehousian complexity in a porn context. Stealing pigs just doesn't do it for me...

Mmm. True. I'll have to check out Wodehouse again.