I don't get it ~

[Az_You_Wish]

While I realize that this is a public forum and all are welcome, I do have a few things to say.

I think that bb's that are made for specific reasons, ie: the GLBT bb or BDSM Talk as an example should not be used as ways to jab at someones lifestyle and Why such rudeness from those against this lifestyle is allowed. No they may not of "Broken" any of the rules that are written for this place by disagreeing with us, however I think since there is no rule for this, that it should be common sense, common courtesy to not do such things However, since it's obvious some lack those qualities, greatly, that support bb's such as this should have some sort of rule against ppl comming here and debating or saying how disgusting, wrong, whatever the disagreement may be on a certain life style, or belief & causing feathers to ruffle.

There's a general bb and a chat area, take your arguing opinions over there! I just don't see why they should be welcomed on a bb such as this, or tolerated until they've "broken" a rule.

Perhaps I'm missing the point of this bb and if I am I appologize, but from what I can see, it is a support bb, a place to meet others who share common interests. Not a debate bb, not a misc. topic bb. But a place for Gays, lesbians, bi-sexuals, Transvestites and the likes to enjoy one anothers company.

*shrugs*

I was really happy to of found a place to air my thoughts and to hopefully get to know some ppl, but am disapointed and turned off by some of the things allowed here. Would be nice if we could rid of things such as this, and if there's a need to debate encourage it on bb's such as the general topic bb. We get enough crap from society, would be great if we could enjoy this place w/out having how wrong we are shoved in our faces.

 

[Queersetti]

I think we have to be very careful as to how we handle this issue.

I believe we ought to be open to challenge on any issue, as long as it is presented in a way that does not disrespect us, or inflame hatred against us. When such a challenge takes the form of irresponsible attacks, however, we have the right to not be subjected to that sort of behavior in our own forum.

 

[Pookie]

I agree with Q. I don't mind debating issues with people that aren't using it as a means of bashing the GLBT community. I feel like Etoile and Q have done a wonderful job of allowing certain threads to go on, even though the thread starters were known homophobes. They've appropriately removed those that did violate the rules, as needed.

 

[Az_You_Wish]

I'm not saying that Etoile and Q haven't done a good job From what I've seen of Etoile the last few days I've been impressed w/ how she kept her cool.

I just thought this was a support bb ~ and thinking such, I thought it was a bit turn off'ish to allow ppl to come here and debate how gross & wrong we are.

Granted if most are fine with this, I don't have a problem with that. But it seems quite a few aren't okay w/ it, and it is something, obviously that bugs me, so I thought I would see what others views are on this.

Edited for spelling erros.

 

[Az_You_Wish]

I also wanted to add that I don't want to cause a fuss or argument, or give the bb hosts something else to worry about, I've been a host on another site for about 7yrs now, so I know it can be a tuff job sometimes, keeping the peace n' all.. It's just that the the debating of weather were wrong or not just gets old. Especially on bb's such as this ~ I guess I just wish I could find somewhere to post w/out having to see arguments from ppl who are adamantly against us.

 

[Pookie]

I'm not saying that Etoile and Q haven't done a good job From what I've seen of Etoile the last few days I've been impressed w/ how she kept her cool.

I just thought this was a support bb ~ and thinking such, I thought it was a bit turn off'ish to allow ppl to come here and debate how gross & wrong we are.

Granted if most are fine with this, I don't have a problem with that. But it seems quite a few aren't okay w/ it, and it is something, obviously that bugs me, so I thought I would see what others views are on this.

Edited for spelling erros.

I'm not fine with allowing anyone to debate how "gross & wrong" we are. I think Etoile tried to allow the d8rape thread to exist as long as she could before it was beyond any hope for any reasonable debate with him. She and Q have quickly removed threads in the past that were pure bashing, beginning with the very first post.

There are legitimate issues that may get debated that may not always be flattering for the GLBT community. It's the manner in which the posters debate the issue at hand that matters the most though ... IMO.

 

[Pookie]

I also wanted to add that I don't want to cause a fuss or argument, or give the bb hosts something else to worry about, I've been a host on another site for about 7yrs now, so I know it can be a tuff job sometimes, keeping the peace n' all.. It's just that the the debating of weather were wrong or not just gets old. Especially on bb's such as this ~ I guess I just wish I could find somewhere to post w/out having to see arguments from ppl who are adamantly against us.

Fussing is good for the soul. But seriously, I know where you're coming from with this.

 

[Az_You_Wish]

Fussing is good for the soul. But seriously, I know where you're coming from with this.

lol it can be!!!

It's the manner in which the posters debate the issue at hand that matters the most though ... IMO.

Compteltley agree. I'm a huge debater, have been for years and did a lot of it during my school years. So it's not the fact that things are being discussed, it's just where their being discussed that I suppose I dislike.

Granted I'll get over it LOL

 

[thickspear]

well....these subjects are poorly understood.. there are trolls that want to start trouble as well as people who are new and trying to understand...

but no one should think that trouble doesn't or shouldn't be a part of the process because there isn't a saint that hasn't caused fear among some people...or bastards that haven't pleased others..

but it's always possible to ignore the asses among us and reduce the occaisional vitriol and stress at the same time

ts

 

[Mikijl Dragon]

Ahh common sense, the least common of all.

I agree that trolls should not be welcome but until one identifies themselves as such its a hard line to draw between letting the free flow of ideas abound and limiting something to only a few find acceptable.

Sometimes you have to take a little bad with a whole lot of good. I have found a great place to chitchat and a lot of nice people here. I would not allow one little board troll to turn me away from this great community and you shouldn't either.

::::HUG::::

 

[Az_You_Wish]

oohh I'm here for good darlin! ^^Squeeze^^

Also for the previous poster .. you pointed out something that I didn't take into account and that's that these kinds of things are often poorly understood! You are so right hun!

Edited b/c I can't spell worth a damn when I've a half a bottle of mead in me! lol

 

[John Doe]

I agree with Queersetti and Pookie, although I feel compelled to express it more bluntly as I am wont to do, but especially since I am a staunch advocate for freedom of speech...but I digress.

I think it's just unreasonable to censor or exile someone to a different board simply because they have opinions that differ from yours and you happen to be homosexual, bisexual or whatever.

Or that we should ban certain people (i.e. "straight" people from this forum) because "we get enough crap from society." That IMO is tantamount to saying I should be punished because I am white (or that's all you can tell by looking) and there's an off-chance a few of my ancestors owned African slaves (highly unlikely, because my white ancestors were less than affluent and I doubt any of my American Aboriginal ancestors owned any African slaves either)...but I digress AGAIN. Sorry...

Anyway, there are already rules in place against homophobic comments and other blatantly bigoted comments in an effort to make it a more pleasant environment. That is enough regulation IMO.

 

[Queersetti]

I'm not saying that Etoile and Q haven't done a good job From what I've seen of Etoile the last few days I've been impressed w/ how she kept her cool.

I just thought this was a support bb ~ and thinking such, I thought it was a bit turn off'ish to allow ppl to come here and debate how gross & wrong we are.

Granted if most are fine with this, I don't have a problem with that. But it seems quite a few aren't okay w/ it, and it is something, obviously that bugs me, so I thought I would see what others views are on this.

Edited for spelling erros.

The fact that we are a small part of a much biggest posting community means that we will always have a high number of people wandering in, many supportive. most probably just curious, but unfortunately, a few who are hostile. We deal with it the best we can. I am glad that you won't let it deter you from participating. The best way to deal with negative voices is to respond with positive ones.

 

[Queersetti]

I agree with Queersetti and Pookie, although I feel compelled to express it more bluntly as I am wont to do, but especially since I am a staunch advocate for freedom of speech...but I digress.

I think it's just unreasonable to censor or exile someone to a different board simply because they have opinions that differ from yours and you happen to be homosexual, bisexual or whatever.

Or that we should ban certain people (i.e. "straight" people from this forum) because "we get enough crap from society." That IMO is tantamount to saying I should be punished because I am white (or that's all you can tell by looking) and there's an off-chance a few of my ancestors owned African slaves (highly unlikely, because my white ancestors were less than affluent and I doubt any of my American Aboriginal ancestors owned any African slaves either)...but I digress AGAIN. Sorry...

Anyway, there are already rules in place against homophobic comments and other blatantly bigoted comments in an effort to make it a more pleasant environment. That is enough regulation IMO.

Just to make sure everyone understands, the moderators can not ban or block anyone from posting here.

I have edited out a few posts in the last couple of days, not because of who made them, but because, in my judgment, they violated the forum rules. I would remind everyone that in every post there is a link to send an alert to the moderators if you think the post is in violation. Please don't be hesitant to use it, we appreciate your help.

 

[Az_You_Wish]

I do see your point on freedom of speach, but it wont stop me from wanting ppl to be respectful of each other, nor my opinon on this I don't think that's taking someones freedom of speech away, it's simply saying, on bb's such as this, please be respectful to others, if you want to debate please take it to the app. bb's.

 

[John Doe]

Just to make sure everyone understands, the moderators can not ban or block anyone from posting here.

I have edited out a few posts in the last couple of days, not because of who made them, but because, in my judgment, they violated the forum rules. I would remind everyone that in every post there is a link to send an alert to the moderators if you think the post is in violation. Please don't be hesitant to use it, we appreciate your help.

I know they can't.

I know about the link and I have let many posts go unreported because I know that nothing would be done due to the fact that I'd be the one making the report.

 

[Kneeleon4's]

I know they can't.

I know about the link and I have let many posts go unreported because I know that nothing would be done due to the fact that I'd be the one making the report.

 

[yaspis]

I do think that this forum should be open to anyone, including those who disagree with our chosen lifestyles. Even known hobophobes should be heard, instead of just listened because they're known for their attitudes. I wouldn't judge them or kick them out unless they start and feed a flame war.

After all, one should question everything, but present the questions with consideration and good manners. No progress is made without questioning, and I believe questioning things is learning about others and self. I'm not saying that some sort of third degree interviews should be allowed, but when questioning isn't allowed, things get ugly. GLBT people have the right to criticise heteroes (again, with consideration and good manners) - why shouldn't the straight people have the same right?

I hope I made some sense, I have a flu with fever and feel a wee bit dizzy.

 

[south_florida_bicur]

I'm not fine with allowing anyone to debate how "gross & wrong" we are. I think Etoile tried to allow the d8rape thread to exist as long as she could before it was beyond any hope for any reasonable debate with him. She and Q have quickly removed threads in the past that were pure bashing, beginning with the very first post.

There are legitimate issues that may get debated that may not always be flattering for the GLBT community. It's the manner in which the posters debate the issue at hand that matters the most though ... IMO.


my 2 cents. i do think they have done a great job but what makes this board better then others (not necessarily on LIT) is that they are writers / posters just like the rest of us. They aren't dictators.

That guy d8rape created a thread that bashes everyone that were gay or bi or just curious. someone asked Etoile if she can close it and she said no because it wasnt wrong for what he was saying it was just his opinion. i totally agreed with that comment but later it got even worse. i did email her telling her that it was getting out of control. he will change his nick (like hes done in the past) and create a new thread and start this crap all over again.

again, this is my 2 cents and i think you moderators are doing a great job. you make LIT fun.

keep up the good work!


hey, is anyone else getting turned on by POOKIES av ?...lol

 

[oo0_boo_0oo]

hey, is anyone else getting turned on by POOKIES av ?...lol

 

[Pookie]

hey, is anyone else getting turned on by POOKIES av ?...lol

 

[69forever]

well....these subjects are poorly understood.. there are trolls that want to start trouble as well as people who are new and trying to understand...

but no one should think that trouble doesn't or shouldn't be a part of the process because there isn't a saint that hasn't caused fear among some people...or bastards that haven't pleased others..

but it's always possible to ignore the asses among us and reduce the occaisional vitriol and stress at the same time

ts

I agree totally ts. It reminds me of first coming here, being Bi and trying to sort out where that put me socially. Never having had an open forum to honestly discuss my feelings, I kind of blundered about. Pookie and I went head to head for awhile, until we understood that it was more semantics and me trying to sort things out in my own mind, than being antagonistic.

Sinse then I have many dear and close friends here. There are a lot of phonies and pretenders who want to get off on the attention garnered by causing trouble. We'll have that in any open public forum. I agree with ~Q~ and Pookie as well though that we cann't be guilty of banning any dissent. It is in open debate of issues that we shine, because our humanity will win every time.

You just have to be able to glean the wheat from the chaff....IMO

 

[69forever]

hey, is anyone else getting turned on by POOKIES av ?...lol

Ahhh, that and the poster as well....always!

 

[Etoile]

I know about the link and I have let many posts go unreported because I know that nothing would be done due to the fact that I'd be the one making the report.

All reported posts are considered seriously, regardless of who is making the report.

 

[Pookie]

Ahhh, that and the poster as well....always!

Thanks.