I can finally justify buyinga a TiVo!
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Spinaroonie
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Too bad it's about to be outlawed.
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Bob Peale said:
*drools* oh sorry.. Did you say something
Missed you and that chest.. 
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sd412 said:
What do you base this on?
Bob, did you know you can do wish lists on TiVo? All you have to do is type in the movie name, or your favorite actors or directors and TiVo will search and record when it finds them. Very cool.
It's totally changed the way we watch TV. We almost never watch anything in real time anymore. We watch when we feel like watching, not necessarily when the show is on.
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sd412 said:
TiVo is embroiled in a patent dispute with SONICBlue - it's not going to be outlawed. In the worst case, TiVo as a company will go away, but the technology isn't going anywhere. In fact, the claim is that it's IDENTICAL to a patent already in production.
As for CPDPTA, it's still a LONG way from passage, and would not be retroactive - they will not take away existing machines; at worst, they just would not produce new ones.
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Rubyfruit said:
The CBDTPA Bill.
TiVo qualifies as a computer under an obscure 1934 bill and it's only use is to violate copyright. THerefore, the bill passes, it's illegal.
The VCR, on the other hand, does NOT qualify and is therefore legal.
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sd412 said:
Copyright bill universally rejected
Reuters News Agency
Washington ā A digital-copyright bill introduced in the U.S. Senate last month has inspired howls of protest from consumers and high-tech firms who say it could slow technological advances and dictate how consumers listen to music or watch videos at home.
Well connected lobbyists and everyday users alike have flooded Congress with faxes and e-mail over the past several weeks to lodge complaints against the bill, which would prevent new computers, CD players and other consumer-electronics devices from playing unauthorized movies, music and other digital media files.
Sen. Ernest Hollings' bill is backed by media firms such as The Walt Disney Co. These companies fear fast Internet connections and an array of digital devices such as MP3 players and CD burners will encourage consumers to seek free copies of hit singles and new movies.
The South Carolina Democrat has said he introduced the bill to encourage media and technology firms to work together to stop digital piracy.
Instead, it has inspired a flurry of criticism.
A grass-roots group called DigitalConsumer.org, which did not exist a month ago, claims to have signed up 24,000 members who have sent off 80,000 faxes to their elected representatives.
The Senate Judiciary Committee, which has also held hearings on the issue, has received more than 3,500 comments criticizing the bill, a spokeswoman said.
"We haven't received one e-mail in support of the Hollings bill," said Judiciary Committee spokeswoman Mimi Devlin. "It seems like there's a groundswell of support from regular users."
High-tech lobbying groups have weighed in as well, arguing that mandatory copyright-protection technologies would hurt their ability to innovate, and would encourage consumers to hold on to their older computers rather than buy new models that restricted their activities.
In testimony before Sen. Hollings' Commerce and Science Committee last month, Disney Chairman and CEO Michael Eisner accused technology firms such as Intel Corp. of profiting from digital piracy, and said they were not interested in working out a way to stop the problem.
Technology firms did not want to testify in the hearing, did not offer input while the bill was being drafted, and have offered plenty of criticism but little helpful suggestions since, a Hollings aide said.
"They seem satisfied to try to attack it in the press rather than trying to make it work," said Sen. Hollings spokesman Andy Davis.
Joe Krauss, head of the grassroots group DigitalConsumer.org, said his members have offered plenty of constructive suggestions.
For example, the group has called for a law that would specifically spell out consumers' "fair use" rights, such as the right to record TV shows for later viewing, or transfer a CD to a portable MP3 player.
"Until you have a positive assertion of what consumers' rights are, that debate is left in the hands of media companies' lawyers," said Mr. Krauss, who founded Excite, the now-defunct on-line portal.
Media firms could also take a page from the antipiracy playbook of software companies, who concentrate on shutting down large, commercial piracy operations rather than trying to control individual users, he said.
The Hollings bill also faces opposition from Vermont Democratic Sen. Patrick Leahy, whose Judiciary Committee handles copyright issues.
While the Commerce Committee has primary control over the bill, it will be difficult to pass without the co-operation of Sen. Leahy and other Judiciary Committee members, staffers from both committees said.
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sd412 said:
How does it violate copyright? It's entirely possible that i'm an idiot, but my understanding of copyright is that as long as you're recording for private viewing in your own home, there's no infringement.
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Bob Peale said:
Yes, I read this when it was /.'d. It doesn't mean victory. It just means that a select group of people are voting no. Yes, they've been getting negative comments from people, but if Congress always did what the people wanted, we wouldn't have nearly as many problems as we do today.
TiVo would be illegal, but you're right, they wouldn't stomp down your door... They'd simpley stop the service.
