I am going to be in trouble

[WillowPuss]

I have just done something that I should not have done.

I have just let my emotions and temper get the better of me.

I lashed out.


Why?
Because this place that I care so much about, the place where I found acceptance, where I could learn safely from real people about real experiences, has been watered down to such an extent that it hardly exists anymore.

I logged on this morning as I usually do ... and on the first page there were just seven threads that were actually about real BDSM topics. Just seven that might expand my learning a little - a mere seven.

Fot those among us who are trying so hard to keep this place real and on target ... thank you from the bottom of my heart.

For those of you who want there forum a weak and watery place - I wish you well. I hope it fullfills your needs. I am sorry - but it just doesn't fullfill mine.

I will now go back ... trying hard to pick conversations and threads I can post to with thought and intelligence. I have no wish to banter semi-vieled comments with anyone. I have no inclination to flirt with anyone - I wouldn't dare to be so disrespectful of my relationship. I will try to continue to have fun with my friends ... but it seems a really empty hollow place suddenly.


I will show Master this thread tonight - and also show him the other posts I made. I do not expect He will be pleased - and must accept the consequences of my actions.


<rant over>

 

[lilfrk]

You're human Willow. It happens to all of us that have true emotions.

I'd like to tell you that this is just a cycle and that it will be gone soon. But I don't think it is. Slowly it has been getting worse for me here. I don't feel safe really posting personal things here. I'm afraid that I'll get jumped for not saying the right thing to the right person. Or that I'll be told to seek counseling again.

I'd also like to tell you that maybe some people don't realize just how hurtful they are. But I don't think that is so either.

My other problem is that a lot of the people I looked up to here for knowledge are gone or lurking.

 

[DRxBlue]

i hope you wont...

i can't imagine that your Robuck would punish you for loving something so much. He hasn't punished you for loving your children i'll bet.

If you were to watch this place turn into the kind of place where you no longer feel comfortable, a place where you can't open your heart to talk about things that really matter to you. If you saw that happening and did NOTHING, that might be grounds for punishment.

You're quite right to try and defend something you have loved quite openly since you first got here. It may be that the things you loved the most have become pretty scarce with the recent influx of people who naver had any intention of "discussing real life BDSM".

We have caught a glimpse of a better place, and i think somehow we'll find it.

Until then "Let the Rat Bastards Have It! Both Barrels!" If there are punishments necessary, opt for the new paddle.

i'll be sniping from the trees...at night,
Blue

 

[Trainerman]

I have just done something that I should not have done.

I have just let my emotions and temper get the better of me.

I lashed out.


Why?
Because this place that I care so much about, the place where I found acceptance, where I could learn safely from real people about real experiences, has been watered down to such an extent that it hardly exists anymore.

I logged on this morning as I usually do ... and on the first page there were just seven threads that were actually about real BDSM topics. Just seven that might expand my learning a little - a mere seven.

Fot those among us who are trying so hard to keep this place real and on target ... thank you from the bottom of my heart.


I will now go back ... trying hard to pick conversations and threads I can post to with thought and intelligence.

Okay, Willow. I take your point. Give me your honest opinion on this then please :-

I am online briefly, but should be back for a longer session in around 9 hours or so. It was my intention to then put three new threads up. One is serious..with regard to tolerance (!!..am I a little late with that one ?? !!). The other two are 'fluff'...humerous and not deep at all.

Would it be your thought that the humerous ones are not appropriate ? Would their presence actually irritate or depress you?

Let's be clear....your honest opinion (or anyone else's) will not cause any sort of a flame war or disagreement with me. I invite opinion and will respect it as such.

Thank you

Dave

 

[MissTaken]

An unvited response to Sir to k's question

Fluff can be good and can alleviate tension.

I don't believe it is fluff threads that are causing a sense of malaise among some of us.

It is simply that it seems every thread becomes a fluff thread. It can be difficult to engage in meaningful conversation or share a bit of ourselves if we are risking the the receipt of sarcastic replies in, what is for us, a very serious and heart felt discussion.

Some here, seem to think that others of us take this way too seriously. Perhaps in their eyes, we do.

As I chose not read too many of the flame or sarcastic threads, I would suggest they stay out of the serious, friendship and support threads if they find them distasteful.

it is too bad, because those who offer the most unsettling remarks do have an ability to share and provide good information, if they chose to.

Oh well...just my two cents

 

[WillowPuss]

Dave,

thanks for your post.

I like fun.
I quite like fluff.

What troubles me is totally inappropriate behaviour, nasty comments, and flames at every opportunity.

What troubles me are people professing to be 'real' and then acting in a manner that shows blatant disrespect for the lifestyle - with self professed submissives blatantly flirting with any one that comes along.
It is offensive to me when i see it weaken the belief in their understanding of submission and pride.
When every single meaning ful discussion is turned into a farce.

That is what I was trying to hint at - to explain.
There are lots of threads on which there is fun, many of which I have been a contributer ... but when threads turn into a two-way "who shall I fuck today" kind of thing ... then I would sooner it be taken elsewhere. To one of the other forums where such posts are the norm, where they are welcome by all who go there.

I came to this place to learn and share.
I would dearly love it to return to a place where 85% of the threads did just that.
Where those brand new to the life could gain valuable information ... and not be poked fun at, derided and made to feel a freak for daring to ask questions.
Where people with experience were not afraid to open up and share ... and not be poked fun at, derided and made to feel a freak for daring to answer questions with honesty and reality.




Dave - I am sorry - this turned into another rant.
It is not directed at you personally, and I apologise if it seems that way.

 

[Persephone36]

Dave,

thanks for your post.

I like fun.
I quite like fluff.

What troubles me is totally inappropriate behaviour, nasty comments, and flames at every opportunity.

What troubles me are people professing to be 'real' and then acting in a manner that shows blatant disrespect for the lifestyle - with self professed submissives blatantly flirting with any one that comes along.
It is offensive to me when i see it weaken the belief in their understanding of submission and pride.
When every single meaning ful discussion is turned into a farce.

That is what I was trying to hint at - to explain.
There are lots of threads on which there is fun, many of which I have been a contributer ... but when threads turn into a two-way "who shall I fuck today" kind of thing ... then I would sooner it be taken elsewhere. To one of the other forums where such posts are the norm, where they are welcome by all who go there.

I came to this place to learn and share.
I would dearly love it to return to a place where 85% of the threads did just that.
Where those brand new to the life could gain valuable information ... and not be poked fun at, derided and made to feel a freak for daring to ask questions.
Where people with experience were not afraid to open up and share ... and not be poked fun at, derided and made to feel a freak for daring to answer questions with honesty and reality.




Dave - I am sorry - this turned into another rant.
It is not directed at you personally, and I apologise if it seems that way.

**edited: because I hit send without including my note!***

Willow,

If you don't mind me replying. I honestly don't think you're ranting at all. You are being very clear, and so thoughtful and intelligent and you're speaking straight from your heart.

I personally think it's just a good thing sometimes to assert what you believe in -- and everything you wish for this place to be and what it has been for you -- are all incredibly positive things!

I have so much respect for you -- I've always enjoyed reading whatever you have written.

(And coincedently last night, I found one of your stories! And er, shared it...with someone. *wink, wink, nudge, nudge* We enjoyed it! I just wanted to throw that in to give you a lift, and the fact is -- it's true!)

I hope you stay around Willow, I always gleen a lot from you. Even if I'm in a very different place -- you're someone I just am always happy to see here.

I here and understand your frustration -- but I want you to know that you're appreciated. Even if the board is small right now, be patient. Perhaps right now -- this board may not be as much for you to learn from as for *you* to help and teach some newer people.

It's just a thought -- many members who care here are all talking about how much they want to keep learning, and how frustrated they are. But I think they forget, that's it not all about what you can get out of it as that it's also what you give to others. That just sharing of themselves in intelligent conversation is a learning process and that maybe much of what they're sharing right now is helping newer people to the experience.

Anyway, keep your chin up, Willow.

Perse

 

[DRxBlue]

Fluff is FINE!

The only reason fluff kind bothers some who have been here a while, is that there's so little choice between the fluff and the flames.

There were always gripe threads and just plain fun threads here, but there were also a rainbow of threads from people just starting to explore, people celebrating milestones, people in crises needing advice.

People used to be a LOT more willing to open and share their lives. The continual wailing about "indoctrination, suppression and censorship" as well as the ridicule aimed at "the hugs, the feelings and the estrogen conspiracy" have clamped people up to the point where none of that happens any more.

You, Miss T, have been a miracle. You remind me of the USO in WWII. But they couldn't stop the war either. The lighter side is still here, but there's something which won't be coming back. That's what Willow seems to be "mourning". i am.

The gawkers lined up around the "Shit Pile" have no interest in anything this forum was invented for, but they got "freedom of SPEECH".

A hard won freedom it was too "It was paid for in blood from posters like artful, sandia, piercedboy, and Sir Lancelot" to quote WriterDom.

Let them enjoy the heady new scent of victory! i can still have fun around here. Thing is, these assholes don't even CARE if you piss on their Wheaties!

Love ya, Miss T,
Blue

 

[cellis]

Willow, I think I know how you feel. I have watched this forum change tremendously in the past few months and sometimes not for the better.

I have avoided posters and a lot of times no longer come here everyday because I cannot stand some of the threads and posts. It is disheartening to see this happen to something that was my safe haven.

I understand Lilfrk about not feeling safe about posting personal information here for fear of being blasted or flame. For me I am going to continue to post to those things that interest me. I am not going to feed into all the negativity around here.

There are always going to be those who will disagree with what I have to say and that is ok. It is their right to voice their opinions. I can take what I need and leave the rest.

And Blue Darlin.... could you load up one of those shot guns for me... I am pretty good shot!

 

[lovetoread]

I would like to put in that maybe some of us "self professed subs" have the freaking permission to flirt?

Or is that fact not on your radar?

You are doing it again. What has always been the case with this board.

Telling people that if they are not doing or living the bdsm lifestyle you are then they are wrong.

Do it my way,or else you are not welcome.

It is the freaking reason I stayed away from this place.

You have no right to tell me that what I live is not true.

I like Lance,he is cool in my book. He is the reason I started reading the threads on this board again.

He brought this place to life. Before it was a just a handful of the "right" people supporting each other.

It was not for everyone.

edited cause I failed english class

 

[Persephone36]

Re: Fluff is FINE!

You, Miss T, have been a miracle. You remind me of the USO in WWII. But they couldn't stop the war either. The lighter side is still here, but there's something which won't be coming back. That's what Willow seems to be "mourning". i am.

Hey Blue,

Haven't seen you around in a while. Nice to see you.

I agree -- MissT carries on, always -- in the spirit of openness and encouragement -- to *all* That's why she is one of the people who make this a great board.

But I disagree with you that there is something here that won't be coming back.

Blue, that's so defeatist! How can you say that experienced helpful people won't be coming back! Or better yet -- that they may return -- but that other people, new members, experienced intelligent will be encouraged to participate!

If people want intelligent threads -- then they should start the kind of ones they want!

I don't care if someone's a sub/Dom/me or switch. It's passivity that makes the board lose the threads that people enjoy!

How lazy for people to think that they don't have to start the kind of new threads they want because they want cym to do it or Shadowsdream -- or name the person one feels is experienced and a great teacher.

We're all in it together. I understand people feeling disheartened.

But -- then *DO* something about it!!

Time to start beginning threads with questions or thoughts that engage you or Willow -- or whomever -- instead of sitting back and waiting for a small handful of others to do it.

Everyone has responsibility. So, if you or anyone looks at the threads and says there are none that speak to them -- then *start some that do*

My two cents. (And you know I think you're great, lol.)

Perse

 

[DRxBlue]

Actually lovetoread just made a VERY excellent point

Things over here WERE "exclusive"! They were "play by the rules in this sticky or go someplace else". That WAS the point! cym constructed the place to be exactly what it was.

And lovetoread, i've enjoyed your posts immensely since i first got to the GB. i think you have every right to get what you want.

The problem started when people decided "we want to do things differently" then decided "we want to do them HERE! at the BDSM Chat forum".

There's nothing wrong with what you want to do, but THIS BDSM forum was SPECIFICALLY DESIGNED to NOT be what you are looking for.

For all our "new neighbors" who come in and say "this is WRONG"... "you can't be like this ANY MORE"... "Why don't the MODERATORS protect ME when I break the rules, and just look at them CRACK DOWN on my friend who was just..."...
....
For all those people...have fun!

i pissed in your Wheaties... Have a nice day in the Shit Pile

i ain't goin' away again though, this could be fun. We can create another place where we can have what we want...but from now on, fill a pie plate with manure...aim for the face.

That's my recipe for dealing with strees.

Blue

 

[Mr Wolf]

I must confess to not having posted here for sometime, the last time being Spanking as a Child Thread. The reason I stopped posting written views/comments is, that to be quite blunt, very few topics have been posted that I wish to comment on.
It also saddens me to see long term posters leaving/stopping posting on this Forum even if I didn't agree with they way they came across. Surely we can have our cake and eat it, perhaps a split Forum as the have done on Lit Personal? Any views on this idea/suggestion?
Meanwhile I shall stay observing and hoping something interesting will arise from the ashes.

 

[~*sunkyssed_kym*~]

Because this place that I care so much about, the place where I found acceptance, where I could learn safely from real people about real experiences, has been watered down to such an extent that it hardly exists anymore.


I will now go back ... trying hard to pick conversations and threads I can post to with thought and intelligence. I have no wish to banter semi-vieled comments with anyone. I have no inclination to flirt with anyone - I wouldn't dare to be so disrespectful of my relationship. I will try to continue to have fun with my friends ... but it seems a really empty hollow place suddenly.

Willow; Even though I am fairly new to this forum, I understand your point exactly. I came here on My-Sir's suggestion, to learn and grow. I have found valuable information here that has opened my eyes to the lifestyle. I also have seen the proliferation of negative threads that do nothing for the discussion of BDSM. The very the reason I tend to hop over to the How to board with greater frequency these last few days.
I'm not into flaming,flirting, or ranting. I'm here to learn and exchange ideas; and maybe have a little fun along the way.
I will admit that there are a few posters whose threads I stay away from as I know that they will be full of venom. You know; I have to deal with nasty people enough in R/L that I don't need to sign on here and deal with cyber-'tudes.
You have my support Willow, for what its worth.

-kym- ***applauding Willow's courage***

 

[~Dream~]

just my .2 cents..

Good Morning to one and all..
Willow,whether you choose to believe it or not,I highly respect youand I even asked my Master to read your stories before my trip to Arkansas,so He could see the kinds of things I'd wish done to ME lol=true.You are an excellent writer ,but better yet ,in MY EYES A 'BEAUTIFUL SUBMISSIVE" sorry for caps I get carried away.. anyways I also told Master that I wish I could be 'more like you',you can ask Him,He will tell you ,it's TRUE.. I sense your hurt and your seriousness..
I need you to understand that I am me however and sometimes I may not behave in a manner that You or anyone else "thinks" is very "submissive" at all,such as "flirting" with friends in my own threads.that is something that I reserve the 'right to do"My Master Knows of it and all my friends KNOW we are in love with each other ,therefore it is "harmless' in our minds to our relationship( we TRUST one another),however if it has "offended you" then I do humbly apologize,not my INTENTION at all.. thats another reason sometimes I feel I get so 'defensive at times is that people take me all wrong..their perception is indeed not ALWAYS the REALITY of who I am ..

I truly hope to learn also,I really do (sorry Red,I said it again) lol however a few fun or "fluff; threads would sure as hell be a welcome break from the "flaming' ,thats for sure!! I am sorry Dr. Blue feels the way he does about people expressing "Free Speech" but I do respect His opinions.
2 people that I know of that I COULD'VE learned a great deal from are now gone or simply "lurking". to me, that is sad indeed..

I too,hope as a submissive that more threads like just gem's arise up as I felt it gave a wealth of information to me.. my threads are only from my perspective sometimes with a few quotes from books I am currently reading to help "strengthen them ",however I am truly seeking to "help or be helped"' NOT to hinder or ridicule,thats a waste of my time!!
my time is to be spent serving my Master, and thats exactly what I intend to do with it...everyon have a great day!! LTR ,I LOVE your posts too hun!!

 

[DRxBlue]

It's only when people choose to deliberately bait and berate others until tempers are lost. When they make demands for change without any effort to try and fit in, nor any plan for improvement.

These things i find irritating for a while.

When they settle in amongst the wreckage of things they destroyed because they had no use for them and decide it's party time, i say GREAT! Lemme fill the punch bowl...i'm preparing pies too.

They may not have a clue as to what it WAS that was going on here, but i have a right to "free speech" too. i've run out of nice things to say, for the moment.

Blue

 

[Daddyslilpet]

Willow,
I fully understand how you feel. I've been feeling the same way since the middle of this summer. Threads were started and ignored for the more "interesting" war going on. I don't even recognize this forum as being anywhere close to the one I joined a few months ago. There is still information to be had here, but I'm finding you have to dig thru lots of crap to find it.

I do have one small problem with something you said. As LTR stated, some of us do have permission from our Masters to flirt. I do, as long as its kept to online, and I'm not "submitting" to another Dom. If you will notice my flirting has not been more than mostly "vanilla" variety. Beyond that I don't see any difference in flirting and those that add others to their relationships. I do feel however, that some here look down on those of us that flirt. Its sad to see. Point in case, since I have openly flirted here I have had posts ignored by people on serious threads that I have tried to contribute to. So how am I suppose to act? Is it either one or the other? Or should I be allowed to be myself, and contribute where I feel I can without feeling like I've gone invisible?

I mean none of this in a hostile manner. It truly saddens me that there is such discrimination on this board, of all places. I've shed my tears, screamed my frustrations, and finally decided to be myself. I wish I felt that things would get back to somewhere close to what was here before, but I don't.

Thank you for having the courage to voice your concerns. You are respected greatly by this one.

dixi

 

[zipman]

The gloves are OFF!

Okay, first of I am probably still considered a "newbie" here, as I joined and started posting in July. What I have seen transpire here since then is sad indeed. When I came here, I found a forum that was full of great threads about topics that I was interested in learning more about. What I see now is a board full of crap, with a few gems thrown in for good measure.

I understand why Risia said she doesn't give a crap anymore. I can't say that I blame her after what has gone on here. And it is not any one persons fault. So here and now I am going to make my stand and voice my opinions. Not everyone will like it, and that's okay, because without trying to keep what was great about this board is far worse to me than keeping quiet and being "politically correct."

I agree wholeheartedly with Willow! Period!

Personally, I couldn't give a shit about who gets wet thinking about Tony Soprano! All you have to do is go the GB and see a board full of that crap. I have nothing against friendly banter on the threads, or even flirting, as we all need a fun diversion from time to time, but this is about BDSM. That's why I am here. To learn and to share from my own experiences. I know I am not alone in this.

However, there are people here who are not interested in learning, they would rather turn this into a mini GB. They profess to be here to learn but close there eyes to anything meaningful and make snide comments about "the more experienced people here" not teaching them. NOT TEACHING THEM. I have learned so much here from the experienced and the newbies alike. From Dommes like Shadowsdream, Ebonyfire and MzC who share their lives and thoughts with me. To Subs like SexyChele, WillowPuss, Cymbidia. To other newbies who ask questions that make me think, and consider my Dominance from their perspective. And so many others here who I do respect and want to hear more from. It all helps me learn and grow so that I can be a bettter Dom than I currently am. So that I can explore the possiblities of this lifestyle and make choices for my future.

So what's the problem? We have people here on their own crusades, who have not demonstrated a real desire to discuss BDMS. We have people in search of support groups, who want friends to call "sis" and send *hugs* to all. We have people who throw temper tantrums and stomp their feet screaming how they are being *flamed* when they recieve comments that they do not agree with.

But, if you open your mouth you are considered a *flamer* and don't you dare say that about my friend. You can try and help people and see your thoughts twisted to support some claim that "you don't like them." Well I care enough to open my mouth and give a shit about this place enough to say my piece. And I will be on and off all day to discuss these views with any who would care to!

 

[quietwillow]

Willow

I feel so much like you do, Willow. I have had my share of reading posts which are disrespectful to our way of life and it does hurt sometimes.
I admire your strength and courage to say what you feel and thank you so much for reminding us that we are human. While our way of life is not easy, it is worth every minute of it. Your devotion to the community has touched my heart and I thank you for it.

quiet

 

[A Desert Rose]

Re: The gloves are OFF!

Personally, I couldn't give a shit about who gets wet thinking about Tony Soprano! All you have to do is go the GB and see a board full of that crap. I have nothing against friendly banter on the threads, or even flirting, as we all need a fun diversion from time to time, but this is about BDSM.

I have more respect for Willow than to hijack her thread to flame others. And as I have said to you ZIP, and others, I will not engage in the public flogging of anyone.

Rose

 

[SexyChele]

Firstly, Willow you have already accomplished more than you think you have. I had decided to go into "lurk" mode for the next few weeks, as I was sickened by what I was seeing develop here. I thought my views were my own, and that no one truly cared to make this place a place of safety, concern, learning, and support regarding the issues of BDSM. In this post, and from a lot of the posts I've seen here this morning, I am heartened to see that I was not alone in my thinking. For that, I thank you, Willow. You have done a good thing.

I personally have nothing against the "fluff" threads. Sometimes they can be fun to pop into, exchange some banter, and leave. It lightens the day and makes one smile. However, the other day I counted the threads on the first page - there were 15 threads that were either "fluff" or "complaints", out of a total of 40. That's almost 40% that had nothing to do with discussion of lifestyle. To me, that's a bit over the top.

Personally, I see nothing wrong with a little innocent flirtation. As long as a submissive has permission to do so, what is the harm? I flirt rarely - it's not something I do very well online. If subs such as dix or LTR or Dream have the okay to do so, power to them and I hope they enjoy themselves. What I do not like to see is a serious thread brought down to the level of a flirtation between 2 or 3 people - it makes me feel as though I'm interrupting something. If there has been a page and a half of flirtatious bantering, and I come in with a serious opinion, I feel that I am intruding. So, while I would say to those who want/can go ahead and have fun, please keep in mind that if you are on a serious thread, there may be others who feel uncomfortable jumping into the middle of that bantering. There must be some sort of compromise reached, can't there, in this regard?

Zipman, you actually made me blush this morning! Thank you. You are indeed a "mensch" and your g/f is very lucky to have you in her life.

Willow, thank you for bringing this issue to life, and helping me to see there are others willing to stand up and be counted. And Dr. Blue, thank you for helping me to realize that to abandon something worth fighting for is a most cowardly act, indeed.

And, Dream? Yes, I, for one, am noticing, and want you to know that your efforts are being recognized and appreciated. Chin up, and you'll do fine.

 

[Desdemona]

Willow, I think this is a valuable thread that allows for some healthy discussion.

I have been here since the M thread on the How to Board. Most of that time, I lurked rather than posted. I have seen some pretty sad changes over that time.

I also still see many opportunities to learn, if we will only take advantage of them. I have so much to learn and I have learned from the serious posts as well as the fluff. Sometimes fluff can be instructive even though that was not the intent.

Sometimes I play, sometimes I am serious. I think, though, that it is a mistake to judge other posters on the basis of fluff participation. Sometimes I think the fluff threads are an attempt to lighten the mood here and divert us away from the flames. Sometimes these threads are an attempt on the part of the poster to distract themselves from something painful. And yes, some of these threads are merely obnoxious and spiteful.

IMO, sometimes there are things in the background that influence our behavior in this public forum. Sometimes we behave in ways that cause us to sincerely regret our posts later. All of us are imperfect human beings who are deserving of respect and compassion in the face of mistakes.

Are there people here who annoy me? Certainly. I avoid them or I speak to them privately about my concerns. That is my choice and I recognise that this style doesn't work for all of us all of the time.

Will I give up on this forum? No. I see the current state of affairs here as a crucible which could well refine and strengthen our place to learn and grow. Whether we come through the flames stronger or not is a matter of choice. We each have choices to make.

You all have my respect and I appreciate being able to learn from each of you. Don't give up hope.

 

[Daddyslilpet]

Chele, I agree with you 100%. Even with my permission to flirt I will not disrupt a serious thread with it. That also disrupts my learning and is not fair to the others of this board. I have more respect for the starters of the serious threads than to do that to them.

I too am totally in awe of the number of people who really want to and desire to have this board be more than a mini GB. I left the GB because of the boredom I felt with very little worth reading there. I came here looking for information about a lifestyle I wanted, and was fortunate to find that and much more. I found people with real devotion and caring...I found people that I was honored to call friend. I'm sad that the new ones coming in don't have the opportunity I had, to easily find the information they seek.

I've pointed people to this board in the past, now I'm embarrassed to send anyone here. The reason being, is the lack of respect some have for each other and this board. I've had friends who have looked in here, said what a mess we have here, and left without even posting once. These are real life friends of mine who have asked me for more info about my lifestyle choices...to understand more about what I like.

Sorry willow, I've rambled. I don't point fingers at anyone nor am I attacking anyone. I've been guilty of lack of concern for a few weeks now after trying so hard for weeks to keep this board afloat. I'm back to myself now, and still care deeply about people on this board and the board itself as a learning tool.

Thank you again willow for this thread.
dixi

 

[tassie]

Fantastic. come in, shit all over my carpet (ignoring the please dont shit on my carpet sign) smear it on the walls, have a go at me for my house smelling then fuck off.

Blue, as ever, you read my mind. Willow, chelle, Im with you. im just not very eloquent.

 

[zipman]

Re: Re: The gloves are OFF!

I have more respect for Willow than to hijack her thread to flame others. And as I have said to you ZIP, and others, I will not engage in the public flogging of anyone.

Rose

Perhaps I have a different view of flames than you do. To me, it is making insulting remarks about an individual's personality. What I did in the post you quoted was to comment on a thread you started that I feel has no place on this board. The GB is for that kind of thread. It has nothing to do with BDSM and is not even remotely like the other threads here.

If that is "flaming" to you then I am guilty. Is disagreeing with you on a public forum flogging? I think not. I used the Tony Soprano thread because it was the best example of a thread that just does not belong here.

And discussing this is not hijacking this thread either. WillowPuss made the following comment in her opening post:

Originally posted by WillowPuss
I logged on this morning as I usually do ... and on the first page there were just seven threads that were actually about real BDSM topics. Just seven that might expand my learning a little - a mere seven.

I find it interesting that you consider this hijacking. I consider it responding to the original thread starter. I would apologize to WillowPuss if I thought for a second that I had hijacked this thread.