I am a Mastermind!

[jomar]

With time on my hands and a burning scientific curiosity, I took a test that was mentioned on an earlier thread (Jung Typology Test). Adhering to current White House scientific principals, I reject that with which I do not agree and accept as fact that which feels favorable to me. Therefore, I accept the truthiness that I am a Mastermind.

It turns out I'm an INTJ today, just like Carl Jung. And John F. Kennedy, though he got laid a lot more than me.

If you want to "deal" with me you must:

1. Be willing to back up your statements with facts.

2. Earn my respect.

3. Be willing to concede when you are wrong. I will then see you as reasonable.

4. Try not to be repetitive (apparently it annoys me).

5. Do not feed me a line of bull (I am partial to a rack of ribs).

6. Expect debate (apparently I'm a wise ass and will even argue a point I don't actually support for the sake of argument; like I have the energy).

7. Do not be surprised at sarcasm.

8. I am extremely open-minded to possibilities, but will quickly discard any idea that is unfeasible. (My ultimate insult to an idea is to ignore it, because that means it's not even interesting enough to deconstruct).

9. Does your idea work? That is all that I care about!

I'm off to skeptics dictionary to research this. In the meantime, do you have the courage to be labeled with four letters, only one of which is a vowel?

http://skepdic.com/essays/myersbriggscode.html
http://skepdic.com/myersb.html

Being a Mastermind, I can tell you with absolute authority that the Myers-Briggs is actually a useful workplace tool - if you have low emotional intelligence.

 

[cloudy]

I'm an ISFP - Composer Artisan

ISFPs are the first to hear the different drummer. Many eagerly plunge into new fashions, avant garde experiences, 'hip' trends--some even setting the trends.

More in touch with the reality of their senses than their INFP counterparts, ISFPs live in the here and now. Their impulses yearn to be free, and are often loosed when others least expect it. The ISFP who continually represses these impulses feels 'dead inside' and may eventually cut and run. (One ISFP friend has become nonambulatory within the past few years. He will still, on impulse, leave home in the middle of the night and go to Las Vegas or wherever, regardless of the difficulties of his physical condition.)

ISFPs may be quite charming and ingratiating on first acquaintance, flowing with compliments which may (or may not) be deserved. On other occasions, the same individual may be aloof and detached. Some ISFP males are fiercely competitive, especially in sport or table games, and may have great difficulty losing. This competitive nature, also seen in other SP types, sometimes fosters 'lucky,' 'gut' feelings and a willingness to take risks.

Organized education is difficult for the majority of ISFPs, and many drop out before finishing secondary education. Their interest can be held better through experiential learning, at which many excel. ISFPs will practice playing an instrument or honing a favored skill for hours on end, not so much as practice as for the joy of the experience.

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Besides being concrete in speech and utilitarian in getting what they want, the Composer Artisans are accomodating and attentive in their social roles. Composers are just as reluctant to direct others' behavior as are Performers, though they appear even more so, since they are more attentive.

While all the Artisans are artistic in nature, Composers (perhaps ten per cent of the population) seem to excel in the "fine arts," having not only a natural grace of movement, but also an innate sense what fits and what doesn't fit in artistic compositions. Of course, composing must not be thought of as only writing music, but as bringing into harmonious form any aspect of the world of the five senses, and so when an especially gifted painter, sculptor, choreographer, film maker, songwriter, chef, decorator, or fashion designer shows up, he or she is likely to be an Composer.

Composers, like the other Artisans, have a special talent for "tactical" variation, and such talent differs radically from that possessed by Idealists, Rationals, and Guardians (who have their own unique and inherent abilities). As the word "tactical" implies, Artisans keep closely in "touch" with the physical world, their senses keenly tuned to reality. But, while the Crafter is attuned to the tool and its uses, the Composer is attuned to sensory variation in color, line, texture, aroma, flavor, tone-seeing, touching, smelling, tasting, and hearing in harmony. This extreme concreteness and sensuality seems to come naturally to the Composers, as if embedded "in the warp and woof" of their make.

Bob Dylan is an example of a Composer Artisan.

 

[starrkers]

I'm an INTJ as well

 

[fcdc]

With time on my hands and a burning scientific curiosity, I took a test that was mentioned on an earlier thread (Jung Typology Test).

We took this in law school, and I have taken it before then.

I am an ENFP, heavy on the iNtuitive versus Sensing, moderate on the Extrovert, Feeling, and Perception.

My description is Champion/Inspirer.

That surprises nobody who talks with me - even online! - for more than three seconds.

I am like Mark Twain, Buster Keaton, Will Rogers, Andy Kaufman, Robert Downey Jr., Robin Williams, etc. All the "comics with ADD," apparently.

Another page gives archetypes as Bill Moyers and Joan Baez. I'm cool with that, too!

ENFP children are 'into everything.' Their natural curiosity results in children for whom questions were invented. They often spend long periods of time devising new and original --- but not necessarily practical --- languages, plays, and scenarios. Many ENFPs enjoy drawing, writing, playacting, and dreaming.

Wrote my first play in third grade, my first full-fledged novel in 6th grade. Only child, so I grew up with writing and with Legos.

They are often chosen as leaders because of their persuasive enthusiasm and their energy for new and different ways of developing things.

I managed to charm my fellow students to stay in from recess in third grade to perform that play. Persuasive enthusiasm, indeed!

ENFP teenagers are agreeable, sociable, outgoing people who like to imagine themselves in the future. They spend many hours wondering and discussing with friends whom they will marry, where they will live, what their children will be like, and what work they will do.

Yes.

They leave no option or possibility unexplored and find it difficult to see themselves in any single job or career.

I started out as a film student, considered astronomy major, wound up in English major, and now am in law school.

Because they see endless possibilities, to select one possibility appears to the ENFP to be too narrow a focus. They hate to be boxed into a career for life and therefore hesitate and resist making decisions.

This is one of my major problems with law school - I could never work for a firm for the rest of my life. How boring.

It is unwise for ENFPs to settle down too early, and they make the soundest choices when they delay career and marriage decisions until their middle to late twenties.

I just turned 26 today. I do not plan to get married for at least 5 more years, or to have kids for 10 more years. I would not be a fit wife or parent at the moment, and I know this.

Often when a decision is made, ENFPs will still leave a number of options open or change their minds as they encounter new information.

I could easily see myself getting bored in the marriage, too.

Even in their everyday activities, ENFPs often search for the new and the novel. If there is a logical route to work and ENFP has been driving that way continually, he or she will likely tire of it and look for other routes.

There are three ways into the main campus where I work (I live across the street from my law school). I have taken all three regularly and wish there were more.

ENFPs are more likely than other types to change from one career to another, demonstrating their versatility in doing so.

See above.

It is not uncommon to hear stories of ENFPs who have established themselves in a career and who, when faced with the daily routine of maintaining it, leave it to start another.

Right now, during finals, I could run away and join the circus, without any guilt. Seriously.

Adult ENFPs maintain characteristics that might be considered youthful, such as enthusiasm, curiosity, and a zestful outlook on life. As a result, people often enjoy being with them. Many times they are young-in-spirit as they age, perhaps because of their temperament.

You tell me: Am I young in spirit? I know I'm enthusiastic, curious, and zestful(ly clean)!

ENFPs look forward to retirement as a time that can bring freedom from the restrictions of the work world and ample opportunity to pursue their varied interests.

No more 9-to-5 sounds good to me, and I've barely started it.

However, if ENFPs become disabled or experience a lack of resources, such as money, they may become despondent because this restricts their ability to quest after new experiences.

That's true, too. If I couldn't go anywhere, I'd get frustrated, and I'm frustrated on a student budget.

So yes, me in a nutshell. Then again, I'm pretty much the textbook example here, so it may vary for someone who's less archetypally defined, as it were.

 

[jomar]

I'm an ISFP - Composer Artisan. Bob Dylan is an example of a Composer Artisan.

So how do we interface? (I liked Everybody Must get Stoned and the song about Billy the Kid.)

ETA: Just read it. CAs sound sexy, if they're female, I think.

 

[jomar]

I'm an INTJ as well

I want to lead when we dance!

 

[fcdc]

Here is the rest of mine, from the sites Cloudy used. Spammity spam spam.

General: ENFPs are both "idea"-people and "people"-people, who see everyone and everything as part of an often bizarre cosmic whole. They want to both help (at least, their own definition of "help") and be liked and admired by other people, on bo th an individual and a humanitarian level. They are interested in new ideas on principle, but ultimately discard most of them for one reason or another.

Social/Personal Relationships: ENFPs have a great deal of zany charm, which can ingratiate them to the more stodgy types in spite of their unconventionality. They are outgoing, fun, and genuinely like people. As SOs/mates they are warm, affectionate (l ots of PDA), and disconcertingly spontaneous. However, attention span in relationships can be short; ENFPs are easily intrigued and distracted by new friends and acquaintances, forgetting about the older ones for long stretches at a time. Less mature ENFPs may need to feel they are the center of attention all the time, to reassure them that everyone thinks they're a wonderful and fascinating person.

ENFPs often have strong, if unconventional, convictions on various issues related to their Cosmic View. They usually try to use their social skills and contacts to persuade people gently of the rightness of these views; his sometimes results in their neglecting their nearest and dearest while flitting around trying to save the world.
Work Environment: ENFPs are pleasant, easygoing, and usually fun to work with. They come up with great ideas, and are a major asset in brainstorming sessions. Followthrough tends to be a problem, however; they tend to get bored quickly, especially if a newer, more interesting project comes along. They also tend to be procrastinators, both about meeting hard deadlines and about performing any small, uninteresting tasks that they've been assigned. ENFPs are at their most useful when working in a group with a J or two to take up the slack.

ENFPs hate bureaucracy, both in principle and in practice; they will always make a point of launching one of their crusades against some aspect of it.

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As an ENFP, your primary mode of living is focused externally, where you take things in primarily via your intuition. Your secondary mode is internal, where you deal with things according to how you feel about them, or how they fit in with your personal value system.

ENFPs are warm, enthusiastic people, typically very bright and full of potential. They live in the world of possibilities, and can become very passionate and excited about things. Their enthusiasm lends them the ability to inspire and motivate others, more so than we see in other types. They can talk their way in or out of anything. They love life, seeing it as a special gift, and strive to make the most out of it.

ENFPs have an unusually broad range of skills and talents. They are good at most things which interest them. Project-oriented, they may go through several different careers during their lifetime. To onlookers, the ENFP may seem directionless and without purpose, but ENFPs are actually quite consistent, in that they have a strong sense of values which they live with throughout their lives. Everything that they do must be in line with their values. An ENFP needs to feel that they are living their lives as their true Self, walking in step with what they believe is right. They see meaning in everything, and are on a continuous quest to adapt their lives and values to achieve inner peace. They're constantly aware and somewhat fearful of losing touch with themselves. Since emotional excitement is usually an important part of the ENFP's life, and because they are focused on keeping "centered", the ENFP is usually an intense individual, with highly evolved values.

An ENFP needs to focus on following through with their projects. This can be a problem area for some of these individuals. Unlike other Extraverted types, ENFPs need time alone to center themselves, and make sure they are moving in a direction which is in sync with their values. ENFPs who remain centered will usually be quite successful at their endeavors. Others may fall into the habit of dropping a project when they become excited about a new possibility, and thus they never achieve the great accomplishments which they are capable of achieving.

Most ENFPs have great people skills. They are genuinely warm and interested in people, and place great importance on their inter-personal relationships. ENFPs almost always have a strong need to be liked. Sometimes, especially at a younger age, an ENFP will tend to be "gushy" and insincere, and generally "overdo" in an effort to win acceptance. However, once an ENFP has learned to balance their need to be true to themselves with their need for acceptance, they excel at bringing out the best in others, and are typically well-liked. They have an exceptional ability to intuitively understand a person after a very short period of time, and use their intuition and flexibility to relate to others on their own level.

Because ENFPs live in the world of exciting possibilities, the details of everyday life are seen as trivial drudgery. They place no importance on detailed, maintenance-type tasks, and will frequently remain oblivous to these types of concerns. When they do have to perform these tasks, they do not enjoy themselves. This is a challenging area of life for most ENFPs, and can be frustrating for ENFP's family members.

An ENFP who has "gone wrong" may be quite manipulative - and very good it. The gift of gab which they are blessed with makes it naturally easy for them to get what they want. Most ENFPs will not abuse their abilities, because that would not jive with their value systems.

ENFPs sometimes make serious errors in judgment. They have an amazing ability to intuitively perceive the truth about a person or situation, but when they apply judgment to their perception, they may jump to the wrong conclusions.

ENFPs who have not learned to follow through may have a difficult time remaining happy in marital relationships. Always seeing the possibilities of what could be, they may become bored with what actually is. The strong sense of values will keep many ENFPs dedicated to their relationships. However, ENFPs like a little excitement in their lives, and are best matched with individuals who are comfortable with change and new experiences.

Having an ENFP parent can be a fun-filled experience, but may be stressful at times for children with strong Sensing or Judging tendencies. Such children may see the ENFP parent as inconsistent and difficult to understand, as the children are pulled along in the whirlwind life of the ENFP. Sometimes the ENFP will want to be their child's best friend, and at other times they will play the parental authoritarian. But ENFPs are always consistent in their value systems, which they will impress on their children above all else, along with a basic joy of living.

ENFPs are basically happy people. They may become unhappy when they are confined to strict schedules or mundane tasks. Consequently, ENFPs work best in situations where they have a lot of flexibility, and where they can work with people and ideas. Many go into business for themselves. They have the ability to be quite productive with little supervision, as long as they are excited about what they're doing.

Because they are so alert and sensitive, constantly scanning their environments, ENFPs often suffer from muscle tension. They have a strong need to be independent, and resist being controlled or labeled. They need to maintain control over themselves, but they do not believe in controlling others. Their dislike of dependence and suppression extends to others as well as to themselves.

ENFPs are charming, ingenuous, risk-taking, sensitive, people-oriented individuals with capabilities ranging across a broad spectrum. They have many gifts which they will use to fulfill themselves and those near them, if they are able to remain centered and master the ability of following through.

*****

The Champion Idealists are abstract in thought and speech, cooperative in accomplishing their aims, and informative and expressive when relating with others. For Champions, nothing occurs which does not have some deep ethical significance, and this, coupled with their uncanny sense of the motivations of others, gives them a talent for seeing life as an exciting drama, pregnant with possibilities for both good and evil. This type is found in only about 3 percent of the general population, but they have great influence because of their extraordinary impact on others. Champions are inclined to go everywhere and look into everything that has to do with the advance of good and the retreat of evil in the world. They can't bear to miss out on what is going on around them; they must experience, first hand, all the significant social events that affect our lives. And then they are eager to relate the stories they've uncovered, hoping to disclose the "truth" of people and issues, and to advocate causes. This strong drive to unveil current events can make them tireless in conversing with others, like fountains that bubble and splash, spilling over their own words to get it all out.

Champions consider intense emotional experiences as being vital to a full life, although they can never quite shake the feeling that a part of themselves is split off, uninvolved in the experience. Thus, while they strive for emotional congruency, they often see themselves in some danger of losing touch with their real feelings, which Champions possess in a wide range and variety. In the same vein, Champions strive toward a kind of spontaneous personal authenticity, and this intention always to "be themselves" is usually communicated nonverbally to others, who find it quite attractive. All too often, however, Champions fall short in their efforts to be authentic, and they tend to heap coals of fire on themselves, berating themselves for the slightest self-conscious role-playing.

 

[cloudy]

So how do we interface? (I liked Everybody Must get Stoned and the song about Billy the Kid.)

ETA: Just read it. CAs sound sexy, if they're female, I think.

I was told years and years ago by someone that I was "one of the original free spirits."

Pretty damn close.

 

[The_Fool]

I was told years and years ago by someone that I was "one of the original free spirits."

Pretty damn close.

Is free better than cheap? Just wonderin'.....

 

[cloudy]

Is free better than cheap? Just wonderin'.....

Rather be a slut than a whore.

 

[jomar]

We took this in law school, and I have taken it before then.

Law school! That's in the family blood and one of the vocations listed for my type. Can't believe I didn't take this before, I might have chosen a different line. I'm about as far from law as you can get, unless you count manipulating people (in a positive way, really) and leaving them happy to give me their money.

What school - if you're comfortable answering.

 

[jomar]

Rather be a slut than a whore.

Okay, too good not to touch. What's the female difference?

 

[cloudy]

Okay, too good not to touch. What's the female difference?

A slut does it because she likes it.

A whore does it because she gets paid.

 

[scriptordelecto]

I'm INFP




Healer Idealists are abstract in thought and speech, cooperative in striving for their ends, and investigative and attentive in their interpersonal relations. Healer present a seemingly tranquil, and noticiably pleasant face to the world, and though to all appearances they might seem reserved, and even shy, on the inside they are anything but reserved, having a capacity for caring not always found in other types. They care deeply-indeed, passionately-about a few special persons or a favorite cause, and their fervent aim is to bring peace and integrity to their loved ones and the world.

Healers have a profound sense of idealism derived from a strong personal morality, and they conceive of the world as an ethical, honorable place. Indeed, to understand Healers, we must understand their idealism as almost boundless and selfless, inspiring them to make extraordinary sacrifices for someone or something they believe in. The Healer is the Prince or Princess of fairytale, the King's Champion or Defender of the Faith, like Sir Galahad or Joan of Arc. Healers are found in only 1 percent of the general population, although, at times, their idealism leaves them feeling even more isolated from the rest of humanity.

Healers seek unity in their lives, unity of body and mind, emotions and intellect, perhaps because they are likely to have a sense of inner division threaded through their lives, which comes from their often unhappy childhood. Healers live a fantasy-filled childhood, which, unfortunately, is discouraged or even punished by many parents. In a practical-minded family, required by their parents to be sociable and industrious in concrete ways, and also given down-to-earth siblings who conform to these parental expectations, Healers come to see themselves as ugly ducklings. Other types usually shrug off parental expectations that do not fit them, but not the Healers. Wishing to please their parents and siblings, but not knowing quite how to do it, they try to hide their differences, believing they are bad to be so fanciful, so unlike their more solid brothers and sisters. They wonder, some of them for the rest of their lives, whether they are OK. They are quite OK, just different from the rest of their family-swans reared in a family of ducks. Even so, to realize and really believe this is not easy for them. Deeply committed to the positive and the good, yet taught to believe there is evil in them, Healers can come to develop a certain fascination with the problem of good and evil, sacred and profane. Healers are drawn toward purity, but can become engrossed with the profane, continuously on the lookout for the wickedness that lurks within them. Then, when Healers believe thay have yielded to an impure temptation, they may be given to acts of self-sacrifice in atonement. Others seldom detect this inner turmoil, however, for the struggle between good and evil is within the Healer, who does not feel compelled to make the issue public.



Princess Diana is an example of a Healer Idealist

 

[jomar]

A slut does it because she likes it.

A whore does it because she gets paid.

How 'bout that. An ISFP and an INTJ agree. Sluts are good.

 

[TE999]

I'm an INTJ as well

Same here lil' Aussie.

At least I am in some good company with you and jomar.

Introverts 'R' Us.

 

[jomar]

I'm INFP - Healer Idealists

See. That's where labels are deceiving. On the surface, I would have thought I'd be a HI like you.

 

[FatDino]

Another INTJ.

 

[jomar]

Same here lil' Aussie.

At least I am in some good company with you and jomar.

Introverts 'R' Us.

I like the company, but are we? We're leaders and Masterminds. At least that's what I choose to believe.

 

[jomar]

Another INTJ.

Hey.The INTJs are meeting in an hour. We're taking over. You in?

 

[FatDino]

Hey.The INTJs are meeting in an hour. We're taking over. You in?

Why the hell not?

What's the plan this time? Are we gonna use nukes or biochem weapons?

 

[LadyCibelle]

Just like Scripto, I'm also an INFP


Worst thing is that it's not surprising in the least.

Healer Idealists are abstract in thought and speech, cooperative in striving for their ends, and investigative and attentive in their interpersonal relations. Healer present a seemingly tranquil, and noticiably pleasant face to the world, and though to all appearances they might seem reserved, and even shy, on the inside they are anything but reserved, having a capacity for caring not always found in other types. They care deeply-indeed, passionately-about a few special persons or a favorite cause, and their fervent aim is to bring peace and integrity to their loved ones and the world.

Healers have a profound sense of idealism derived from a strong personal morality, and they conceive of the world as an ethical, honorable place. Indeed, to understand Healers, we must understand their idealism as almost boundless and selfless, inspiring them to make extraordinary sacrifices for someone or something they believe in. The Healer is the Prince or Princess of fairytale, the King's Champion or Defender of the Faith, like Sir Galahad or Joan of Arc. Healers are found in only 1 percent of the general population, although, at times, their idealism leaves them feeling even more isolated from the rest of humanity.

Healers seek unity in their lives, unity of body and mind, emotions and intellect, perhaps because they are likely to have a sense of inner division threaded through their lives, which comes from their often unhappy childhood. Healers live a fantasy-filled childhood, which, unfortunately, is discouraged or even punished by many parents. In a practical-minded family, required by their parents to be sociable and industrious in concrete ways, and also given down-to-earth siblings who conform to these parental expectations, Healers come to see themselves as ugly ducklings. Other types usually shrug off parental expectations that do not fit them, but not the Healers. Wishing to please their parents and siblings, but not knowing quite how to do it, they try to hide their differences, believing they are bad to be so fanciful, so unlike their more solid brothers and sisters. They wonder, some of them for the rest of their lives, whether they are OK. They are quite OK, just different from the rest of their family-swans reared in a family of ducks. Even so, to realize and really believe this is not easy for them. Deeply committed to the positive and the good, yet taught to believe there is evil in them, Healers can come to develop a certain fascination with the problem of good and evil, sacred and profane. Healers are drawn toward purity, but can become engrossed with the profane, continuously on the lookout for the wickedness that lurks within them. Then, when Healers believe thay have yielded to an impure temptation, they may be given to acts of self-sacrifice in atonement. Others seldom detect this inner turmoil, however, for the struggle between good and evil is within the Healer, who does not feel compelled to make the issue public.

 

[fcdc]

I'm INFP

Ah, my introverted relative! You and Cibelle should come out and play with the champions! We both care about causes! We're both ethical and dramatic! All you have to do now is be a social butterfly!

 

[jomar]

Why the hell not?

What's the plan this time? Are we gonna use nukes or biochem weapons?

Shh. New technology. It's late here. If I fall asleep during the meeting clue me in later.

 

[jomar]

Just like Scripto, I'm also an INFP

And you, LC.