How will the UK prepare for a wave of terrorism?

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From the London Times

Bin Laden film vows revenge on the UK
Dipesh Gadher



AN ENCRYPTED video containing previously unseen footage of Osama Bin Laden singling out Britain as a terrorist target has been obtained by The Sunday Times.

The 40-minute propaganda film includes an interview with the Al-Qaeda leader, recorded after the start of the West's offensive in Afghanistan, in which he compares the conflict with the medieval crusade led by Richard the Lion-Heart.

Another short section shows the terrorist warlord speaking about martyrdom against the backdrop of a fertile plain and hills that his supporters claim, was filmed just eight weeks ago. If true, it would provide the first evidence that Bin Laden survived the recent allied attacks on the Tora Bora mountain complex in Afghanistan.

The film's existence is revealed as US intelligence agencies report a number of communications among Al-Qaeda members that suggest the organisation is plotting to carry out an operation at least as big as the September 11 attacks.

Debbie Weierman, an FBI spokesman, said last night that the agencies had received "non-specific" information that Al-Qaeda could be planning to rent a flat and pack it with explosives. She said that FBI offices and local apartment managers around the country had been alerted.

Last Friday a London-based Arabic newspaper claimed that Mullah Omar, the former Taliban leader, whose whereabouts are also unknown, had confirmed in an interview that Bin Laden was still alive.

According to a Birmingham-based Islamic news agency, which obtained the film of Bin Laden, it was passed to one of its journalists by a Pakistani intelligence official who said the "new" segment had been filmed in March.

The tape arrived in Britain on an encrypted CD-Rom and was decoded by the agency last week. The "new" footage shows Bin Laden sitting under a tree outside a stone building on what appears to be a pleasant spring evening, wearing a camouflage jacket and an Afghan pakul hat. He is filmed discussing jihad and martyrdom with several armed henchmen.

In the sequence Bin Laden appears more gaunt than in previous footage and his delivery lacks some of the zeal of previous broadcasts.

"Concerning the situation that we are in, we must praise Allah that he has allowed us to follow the path of [men who are among] the best of creation," he says. Quoting from an Islamic scripture, Bin Laden adds: "I wish that I would go to jihad and die."

Whitehall sources, who have yet to view the film, said the transcript did not provide enough clues to date it. Other experts were sceptical that Bin Laden was still alive, believing Al-Qaeda would have publicised his survival more directly.

The film is interspersed with images of the attacks on the World Trade Center and footage of western leaders meeting their Middle Eastern counterparts. One clip shows Tony Blair being greeted by Crown Prince Abdullah of Saudi Arabia. The film also includes a lengthy tribute to Al-Qaeda men allegedly killed in action.

The opening sequence, however, is likely to be of greatest interest to the British authorities. It features an interview with Bin Laden carried out by a reporter from Al-Jazeera, the Qatar-based television station.

Filmed by Al-Qaeda cameramen last October, it has not been broadcast to date because Al-Jazeera executives judged that they had not had sufficient control over the interview.

Bin Laden makes it clear that any country siding with Israel and America is a target for Islamic terrorists. "The war is between us and the Jews," he says. "Any country that steps into the same trench as the Jews has only herself to blame."

Referring to an earlier warning made by Sheikh Sulaiman Abu Gaith, a spokesman for Al-Qaeda, Bin Laden adds that if the sheikh "specifically targeted Britain and America — this war is not confined to them — it served as an opportunity for other nations to revise their stance".

He then proceeds to draw parallels between the war on terror and the crusades of the 12th and 13th centuries. "This war is similar to the previous crusades, led by Richard the Lion-Heart, [King Frederick] Barbarossa of Germany and Louis [IX] of France. In the present age, they rally behind [George] Bush," he says.

Shortly after becoming king of England in 1189, Richard I set out on the third crusade and in 1191 captured Acre, in what is now Israel. His most notorious act was ordering the execution of 2,700 Muslim prisoners.

Another part of the film features images of several Al-Qaeda "martyrs" believed to have been killed in fighting in Kandahar.

Intelligence officials in Washington who have intercepted Al-Qaeda communications say they have increased in the past month and relate to a possible attack in Europe, the Arabian peninsula or America. Some information has come from interviews with fighters captured in Afghanistan.
 
Interesting. Certainly the UK's a target given our support for the US and the fact that it's currently the UK who are leading the peacekeeping effort (although Turkey is due to take that up).

Question:
- Why would they encrypt propaganda?

I think that's a rather unlikely hole in the story.
 
Im sure Tony Blair has already talked with p_pman about what course of action to take. I see long protracted negoiations with Osama, Yassir and p_pman. All resulting in a peaceful resolution. Actually, I wouldnt be at all surprised if the Limeys started rounding up all Arab men who meet the profile.
 
pretty scary but lucky enough we do have quite a proficient anti terrorist organization
 
The sun's still out in south-east London, so why worry eh s-g ?

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yep im going out for my sun bathing now ... i only found 4 viruses on my computer lol ... think i've fixed them all now though ... still a few hours of nice sunshine left in the day so joining lisa in the garden
 
Do you realise (mega-lol) how long it will take to stalk the whole of a 3 mile radius of Crystal P, looking and searching !?

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We've been living under the threat of terrorism for about 30 years now. I daresay that our police and MI5 have some idea about how to detect and deal with it by now.
 
They better do something NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Think of all the bullshit criticism directed at Bush for not "doing something" when he was told there may be hijackings.
 
MunchinMark said:
We've been living under the threat of terrorism for about 30 years now. I daresay that our police and MI5 have some idea about how to detect and deal with it by now.

Like planes being used as missiles?
 
bluespoke said:
We survived the blitz

We survived the IRA campaigns

I guess we'll survive this too.
I have no doubt that you will survive whatever happens. As will the rest of the west. The countries that allow these groups to operate should be told that any attack on ANY western country, will result in the total destruction of your most holy sites. Perhaps that would get their attention.
 
bored1 said:
I have no doubt that you will survive whatever happens. As will the rest of the west. The countries that allow these groups to operate should be told that any attack on ANY western country, will result in the total destruction of your most holy sites. Perhaps that would get their attention.

A war against terrorists is one thing.

A war against a religion's most holy sites is quite something else.

One can be done with the support or tolerance of other nations including those who's predominant religion is the same as those who are your target.

The other is likely to start a holy war. Nobody in their right mind wants a holy war.
 
bluespoke said:


A war against terrorists is one thing.

A war against a religion's most holy sites is quite something else.

One can be done with the support or tolerance of other nations including those who's predominant religion is the same as those who are your target.

The other is likely to start a holy war. Nobody in their right mind wants a holy war.
The terrorists see themselves as holy warriors, at least IMHO, so it stands to reason that destroying their holy site gets someones attention. quess Im tired of certain countries allowing these people to operate. the saudis for one. so when all else fails destroy the enemy and all his symbols. is it a radical? absolutely. I will never believe that Islam is a peaceful religion.
 
bored1 said:
The terrorists see themselves as holy warriors, at least IMHO, so it stands to reason that destroying their holy site gets someones attention. quess Im tired of certain countries allowing these people to operate. the saudis for one. so when all else fails destroy the enemy and all his symbols. is it a radical? absolutely. I will never believe that Islam is a peaceful religion.


I don't disagree with most of your comments I just don't think that starting a holy war is very sensible.

It will breed many more terrorists and bring together many countries that at present dislike and distrust each other.
 
bluespoke said:



I don't disagree with most of your comments I just don't think that starting a holy war is very sensible.

It will breed many more terrorists and bring together many countries that at present dislike and distrust each other.
Sometimes my frustration at certain issues clouds my better judgement.:) Im usually the kind of person who is tolerant of most anything........But with these extremists........Ive had enough.
 
bored1 said:
Sometimes my frustration at certain issues clouds my better judgement.:) Im usually the kind of person who is tolerant of most anything........But with these extremists........Ive had enough.


I think all right thinking people have. We only disagree on the methods.
 
bluespoke said:



I think all right thinking people have. We only disagree on the methods.
Agreed....bluespoke. Im off to the local British Car Day:) A nice diversion from lifes reality.
 
One more time...

The next attack will be a barge of explosives and dirty radioactive waste...

The two targets I have predicted are London and St. Louis, MO.

This ends your free reading...
 
miles said:
Like planes being used as missiles? [/QUOTE

It would have to be a plane, because if if they used a train, it would just be regarded as a normal day for our rail services.
 
MunchinMark said:
We've been living under the threat of terrorism for about 30 years now. I daresay that our police and MI5 have some idea about how to detect and deal with it by now.

Yeah, one of the outcomes of the US war on terrorism is that the senators are finally prepared to listen to what the CIA and the British have known for years. The Irish Republican Terrorists have been hand in hand with Arab and other terrorists for years. During Israels push into southern Lebenon back in the eighties Irish terrorists were captured at training camps in the Bekaa Valley.

The Pogues even included a reference to an IRA volunteer fighting against Israel in one of their songs.

"Billy got the Israelis in his sights,
ratatattat and they ran like shite."

Most of their weopanary what supplied by Libya, in exchange for what? Training in bomb making, false documents, assistance for Libyan agents abroad.

Now you have the latest discoveries that they send training teams to the FARC. Guys who like to kidnap and murder Americans. In return the IRA get cocaine to push on the streets of New York, London and Dublin.

I fully agree Dubya, you can not negotiate with terrorists.

Try them and sentance them under rule .303.
 
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