How to: two racists hook up

[MrRandyWatson]

So I've had a few ideas for something a little less...shall we say, accepted in modern, polite society. Here's my idea.

A white supremacist, after a stint in prison, gets out and ends up in a job where a couple of his prison buddies - also white supremacists - end up. During his parole, he meets a young woman who enchants him - a reformed criminal who owns her own business. As you can imagine, she's black - and doesn't think much of whites, especially one who has a visible Celtic cross tattoo.

The two ignore each other at first, and then he's assigned to work an assignment - at her business. He finds the experience of working for a black woman humiliating, but at the same time, she's not what he expected - in his views, black women are all trashy ghetto welfare queens with too many kids and no class. However, she - and her clients - are nothing like that; she's independent, hard-working, and classy - and as he figures out, very attractive.

In her mind, he's just another thug and part of the reason she has to work twice as hard as a white woman at her job, and his Celtic cross tattoos is disgusting. However, she sees that she's not that different from him - he wants to get his life back and he'll work hard to do it.

Eventually the tension turns sexual as they start to see each other less as enemies and more as having a common enemy - the society that dumps on them. They continue to argue, but the arguments turns more and more honest until he admits he's attracted to her. She resists at first - pointing to the tattoo and saying she doesn't date white men - but before they know it, they hook up in her office.

Afterwards, they can't face each other, but is assignment isn't over for another week. After another fight, the two hook up again - at which point they have to face how they feel about each other. He asks her to dinner, but she resists, pointing to his tattoo - "Talk to me when you get rid of that," she tells him.

Two weeks later, he goes to her shop again - he's covered the tattoo (I'm no tattoo artist, so I'm not sure what would make a good cover for a Celtic cross.) They end up having a wonderful night together, he decides he was wrong about what he believed, and she agrees to give the world another chance.

 

[CyranoJ]

I like the idea. Just a minor note, since it's a plot point: most non-supremacists won't automatically associate a Celtic cross with white supremacy unless it comes accompanied by other racist imagery or language. It doesn't say "racist" to the uninitiated in the same visceral way that, say, a swastika does. (I suppose the female character, having had prison experience, might be more savvy about this than most of us.)

 

[FantasyXY]

I agree with Cyrano that a swastika would be more recognizable to most readers. It's used in TV shows to indicate white supremacists all of the time.

The story would probably requite some racial slurs as well (both directions). It might be difficult to keep from going over the top with those as still leave room for sexual tension to develop. Maybe they could be uttered under the breath of the characters instead of being said outright and permanently polarizing the situation in the reader's mind.

And finally, it can be somewhat difficult to write sexual tension into a piece without characters admitting they find the other somehow appealing. This could come off badly given the initial hatred for each other.

All in all, it could be a hot story. Seems like it would be a forbidden sex sort of tale.

 

[robertreams]

I like it. It is your typical romance novel cranked up to high . The reasons they hate each other (they always do in romance stories), are much more real than most romance tales. Lots of supressed anger and hatred to be let out in their first fuck, WOW.
Maybe I'll try this one. Okay?

 

[lovecraft68]

Refreshing to see an actual well thought out and interesting idea in this forum. Much better than the usual Rape, hot mom, or "will someone write something based on a picture of my wife" that's standard here.

Like Cyrano I'll pipe in that I don't particularly associate a Celtic Cross with racism. If you want to drive that point home go with a Swastika the universal sign of racist ignorance.

Its a great idea and done right would feature a lot of conflict and tension and once they sex occurs it would be damn hot. Throw in some of his old asshole friends giving him a lot of shit and disowning him you got a lot of realism going here.

Have an idea along similar vein I have not gotten to yet. Kid is raised by a racist asshole father, when he turns eighteen he gets accepted to a college without his father knowing(dad doesn't want him in college he wants him home working to support his booze habit) he runs off to college

His room mate who becomes his best friend-and fellow member of the football team-is black and he works at a small diner where he becomes infatuated with his boss, a much older black woman.

The kid and his friend make the state papers for their football accomplishments and then dad shows up and acts like a racist shitstain at the kids job in front of his boss,

from there....maybe the boss seeing where the kid came from gains a lot of respect for him that he's not like that then either starts to get some feelings for him...or go the route of having sex with the kid just to spite the father...

Interracial would be the obvious category, but it could play in mature as well.

 

[Bramblethorn]

A white supremacist, after a stint in prison, gets out and ends up in a job where a couple of his prison buddies - also white supremacists - end up. During his parole

I know at least one commenter in this thread has more experience with the US system than I do, but my understanding is that associating with other recent ex-cons would be a clear breach of parole conditions, unless his parole officer has given permission (not likely to happen in this situation).

he meets a young woman who enchants him - a reformed criminal who owns her own business. As you can imagine, she's black - and doesn't think much of whites, especially one who has a visible Celtic cross tattoo.

I'm aware of the Celtic cross as a neo-Nazi symbol (cf Stormfront) but I agree with the other commenters here that it's likely to confuse a lot of readers.

Two weeks later, he goes to her shop again - he's covered the tattoo (I'm no tattoo artist, so I'm not sure what would make a good cover for a Celtic cross.) They end up having a wonderful night together, he decides he was wrong about what he believed, and she agrees to give the world another chance.

His buddies are NOT going to be happy about this. Story potential there...

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

It seems to me none of you understand racists at all. Cons and ex-cons are shit to real racists. Cons and niggers are the same animal. That is, poor whites always want to be a better class than blacks, and real racists are above both of them. Poor whites aren't racist, theyre antithetical.

An accurate story would include a black female ex-con wrongly convicted of a new crime, her white-boy lover, and his genteel racist lawyer father who represents the black woman but doesn't give a shit if she hangs. She's a nigger.

 

[MrRandyWatson]

I know at least one commenter in this thread has more experience with the US system than I do, but my understanding is that associating with other recent ex-cons would be a clear breach of parole conditions, unless his parole officer has given permission (not likely to happen in this situation).

In this case, it's a work assignment that a few of his old buddies just happen to be on. Probably some crooked asshole making a buck off ex-cons, seeing as how that never happens in civilized society...right?

I'm aware of the Celtic cross as a neo-Nazi symbol (cf Stormfront) but I agree with the other commenters here that it's likely to confuse a lot of readers.

I would have to develop the Celtic cross a bit - a few lines about the meaning should be enough. But then again, if I can write scenes with casino games that people aren't familiar with and not bog down the story, the Celtic cross should be no trouble.

I wanted to avoid using the swastika because I don't feel like the readers could ever empathize with someone with a swastika tattoo. That symbol generates way too much hatred. At least with something like the Celtic cross, it's more, "Yeah, he's a white supremacist, but I guess anyone can change," versus, "HE'S A FUCKING NAZI! BURN HIM!"

His buddies are NOT going to be happy about this. Story potential there...

Also true. Maybe he has to defend himself against them at one point, or he and his buddies see her in the street and decide they want to attack her, since, y'know, they're dumber than shit and don't realize they can go to prison for a long fucking time for this. But then he takes her side, and they collectively lose their shit over it and attack him. However, by the time the police arrive, he and his woman have fought them off enough, and despite being arrested, he's set free and his probation is ended for defending another from an attack, making him a free man.

 

[CyranoJ]

I wanted to avoid using the swastika because I don't feel like the readers could ever empathize with someone with a swastika tattoo.

Worked just fine for Edward Norton in American History X.

 

[lovecraft68]

Worked just fine for Edward Norton in American History X.

Kind of what I was picturing plus I think you want the guy to initially look irredeemable makes it more interesting when he "converts"

Just don't have him make anyone bite on a curb

 

[Bramblethorn]

BTW, re. ex-Nazis and tattoos, you might find it interesting to google "Bryon Widner".

 

[robertreams]

It seems to me none of you understand racists at all. Cons and ex-cons are shit to real racists. Cons and niggers are the same animal. That is, poor whites always want to be a better class than blacks, and real racists are above both of them. Poor whites aren't racist, theyre antithetical.

An accurate story would include a black female ex-con wrongly convicted of a new crime, her white-boy lover, and his genteel racist lawyer father who represents the black woman but doesn't give a shit if she hangs. She's a nigger.

I think probably members of the Aryan Nations, one of the most prolific gangs in U.S. prisons could be classified as racists by most definitions. Add that they are also widely believed to be rapists in prison, and the story fits fine. I smell bloviation.

"The largest white supremacist prison gang in Tennessee is Aryan Nations (a different group than the neo-Nazi group of the same name). Aryan Nations gang members use a hand sign they sometimes refer to as "bolts up" or "bolts to the sky," consisting of forming the hand into a pistol shape and pointing it upwards or outwards."


I have known several individuals who actually were converted from severe racism to acceptance in a very short time. Add a sexy woman of any color and a relationship is definitely possible, then maybe even a sea change.

It is fantasy and romance after all.

 

[lovecraft68]

The largest supremacist group in the world is organized religion.

Isis currently, the Catholic church through much of its history, all killing raping and stealing and forcing their ways onto anyone different from them.

Church...love it, every Sunday(or other days) people get together with like minded people and their minister tells them all about how they are the chosen and everyone different is going to hell.

Indiana...no homosexuals allowed because its against our religion...sounds like racism, hmm?

So in my opinion if you you really wanted the true symbol of racism why not just wear a cross or crucifix? Shows you're better than the rest.

Not popular opinion, but reality.

 

[Carnevil9]

I'd keep them "in hate" with each other, but they both feel turned on by the rage. So they fuck - aggressively, angrily, savagely - and it's the best sex either of them have ever had. They still hate each other, but they become addicted to each other's bodies, and the insane pleasure they give each other.

 

[CyranoJ]

Depends on if you want to write a few brief encounters or an actual relationship, I guess. I could see the appeal of either.

 

[Magnetron]

How to: two racists hook up

Nobody wants to read about JamesB and Busybody hooking up.

 

[rosco rathbone]

I'd keep them "in hate" with each other, but they both feel turned on by the rage. So they fuck - aggressively, angrily, savagely - and it's the best sex either of them have ever had. They still hate each other, but they become addicted to each other's bodies, and the insane pleasure they give each other.

I agree.

Hate is an important and permanent part of life.

 

[lovecraft68]

I agree.

Hate is an important and permanent part of life.

That shows in your its okay to beat your woman sig.

What a big bad ass man you are.

I think its more than okay to beat the shit out of men with your attitude. But something tells me in your case a woman would put up more of a fight then you.

 

[robertreams]

Here! Here! Never were truer words spoken. All the slave owners used their Christian bible as justification for their slavery, but not the other part that said they shouldn't be fucking their property. Lately I have run into a few accounts of homosexual rape of slaves on plantations. How would their "Christianity" justify that?

 

[MrRandyWatson]

Here! Here! Never were truer words spoken. All the slave owners used their Christian bible as justification for their slavery, but not the other part that said they shouldn't be fucking their property. Lately I have run into a few accounts of homosexual rape of slaves on plantations. How would their "Christianity" justify that?

They saw slaves as chattel, not people. Not sure how they separate that from bestiality, but I'm sure they could do some mental gymnastics to make it work.

I could keep the two "in hate" with each other, and I probably would for much of the story. However, at some point he's going to have to decide between his beliefs - and the people who share them - and the woman he's fucking and developing feelings for besides hate. Furthermore, I like the idea of the feelings turning more honest as time goes on - less to do with race and more to do with the bullshit they both deal with in life and the weaknesses they see in each other - and that would turn their relationship from hate-fucking to something deeper.

 

[Carnevil9]

Here! Here! Never were truer words spoken. All the slave owners used their Christian bible as justification for their slavery, but not the other part that said they shouldn't be fucking their property. Lately I have run into a few accounts of homosexual rape of slaves on plantations. How would their "Christianity" justify that?

Who says you shouldn't be fucking your own property? What if you own a blow-up doll? Or a Fleshlight?

 

[Hypoxia]

Who says you shouldn't be fucking your own property? What if you own a blow-up doll? Or a Fleshlight?

That's fine as long as you don't try to convert them to your religion. I suppose dressing-up your blow-up as a nun (or choirboy) is okay, too. The Fleshlight is a sacred wand, right? Or a receptacle for same. Whatever.

Anyway, property is property to be used as you wish, right? Fuck the doll. Fuck the slaves (and their children). Male slaves are just dildos and mouths, right? Fuck the goat. Don't fuck the ukulele unless it's packed with raw liver.

 

[robertreams]

Or other chattel such as a goat or a horse or a pig?

 

[CyranoJ]

That escalated quickly.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

I think probably members of the Aryan Nations, one of the most prolific gangs in U.S. prisons could be classified as racists by most definitions. Add that they are also widely believed to be rapists in prison, and the story fits fine. I smell bloviation.

"The largest white supremacist prison gang in Tennessee is Aryan Nations (a different group than the neo-Nazi group of the same name). Aryan Nations gang members use a hand sign they sometimes refer to as "bolts up" or "bolts to the sky," consisting of forming the hand into a pistol shape and pointing it upwards or outwards."


I have known several individuals who actually were converted from severe racism to acceptance in a very short time. Add a sexy woman of any color and a relationship is definitely possible, then maybe even a sea change.

It is fantasy and romance after all.

I minored in anthropology so we understand RACISM differently.

The rule of thumb is this: societies located in the tropics differ significantly from societies located outside the tropics. Experts blame temperate climes for greater challenges for whites and Asians. Life in the tropics is pretty much static. The worlds best swimmers do not come from tropical climes where crocodiles fill all the rivers and lakes. In Florida our native crocodiles do not eat humans as humans came here in recent times. Alligators eat humans because their habitat is greater in area. They ate Indians for 1000s of years. So its racist to attribute swimming talent to particular racial groups.

Records don't validate theories of racial animosity in the US. Racial animosity was about as common as interracial sexual fraternization for much of our history. One of my ancestors made 20 kids with 2 slaves he owned, and he had 10 kids by his white wife.