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The recent Elliot Rodger knifing and shooting rampage - in which he killed 2 women and 4 men - has fired up feminists into a witch hunt alarmingly similar to the ire America had toward Germans, Japanese and Muslims. While the Germans and Japanese suffered a real loss of their liberties, feminists are now petitioning President Obama to do the very same thing to Men's Rights Activists (MRAs) - by demanding he define them as a terrorist group.
Does America ever learn its lesson that just because you're part of one large group of people (in this case the manosphere, a collective term for men who advocate for men's concerns), doesn't mean subgroups within that group, are all the same?
Nope, it seems, America never learns. We go to war with the Germans, we throw our own German citizens into internment camps. We get attacked at Pearl Harbor, we throw our own Japanese citizens into internment camps. We lose thousands of lives to Islamic terrorist attacks, and before you know it, we're hating on Islam and crapping ourselves when a Muslim puts on an airline pilot uniform or tries to do his job as a Secret Service agent. It is no surprise, then, that once feminists mis-identify a man as a MRA, a group they already hate, there is an outcry to label them all as terrorists and thus deprive them of basic human rights. Guantanamo, Abu Ghraib butt pyramids, you know how it goes: feminists would love to see that happen.
This is ironic, since this could easily be said of feminism:
https://31.media.tumblr.com/4c9b8c9c78e3f0d4bdac61aabc0ff070/tumblr_inline_n6tbymXTwy1ri344e.jpg
And this, this, this, this, and this could also be said of the entire womansphere, particularly feminism. Imagine being held accountable for women who say mothers shouldn't breastfeed baby boys, women who file false rape charges, or women who cheer other women who kill their boyfriends, or for a feminist magazine that brags about beating up their boyfriends, all for no reason except they're psychopaths. But I digress.
Essentially, there is little difference between this fear of MRAs and Islamophobia, Germanophobia, and Japanophobia - and what little difference there is, is created by the fact that America was in fact at war with Germany (twice), America was in fact attacked by Japan, we were in fact attacked by a handful of Muslims on 9/11 - but the mass shootings of women were not even carried out by MRAs. But the MRAs are part of the manosphere, after all, and Al Qaeda identifies itself as Islamic, do they not?
Yes, the Men's Rights Movement is part of the manosphere... except when you consider the number of women who call themselves MRAs. We make room for women, unlike radical feminists who barely tolerate men in their midst. But no, we are not the entire manosphere - any more than Phyllis Schlafly, Sarah Palin and their traditionalist, misogynist ilk, are part of the Feminist movement.
Assuming the reader has not flown into an irrational rage by now, they must now be asking: what differentiates MRAs from the rest of the manosphere?
Glad you asked.
Here is just some of the big things that make MRAs significantly different from the manosphere in general - especially every last site that Elliot Rodger visited, and every last thing he ever said.
This is not to say that Men's Rights groups are perfect. Some MRAs are Republicans, despite the Republican party's strong record of sending men to their deaths in pointless wars and their adherence to the culture of traditional gender roles. Self-proclaimed MRA leaders like Paul Elam say he would acquit all men accused of rape. The Red Pill on Reddit is in fact a seething mass of misogyny from people who actually call themselves MRAs, and would have be the closest match for Rodger's mindset. MRAs can be just as silent about violence that happens to women as feminists are about violence that happens to men. But now feminists also have, in their midst, women who call for the extermination of men. Valerie Solanas, anyone? And there's also the "Kill All Men" gangs roaming Tumblr and Twitter. Do we fault feminists for that? Of course not.
But even if Elliot Rodger had ever actually visited a Men's Rights website, or espoused even one Men's Rights point of view - which he never did - there is still the fatal flaw in feminist reasoning. That flaw is, you don't demonize an entire group of people because of the actions of a few. This tactic is what we in the African American community have suffered under, for at least the last 150 years since we became free citizens in this country. Black men rape, Muslims bomb things, Germans and Japanese will go to war against America for the "homeland", and MRAs (including, hilariously enough, the WOMEN who call themselves MRAs) rape, shoot and hate women.
By the way, feminists, nearly half the country's voters went for Mitt "war on women and everyone but rich males" Romney in 2012. Going by your logic, you should be screaming for America's downfall.
Does America ever learn its lesson that just because you're part of one large group of people (in this case the manosphere, a collective term for men who advocate for men's concerns), doesn't mean subgroups within that group, are all the same?
Nope, it seems, America never learns. We go to war with the Germans, we throw our own German citizens into internment camps. We get attacked at Pearl Harbor, we throw our own Japanese citizens into internment camps. We lose thousands of lives to Islamic terrorist attacks, and before you know it, we're hating on Islam and crapping ourselves when a Muslim puts on an airline pilot uniform or tries to do his job as a Secret Service agent. It is no surprise, then, that once feminists mis-identify a man as a MRA, a group they already hate, there is an outcry to label them all as terrorists and thus deprive them of basic human rights. Guantanamo, Abu Ghraib butt pyramids, you know how it goes: feminists would love to see that happen.
This is ironic, since this could easily be said of feminism:
https://31.media.tumblr.com/4c9b8c9c78e3f0d4bdac61aabc0ff070/tumblr_inline_n6tbymXTwy1ri344e.jpg
And this, this, this, this, and this could also be said of the entire womansphere, particularly feminism. Imagine being held accountable for women who say mothers shouldn't breastfeed baby boys, women who file false rape charges, or women who cheer other women who kill their boyfriends, or for a feminist magazine that brags about beating up their boyfriends, all for no reason except they're psychopaths. But I digress.
Essentially, there is little difference between this fear of MRAs and Islamophobia, Germanophobia, and Japanophobia - and what little difference there is, is created by the fact that America was in fact at war with Germany (twice), America was in fact attacked by Japan, we were in fact attacked by a handful of Muslims on 9/11 - but the mass shootings of women were not even carried out by MRAs. But the MRAs are part of the manosphere, after all, and Al Qaeda identifies itself as Islamic, do they not?
Yes, the Men's Rights Movement is part of the manosphere... except when you consider the number of women who call themselves MRAs. We make room for women, unlike radical feminists who barely tolerate men in their midst. But no, we are not the entire manosphere - any more than Phyllis Schlafly, Sarah Palin and their traditionalist, misogynist ilk, are part of the Feminist movement.
Assuming the reader has not flown into an irrational rage by now, they must now be asking: what differentiates MRAs from the rest of the manosphere?
Glad you asked.
Here is just some of the big things that make MRAs significantly different from the manosphere in general - especially every last site that Elliot Rodger visited, and every last thing he ever said.
- Men's Rights Activists are virulently opposed to traditional gender roles. Traditional gender roles restrict our freedoms and runs contrary to the concept of individual liberty. This literally separates, and often alienates us, from almost every other faction in the Manosphere. It alienates us from Return of Kings, it clearly alienates us from the Republican Party, and it alienates us from Pickup Artists, who believe in men taking up (and "mastering") the traditional role of pursuing women.
- Elliot Rodger wanted to kill men to establish himself as an alpha male; indeed he talked about making a virus that wiped out most or all men except himself so that he'd be the alpha male by sheer, tragic default. Now ask yourself, why would a men's rights activist talk about wiping out the male species whose rights he's trying to defend? He wouldn't. MRAs are obsessed with ending male expendability - now think about how that contrasts with Elliot Rodger, who killed 4 men and proposed to wipe out most of male-kind.
- Speaking of alpha males, MRAs don't believe in perpetuating the alpha male/beta male hierarchal system that women traditionally enforce upon men. Elliot Rodger was obsessed with being an Alpha male; MRAs are obsessed with eliminating the alpha/beta male game altogether. MRAs fight against the sexist standards that define and vilify men as weak while giving women a free pass for the same traits. See the whole gender role thing.
- Men's Rights groups believe in equality. We do not believe in preferential treatment for men or women. We do not want the Patriarchy to come back - because we do not want to perpetuate the concept of male expendability that comes with both feminism AND the Patriarchy. Most importantly, some MRA groups explicitly support the Equal Rights Amendment.
This is not to say that Men's Rights groups are perfect. Some MRAs are Republicans, despite the Republican party's strong record of sending men to their deaths in pointless wars and their adherence to the culture of traditional gender roles. Self-proclaimed MRA leaders like Paul Elam say he would acquit all men accused of rape. The Red Pill on Reddit is in fact a seething mass of misogyny from people who actually call themselves MRAs, and would have be the closest match for Rodger's mindset. MRAs can be just as silent about violence that happens to women as feminists are about violence that happens to men. But now feminists also have, in their midst, women who call for the extermination of men. Valerie Solanas, anyone? And there's also the "Kill All Men" gangs roaming Tumblr and Twitter. Do we fault feminists for that? Of course not.
But even if Elliot Rodger had ever actually visited a Men's Rights website, or espoused even one Men's Rights point of view - which he never did - there is still the fatal flaw in feminist reasoning. That flaw is, you don't demonize an entire group of people because of the actions of a few. This tactic is what we in the African American community have suffered under, for at least the last 150 years since we became free citizens in this country. Black men rape, Muslims bomb things, Germans and Japanese will go to war against America for the "homeland", and MRAs (including, hilariously enough, the WOMEN who call themselves MRAs) rape, shoot and hate women.
By the way, feminists, nearly half the country's voters went for Mitt "war on women and everyone but rich males" Romney in 2012. Going by your logic, you should be screaming for America's downfall.
