How the get the little H, trends in Reader Voting

JamesSD

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I'm a scientist by trade and a stats junkie at heart. I love how literotica compiles stats for stories. There is a goldmine of information available if you know how to glean it.

I set out to figure out how rare the red "H" for Hot stories (stories w/at least 10 votes and an average score of 4.5 or better) is, and how category affects voting. In science we like to give away our answers at the start and then spend the rest of the space trying to defend our arguement, unlike literature which often saves a bit of suspense for the end. So, the answers are: Roughly 1 in 3 stories will garner the H, and Romance has the highest rate by far of all measurably categories.

Methodology:
On April 25th, 2005 I went through the "new" stories for the past week as linked off of the main page and counted the number of stories from each category and how many were "hot" at the time of counting. New stories were used as it seemed the most apt way of getting a random sampling of "typical" stories and also allowed comparisons of the number of stories posted in different categories. One potential drawback is that new stories may not have "matured" fully and could reflect discrepencies in reader voting trends between those who read the new story list and those who vote later if they like an author or find the story some other way. Still, personal experience has told me that well over half of the votes for a given story will occur while it is on the new list, and that scores tend to stay pretty stable after the first 20-odd votes.

Results:
Of 348 stories posted that week, 117 were rated as "hot", giving a percentage of 33.62%. This number rounds nicely to an approximation of 1 in 3.

Hot Categories:
Discerning the effect of category was more difficult than anticipated due to small sample size in the more niche categories. Still, voting trends clearly emerge. 13 categories had at least 10 stories posted during the sample period. Of the smaller categories only two fell outside of what I'd call "average" and I will address those categories separately.

Romance has an amazing rate of "hot" stories, with 12 of 16 posted. This breaks down to 75%. The only categories that came even close were Incest/Taboo with 19 of 34 (55.8%) Hot and Transexuals/Cross Dressers which only had 7 stories, 4 of which were Hot for 57.1%. However, Transsexual's numbers were likely skewed by a rather popular serial story, the chapters of which represented 2 of 3 hot stories in the category.

Of the categories with at least ten stories, Erotic Couplings, Non-consent/Reluctance, Celebrities and BDSM posted the lowest hot %, with Erotic couplings doing the best at 22.5% and BDSM with the lowest at 18.75%. Sci Fi/Fantasy posted only 1 in 7 hot, which is a small sample size. Still, it seems reasonable to me that Sci Fi audiences would be difficult to please, likely requiring enjoyment of both the setting and the sexual encounter(s) to give a high score. Non-consent didn't surprise me because it can be a touchy subject even among those who enjoy taboo. I've noticed Celebrities often attracts more than its fair share of poor authors (though it does have some excellent ones as all categories do), and it may also have difficulty in portraying the subject whom the audience has preconcieved notions about in a way that pleases them. BDSM is an extremely difficult category to write in, and probably encounters personal taste issues such as level of extremeness and who is the dominant partner.

Erotic Couplings is a bit of a surprise as it tends to be a bit of a "catch-all" category and represented the largest number of stories, 40. One would expect that these facts would drive it straight to the middle of the field, so it's interesting it fell so far. My guess is that because it is so broad a category it probably has a large readership with broad interests. This might explain difficulties in completely satisfying a high percentage of the readers.

Number of stories posted
The top ten most prevalent categories in order were
Erotic Couplings
Incest
BDSM
Loving Wives
Group Sex
Non consent
Novels
Romance
Exhibitionism
Gay
Lesbian
Fetish
Celebrities

With the other categories all posting under ten stories. It's difficult to say much about it without introducing a large degree of personal bias, but I will say it struck me how prevalent incest stories are in addition to posting a high "hot" percentage. Incest fantasies may in fact be quite common, although incest may also benefit in terms of hot % from being a category that those who don't enjoy will largely stay away from.

Conclusions
Approximately 1 in 3 stories posted on Literotica will have the Hot "H" while on the New stories list. Of the Literotica categories, Romance and Incest/taboo post significantly higher rates of "hot" stories than other categories.

I hope you found my little pseudo-scientific data collection amusing if not interesting. I may follow-up if time permits, as I have interest in collecting a larger sample to really analyze the smaller categories.
 
JamesSD said:
Conclusions
Approximately 1 in 3 stories posted on Literotica will have the Hot "H" while on the New stories list. Of the Literotica categories, Romance and Incest/taboo post significantly higher rates of "hot" stories than other categories.

I hope you found my little pseudo-scientific data collection amusing if not interesting. I may follow-up if time permits, as I have interest in collecting a larger sample to really analyze the smaller categories.
James,

First of all, welcome to the AH.

I found your work both interesting and in general agreement with a very informal analysis I did last year. Your results also agree with the prevailing opinion among many AH regulars that BDSM readers score tough and Romance readers tend to be kind.

There's a theory that Romance and Incest stories tend to do well for the factors you mentioned and because the very nature of those categories tends to impose some elements of a traditional story form upon the writer.

Rumple Foreskin :cool:
 
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Position

One factor you ignored is position in the list. Poems definitely and stories probably score many more reads if they are positioned near the top of the new poems/stories list. What is not so obvious is the relationship between the number read, the number scored and position. :)
 
Interesting point

ishtat said:
One factor you ignored is position in the list. Poems definitely and stories probably score many more reads if they are positioned near the top of the new poems stories list. What is not so obvious is the relationship between the number read, the number scored and position. :)

Interesting point, and very difficult to test without a lot of hassle. But it's sort of common sense too.
I wasn't really trying to look at number of reads as voting scores, which I'd imagine would be less affected by position on the list.
 
Cool that your analysis agrees

Rumple Foreskin said:
James,

First of all, welcome to the AH.

I found your work both interesting and in general agreement with a very informal analysis I did last year. Your results also agree with the prevailing opinion among many AH regulars that BDSM readers score tough and Romance readers tend to be kind.

There's a theory that Romance and Incest stories tend to do well for the factors you mentioned and because the very nature of those categories tends to impose some elements of a traditional story form upon the writer.
Thanks for the welcome. I checked out your story list and can say you are probably an expert on differences in the categories.
I'm not sure I agree with the theory that Incest has imposed elements, at least not like Romance. But then again it seems a bit more variable in voting than romance.
 
Hi and welcome James :)

Incest has to have a relative in it---that's kinda fixed *LOL*

I find your findings fascinating. I am easily impressed by science *chuckles* it was never my strong point. Far to organised for my liking...and dangerous. (Says she who helped accidently set her partners school bag on fire once in science class)

Anyhow, welcome and thanks for the insights :)
 
English Lady said:
Hi and welcome James :)

Incest has to have a relative in it---that's kinda fixed *LOL*

I find your findings fascinating. I am easily impressed by science *chuckles* it was never my strong point. Far to organised for my liking...and dangerous. (Says she who helped accidently set her partners school bag on fire once in science class)

Anyhow, welcome and thanks for the insights :)


My rule of thumb on Incest is that the relative has to be very close. Brother/sister, Mother/son, Father/daughter are the only relationships that are going to stand a reasonable chance of an H. Any more distant relation is a waste of the writer's effort.

Incest stories are just like Erotic Couplings except for the obligatory feelings of guilt. Statements like 'We shouldn't be doing this'; 'How could I do this to my ?'; have to be added at intervals.

Og
 
oggbashan said:
My rule of thumb on Incest is that the relative has to be very close. Brother/sister, Mother/son, Father/daughter are the only relationships that are going to stand a reasonable chance of an H. Any more distant relation is a waste of the writer's effort.

Incest stories are just like Erotic Couplings except for the obligatory feelings of guilt. Statements like 'We shouldn't be doing this'; 'How could I do this to my ?'; have to be added at intervals.

Og

I beg to differ... Aunt/Nephew is pretty good as long as the aunt is the identical twin sister of the mom ;)

Sincerely,
ElSol
 
JamesSD said:
Interesting point, and very difficult to test without a lot of hassle. But it's sort of common sense too.
I wasn't really trying to look at number of reads as voting scores, which I'd imagine would be less affected by position on the list.

James.. as far as story positioning counts....

One thing I discovered was that probably 90% of my votes come while the story is in the "New" category. Secondly that the higher up the list.. the more views/votes you get.

I wrote one story titled Up Up and Away about 6 or 7 months ago. It was a big week for stories when I submitted it and at the time the new stories were being posted in alphabetical order. That story debued on page 2 (toward the middle of the page) of the new category. In six months it has just 11 votes!

I noticed the alphabetical bias and wrote one in about 2 hours. Named the characters to get the names in the A's.... Aaron, Amy and Me. It debued as the second story in the new list.... result... lousy story.... BIG numbers. One night it wasn't approved. In the morning not only had it been approved but had over 150 votes!!!! Oh yeah.. and the highest rated story I wrote (and I think it sucks).

As for my belief... the closer to the top of the new list... the better the chances!
 
Interesting works James. And welcome to the AH.

I think one of the main reasons that Romance does so well is because the people that read it tend to want a story, rather than a wank piece. And I believe that the writers want the same thing as well.

The reverse applies, I believe, to Erotic Couplings. I think the huge majority of the readers there are simply looking to get off, so anything encumbered with a story and characters is going to detract from that. On the other hand, without a story etc., a wank piece is going to be dull. So it's difficult to write an H in that category.

The other categories are defined by their conventions. BDSM, as you pointed out, is probably the most difficult, as there is such a range of extremes in it.

I'm going to find out. My next piece is BDSM.
 
I thought I'd analyse my own stories:

This is the state of the 103 posted stories today:

Have they got an H?
Yes; No
Chain Stories 2; Nil
Erotic Couplings Nil; 1
Erotic Horror 1; 4
Exhibitionist Nil; 1
Fetish 8; 12
Humor/Satire 2; 4
Incest/Taboo Nil; 2
Loving Wives Nil; 2
Mature 3; 1
Mind Control 1; 2
Non-Erotic Nil; 1
Non-Human 1; Nil
Novels/Novellas 16; 7
Romance 5; 10
Sci-Fi/Fantasy 7; 9
Toys/ Masturbation 1; Nil
==; ==
Totals 47; 56


What does that prove?

Nothing much, except that I am probably NOT a good person to ask to improve your ratings.

Og
 
oggbashan said:
My rule of thumb on Incest is that the relative has to be very close. Brother/sister, Mother/son, Father/daughter are the only relationships that are going to stand a reasonable chance of an H. Any more distant relation is a waste of the writer's effort.


Og

In most of the world, any more distant relationship doesn't count as incest.
 
Welcome to the AH, James, and thanks for the analysis!

Having written two ECs and two BDSMs, it was interesting to see how the stats break out since I don't have anything to compare them to across categories. My BDSMs definitely get a lot more views and votes than the ECs, though not necessarily more votes percentage-wise.

Another variable is fan base (no, I don't have one, but some people do, I've heard!). I don't know how you'd be able to account for that, though.
 
LadyJeanne said:
Another variable is fan base (no, I don't have one, but some people do, I've heard!). I don't know how you'd be able to account for that, though.

You could try to acount for fan base, it would be a lot of hassle and you'd have a hard time feeling like you really succeeded. I did consider looking at longer running stories and seeing if Ch 2, Ch 3 tended to do better, on the hypothesis that by the later chapters the only people reading would be those who enjoyed the story and were more likely to give 5s. But at a glance it didn't seem true. Anecdotally I've seen the occasional story that the first chapter misses the H while the rest succeed, but I've seen enough where the chapters fluctuate to know reader voting isn't automatic.

Wow I sound like I'm really obsessing over votes. Honestly I write to please myself, and post only hoping that other people will get some enjoyment out of my work as well.
 
Hi James!

Very interesting stuff. Thanks for taking the time to do this and for sharing the results with us.

Lou - who now feels pretty good about the H's she's got in particular categories. ;)
 
Since I didn't say it before welcome James

lou... as for you... you yourself.. you get a great big H....

how could anything you do not?
 
Follow-up

I did a repeat of the "study" this time going from the new story list from May 14th to May 20th. I chose to throw out the stories that are part of the Free Speech contest since they probably aren't representative of "average" stories.

Erotic Couplings, Incest, Loving Wives, and BDSM are still the "big dogs" in terms of raw percentage of stories posted, in order of prevalence. In fact these for categories make up more than 43% of the stories posted on Literotica.

Literotica seems to be growing. The difference between 348 and 452 posted stories is significant enough to be big enough to be more than random. Perhaps a Summertime effect?

Overall "Hot" percentage was almost perfectly stable, going from 33.91% to 33.85%. The "1 in 3" is still wonderful.

Category Changes:
Romance and Incest remained as "soft" categories, with well over 50% recieving "hot" ratings in the sum of the two studies.
The larger sample has led me to believe that "Gay" and "Mature" arent' far behind, with both posting hot % in the 50% range.

BDSM, Loving Wives and Erotic Couplings remained tougher than average, hovering around 22% hot. Celebrities emerged as another "hard" category, with the lowest hot % of all categories with more than 10 stories.

Summary:
"Soft" Categories (>10 stories, >40% hot):
Romance, Mature, Incest, Gay, Novels, Non-erotic, Exhibitionism (softest first)

"Hard" Categories (>10 stories, <27% hot):
Celebrities, Non-consent/Reluctance, Erotic Couplings, BDSM, Loving Wives (hardest first)

"Average" Categories (>10 stories, 27-40% hot):
Transexuals, Lesbian, Group Sex, Interracial Love, First Time, Fetish, Sci Fi, Anal (softest first)

Inconclusive (categories with less than 10 stories, in order of %hot):
Mind Control, Non Human, Erotic Horror, How To, Text w/Audio, Humor, Toys, Letters and Transcripts, Chain Stories, Reviews and Essays

Is it the Authors or the Readers:
I've been pondering how much of the differences are based on the way the category's readership votes, and how much could be attributable to the quality of authorship that posts in the category.

I would imagine your more serious authors would be drawn to Romance, which focuses more on characters and plot than say, Anal. Celebrities is a category notorious for attracting a higher percentage of poor writing.

How do we test this? By looking at prolific writers who cross categories and see if there is an increased "hot" effect for certain categories with the author kept constant. This will be challenging to control and not something I care to take on right now, but maybe a month or two from now :)
 
Welcome to the AH James. As a fellow scientist, let me just say... you have way too much time on your hands. ;)
 
Hehe

elizabethwest said:
Welcome to the AH James. As a fellow scientist, let me just say... you have way too much time on your hands. ;)

No, see I actually don't. I just enjoy avoiding my real work a little too much, so I make up fake work :)
 
elizabethwest said:
LOL! You sound just like me...

Well they do say great minds think alike.
Really though, this took about an hour and a half, maybe two hours. It's a lot more gratifying that some of my experiments that take days and months to get results :)
 
JamesSD said:
Well they do say great minds think alike.
Really though, this took about an hour and a half, maybe two hours. It's a lot more gratifying that some of my experiments that take days and months to get results :)
I remember those days... If you are a biologist, I may swoon...
 
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