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Can't Anyone Afford My Home?

By Money Magazine's Stephen Gandel and Amanda Gengler

Sep 24th, 2008

Prices have dropped. A lot. But it's still surprisingly hard to find buyers.

(Money Magazine) -- Maybe you've started thinking that now you can finally find a buyer for your house. After all, this summer the National Association of Homebuilders asserted that houses were more affordable than at any time during the previous four years. Prices have slid so far that many homes are now within the reach of people who couldn't buy during the bubble.

Other faintly cheery facts have emerged too. Sales of existing homes were 3% brisker in July than June, and in several metropolitan areas - among them Boston and Denver - the market seems to be turning around.

When examined closely, however, those glimmers of better times ahead seem to fade. Sure, lower prices can help you sell, but you also have to know whether there are enough people who can afford to pay the price you want.

That, in turn, depends on a mix of factors including the financing that buyers can get, whether there are enough of them who want to live where you do, their other housing options and how they feel about investing so much in an asset whose future appreciation is iffy.

"Price is just one of many variables that go into a decision to buy a house," says real estate analyst Michael Larson of Weiss Research, a Jupiter, Fla. investment newsletter publisher. "Many other factors are overriding price right now. That's why the market remains challenged."
The long fall

Price, though, is still the primary measure of affordability for any buyer. And while the median price for an existing house has tumbled 8% from $230,100 to $212,400 since its peak in 2006, according to the National Association of Realtors, many potential buyers still see asking prices as expensive.

And they're not wrong. That $212,400 house, after all, costs 39% more than it did back in pre-boom 2001 when it sold for about $153,100. Prices in red-hot markets such as Miami became even more inflated during the boom and are still up about twice as high as they were in 2001.

So while homes are selling at a discount, they're not on clearance - not yet anyway. Peak to trough, the median-priced home nationwide is projected to fall as much as 20%, bottoming out around $185,000 by late 2009, according to a July report from Wachovia.

"Houses may be more affordable, but they will probably be even more affordable next year," says Nigel Gault, chief U.S. economist at Global Insight, an economic forecasting firm. "So why buy now?"
Crunched credit

The price may be right, but if buyers can't borrow enough, the house isn't affordable. Difficulty borrowing is keeping many Americans from buying. "The industry went from little or no credit standards to credit standards on steroids," says Marc Savitt, president of the National Association of Mortgage Brokers.

According to the Federal Reserve Board, about 85% of lenders, worried about falling prices and rising foreclosures, have stiffened requirements for borrowers in the past three months. Those with a credit score of 600 or lower cannot get loans at all, says Keith Gumbinger of HSH Associates, a mortgage information publisher.

The upshot: 21 million, or 13% of those who have credit records, many of whom would have qualified for mortgages during the bubble, can no longer do so.

Those whose credit scores are high enough to qualify for a mortgage will likely pay more. Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, which set the lending criteria for most loans, in November will require a 740 score, up from 680 for buyers to escape a surcharge that ultimately increases their interest rate.

As a result, the 33 million Americans whose scores fall between 680 and 740 (roughly 20% of adults with credit histories) may have to pay half a percentage point more to borrow. On a $300,000, 30-year loan, that would add about $100 to a buyer's monthly payment.
Adios, easy money

Back in the go-go years, lenders fell all over themselves to make no-down-payment loans. Those are gone, and lenders want some skin in the game, at least 5%. But to avoid paying extra, most buyers need the full 20% demanded in days of yore. To buy a $400,000 house, a family would now have to amass $80,000 in cash, up from $20,000 or less a few years ago.

Buyers also face higher interest rates, which allow them to borrow less. In mid-2004 a borrower with good credit could have qualified for a rate of 5.87% on a 30-year fixed $300,000 loan. That translates to a monthly payment of $1,774. Now, with the rate for the same loan at 6.57%, the same monthly payment could support a loan of just $278,500.

Back in the day, option ARMs and other exotic mortgages with low teaser rates helped struggling purchasers stretch to buy houses that they could not otherwise afford. Those deals have largely disappeared.

And while banks once allowed a homeowner's monthly principal, interest, taxes and insurance (PITI) to make up as much as 45% of a family's before-tax income, now buyers are restricted to using only 32% for a house payment. If PITI rises beyond that limit, banks consider the loan unaffordable and the family cannot receive a mortgage.

That limit boosts the amount of income a homeowner needs to purchase. Say your house has dropped from $425,000 to about $395,000. A couple of years ago a family needed an income of only $80,000 to buy. Now, even though the house costs less, a prospective buyer must have an income of $92,000.
Less expensive options

Rental prices are looking good in many areas. Christopher Mayer, a Columbia University real estate professor, recently found that in 11 of 16 top cities, renting is a better deal compared to buying than it has been historically.

The extra expense of owning was offset by rising house values - at least a few years ago. Now that new buyers can no longer count on steep appreciation, they have less incentive to buy.

And it's not as if rents are standing still while your house's price falls. "Competition from vacant houses or condos that people can't sell is driving down rental rates," says Hessam Nadji, managing director of research at Marcus & Millichap Real Estate Investment Services in Encino, Calif.
The big pinch

A house is only affordable if a homeowner can meet its monthly payment and have enough left over to live on. Incomes rose by about 5% in the first half of the year, but few people feel as though they're better off.

Americans spent an extra $165 billion, or 26% more, on gasoline and oil in the first six months than over the same period last year, and food bills rose by 7%. Without a doubt, most Americans feel pinched.

If you live in an area dominated by financial companies or car makers, two sectors shedding jobs in the current downturn, you may encounter even less appetite to buy.

If the economic turmoil continues, vacation destinations like Las Vegas or Orlando could suffer a drop-off in business that would leave prospective buyers with less in their pockets.

"Not only is the amount of money people have to spend on housing in decline but because a house is a risky asset, the amount they want to spend on it is falling too," says Michael Englund, chief economist at Action Economics, a forecasting firm.
Buyers being wary

That fear may be the biggest obstacle keeping buyers from knocking on your door. During the boom, people were willing to spend as much as they did on housing because they thought that they were putting away money for retirement or college. And they could draw on their equity for renovations or other goodies.

If homes rose in value faster than stocks, as they did for a few years, homeowners could console themselves that forgoing 401(k) contributions for high mortgage payments was a sensible strategy.

Few these days think of real estate as a safe place to invest, however. According to Gallup, only 27% of the population believe a home is their best long-term investment, down from 50% in 2002.

"Nearly a quarter of potential buyers are on the sidelines waiting for some form of encouragement," says Walter Molony, spokesman for the National Association of Realtors. Maybe they're looking for some sign that houses have truly become more affordable. The price declines haven't done that yet.
 
I can't, I buried all mine in the backyard and no fucking way am I digging it up.
 
I'm trying to buy my first place, and I have impeccable credit. But now banks want 20% down. What good is having good credit if the banks don't?
 
Wait 6 months to a year, you'll get a whale of a deal.

It won't matter how good of a deal it is, if the credit crunch issue isn't resolved, you won't be able to buy anything unless you're a strict cash buyer...

The housing market is continuing to eat itself and no one is addressing the issue.
 
*buys three houses next to mine as union auto workers move out.*
 
Saving money isn't that tough if you get rid of stuff you can't afford/don't need.
Besides, who says everyone deserves a house? That's what got us into this situation in the first place. What's wrong with renting an apartment?

Not being sarcastic, just saying.
 
It won't matter how good of a deal it is, if the credit crunch issue isn't resolved, you won't be able to buy anything unless you're a strict cash buyer...

The housing market is continuing to eat itself and no one is addressing the issue.
I hope they never do.

Houses will get so cheap that a kid working at Mickey D's will be able to afford them on cash. :D
 
Saving money isn't that tough if you get rid of stuff you can't afford/don't need.
Besides, who says everyone deserves a house? That's what got us into this situation in the first place. What's wrong with renting an apartment?

Not being sarcastic, just saying.
Eventually a mortgage gets paid off, but rent stays forever; ever seen an apartment where rent didn't go up in price? And then if you have a family, there's not enough room. No garages, which means bigger risk of having your car broken into or stolen.

I can find many things wrong with living in an apartment.
 
Eventually a mortgage gets paid off, but rent stays forever; ever seen an apartment where rent didn't go up in price? And then if you have a family, there's not enough room. No garages, which means bigger risk of having your car broken into or stolen.

I can find many things wrong with living in an apartment.

You forgot no maintenance bills, not having to buy a mower and weed eater...

It'd be great if everyone could afford a house but that just isn't the case.
 
You forgot no maintenance bills, not having to buy a mower and weed eater...

It'd be great if everyone could afford a house but that just isn't the case.
Problem is you also have fools like Cap'n Amatrixca who believe you shouldn't have the right to even vote unless you own land. No joke.

Oh and there's a few other things you can't do with an apartment - put in solar panels to save electric bills, add on more space, make a subsistence garden (which has become more popular as of late), and that's the short list.

Home ownership is as much about freedom as it is about anything else.

BUT!!! let's just talk about life the way it is now.

Many homeowners looking to sell their homes, cannot.
 
You forgot no maintenance bills, not having to buy a mower and weed eater...

It'd be great if everyone could afford a house but that just isn't the case.

You still have all those bills you just pay them through your rent.
 
Not according to "John Beck", not that he would bullshit you too much, just enough for you to buy his method, and don't get me wrong some of the things he tells you are correct, but then again the library will tell you the same thing for free.

The credit it out there, you just have to look for it.
 
How many Litsters need a $400,000 home? I realize that the market in other areas (California comes to mind) is much higher than in my area but for a first time home buyer that sounds awfully pricey.

I liked the article. Given that too easy credit is what got us into this mess, what other option do lenders have other than to tighten up?
 
How many Litsters need a $400,000 home? I realize that the market in other areas (California comes to mind) is much higher than in my area but for a first time home buyer that sounds awfully pricey.

I liked the article. Given that too easy credit is what got us into this mess, what other option do lenders have other than to tighten up?

No, Giving too easy credit is NOT what got us into this mess... It was a compounding factor, but if you take away the means to get easy credit for those who deserve it, who have earned it.. then this crisis will not fix itself. You will have no buyers for all the excess inventory on the market. The standard score for acceptance jumped from a 680 (which is pretty good) to 740. You just wrote off 20% of the population, people who are hardly likely to jump into at-risk mortgages.

If you take away the ability for honest, decent people to get credit, while the Fed still makes loans to banks at 2%, this debacle will worsen. Mark my works.
 
No, Giving too easy credit is NOT what got us into this mess... It was a compounding factor, but if you take away the means to get easy credit for those who deserve it, who have earned it.. then this crisis will not fix itself. You will have no buyers for all the excess inventory on the market. The standard score for acceptance jumped from a 680 (which is pretty good) to 740. You just wrote off 20% of the population, people who are hardly likely to jump into at-risk mortgages.

If you take away the ability for honest, decent people to get credit, while the Fed still makes loans to banks at 2%, this debacle will worsen. Mark my works.

Nothing to say about your post except you are completely wrong! I suggest you study Moore's Law and it's effect on economics all over the world.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moore's_Law
 
...but if you take away the means to get easy credit for those who deserve it, who have earned it..
My take on the article was that credit will still be out there but getting either a good rate or credit period will be more difficult and require more credit-worthiness on the part of the borrower.

If someone lacks a substantial down payment and the payments themselves would exceed 30% of their income and their past history has proven that they have difficulties keeping their bills up-to-date, then they shouldn't be taking out a mortgage. The likelihood that they'll default on the mortgage and lose the home is too great. Better that they continue to rent while they mend their finances and wait on that first home.

Yes, that will leave more houses on the market longer but you can't have it both ways. There is going to be some pain across the systems (both financial and housing). How can we possibly avoid that given the current mess we're in? If credit isn't tightened up won't we be in for more of the same?
 
I hope they never do.

Houses will get so cheap that a kid working at Mickey D's will be able to afford them on cash. :D

This leads to another problem. People don't save, they live a lifestyle that pushes the limits of what they earn.

It doesn't matter if they are earning $8 an hour or $800,000 a year.
 
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