How historians view Trump – and how Trump sees himself

[Rotadom]

How historians view Trump – and how Trump sees himself


https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-view-historians/?ftag=CNM-00-10aag7e

There's at least one thing that Donald Trump's critics and supporters can agree on about his presidency, according to Jeffrey Engel,
director of the Center for Presidential History at Southern Methodist University: "He came in to be a disrupter, and of all of his accomplishments,
I think it's very easy to say that he accomplished that one."

Engel is one of a group of historians from leading universities
around the country who convened via Zoom last March.
Their mission: assessing one of the most unusual presidencies in
American history.

During the call, Timothy Naftali of New York University
remarked, "His concept of a national interest was identical
with his concept of his own interest."

Daniel C. Kurtzer, of Princeton University's
School of Public and International Affairs, said, "Trump inherited
a mess. It was not that he created a mess; the Middle East was
in very bad shape."

Julian Zelizer of Princeton assembled the panel,
which will soon publish a book of essays on Mr. Trump's
time in office – a presidency he described as "one of the
most unstable, unconventional.

"One thing that historians who've lived through the
moment have, that historians 200 years from now
won't have, is a sense of what it felt like to live in
the moment," Zelizer told correspondent Rita Braver.

It will be the third volume in a series which offered mixed
assessments of Presidents George W. Bush and Barack Obama.
But unlike his predecessors, former President Trump requested
to meet via Zoom with the historians.

They shared a video of that July session with "Sunday Morning."

"I have great respect, and I thought of you writing a book,
it would really be nice if we had an accurate book," Mr. Trump said.

He touted his building of at least part of a wall between the U.S. and Mexico
("We did a great job on that, and we got, we did a very, we did the wall that Border Patrol wanted").

 

[Champakian]

Trump is still a current event.


In 30 years, it will be time to listen to the historians.

 

[Rotadom]

Trump is still a current event.


In 30 years, it will be time to listen to the historians.

Thank you for your well-thought-out response. I'm sure you properly digested all of the material linked before you were triggered to respond in less than one minute.

 

[Dribble]

Trump is still a current event.


In 30 years, it will be time to listen to the historians.

He was such a failure...why will it take 30 years? Interesting opinion from a self claiming "Libertarian"

 

[Champakian]

Yeah, a lot of Presidents are considered xyz in the moment, but
with the calm reflection of those emotionally distanced from the immediate,
many presidents are then reflectively deemed to be more abc so don't allow your current
state of hate cause you to cast aspersions or derisions upon people who merely state the truth
about historians, presidents and the ensuing "historical" viewpoints about administrations and their impact...



But, to reply in like vein, as a "Libertarian,"
I find your rah-rah partisanship simply appalling.
It's suitable for the Georgia-Alabama game, but not for polite discourse.

:shrug:

But, please, go about your daily hatefest, I shall no longer stride across your polluted pond scum...

 

[Champakian]

Now. Do Joe Biden.

 

[jaF0]

Surveys and polls already published have IT at 40 or 41 which is pretty much the bottom.

 

[Rotadom]

Now. Do Joe Biden.

He won, Trump lost

 

[Champakian]

Surveys and polls already published have IT at 40 or 41 which is pretty much the bottom.

Now. Do Joe Biden.

Then, according to current HISTORICAL (y'alls terminology, not mine)
polling, President Biden is now an even worse failure than Trump...


See how that works?

Fremdschämen

 

[Rotadom]

Then, according to current HISTORICAL (y'alls terminology, not mine)
polling, President Biden is now an even worse failure than Trump...


See how that works?

Fremdschämen

No because less than one year doesn't equal four years. Are you old enough to be here

 

[Champakian]

You clowns don't even know if Trump will come back and win a second term
and Joe and Kamala are doing their damndest to make that a distinct possibility
and Schumer, Pelosi and the lockdown Democrat governors and mayors are helping.


You might be woke as hell guys, but you need to wake up and smell the Folgers™ in the morning...

 

[Rotadom]

You clowns don't even know if Trump will come back and win a second term
and Joe and Kamala are doing their damndest to make that a distinct possibility
and Schumer, Pelosi and the lockdown Democrat governors and mayors are helping.


You might be woke as hell guys, but you need to wake up and smell the Folgers™ in the morning...

Trump lost.

 

[Philthy_Phil]

Yeah, a lot of Presidents are considered xyz in the moment, but
with the calm reflection of those emotionally distanced from the immediate,
many presidents are then reflectively deemed to be more abc so don't allow your current
state of hate cause you to cast aspersions or derisions upon people who merely state the truth
about historians, presidents and the ensuing "historical" viewpoints about administrations and their impact...



But, to reply in like vein, as a "Libertarian,"
I find your rah-rah partisanship simply appalling.
It's suitable for the Georgia-Alabama game, but not for polite discourse.

:shrug:

But, please, go about your daily hatefest, I shall no longer stride across your polluted pond scum...

Less than a minute later ...

Now. Do Joe Biden.

 

[Philthy_Phil]

Trump lost.

4est trump sure seems triggered this morning. Fake libertarian doth protest too much.

 

[Rotadom]

4est trump sure seems triggered this morning. Fake libertarian doth protest too much.

lol He's a Libertarian? In what sense?

 

[coati]

I saw the television piece that was done on this Presidential historical project. As during his Presidency, there was a huge gap between how Trump perceived himself and how historians perceived him.

This pretty much sums up the Deplorable movement-- huge gap between their perception of themselves and how the majority of Americans perceive them. This will be remembered as a movement based upon what Deplorables called "alternative facts" and what everyone else called lies.

 

[phrodeau]

Trump and his comrades have been trying to rewrite history from the start, like Stalin and his Marxists did.

 

[Philthy_Phil]

lol He's a Libertarian? In what sense?

In the sense that he's a trumptard who wants plausible deniability when it suits his agenda.

 

[Dribble]

lol He's a Libertarian? In what sense?

That is the reason I used quotations around the word. He is a diehard Trump supporter that claims he isn't a Republican, but Libertarian. Show me one time he has touted an actual Libertarian candidate or Libertarian principle.

 

[pecksniff]

Trump is still a current event.


In 30 years, it will be time to listen to the historians.

The historians will be dissecting it all as they do the Civil War, in "How could this madness have happened?!" terms.

None will be treating anything about Trump as a lost opportunity. None will write glowing AH scenarios about his second term. That kind of treatment will be reserved for President Hillary or President Sanders.

 

[pecksniff]

You clowns don't even know if Trump will come back and win a second term

We know he won't. Doubtful he'll even run -- he'll just keep all the money he's collecting now. In case you didn't notice, Trump never liked being president.

 

[YDB95]

Then, according to current HISTORICAL (y'alls terminology, not mine)
polling, President Biden is now an even worse failure than Trump...


See how that works?

Evidently Libertarians even believe in their God-given right not to do second grade math. You see, Champakian, Biden's current approval rating is 43%. Trump's approval rating at this point in his presidency (January 2018) was 39%. If you really, really try, you'll discover that 43 > 39. And repeating a lie does not make it true no matter how many times you do it.

 

[Rotadom]

Evidently Libertarians even believe in their God-given right not to do second grade math. You see, Champakian, Biden's current approval rating is 43%. Trump's approval rating at this point in his presidency (January 2018) was 39%. If you really, really try, you'll discover that 43 > 39. And repeating a lie does not make it true no matter how many times you do it.

Let me know when you find a Libertarian on this site.

 

[pecksniff]

Let me know when you find a Libertarian on this site.

Dixie would claim the title. But whether any Litster actually votes for LP candidates is a different question.

Goth insists he's "liberal" but not "libertarian," but I'm not clear on how he means the distinction.

 

[coati]

Dixie would claim the title.

"Dixie" is a repackaged Conager/Que.

Simple-minded Glibertarianism.