How Do Mail In Ballots Lead to Mass Fraud?

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So I live in NJ, one of 7 states that mails ballots to all registered voters without any absentee request. In all other states, you need to request it.

I got my ballot today. in my locked mailbox in the locked vestibule of my apt bldg no one can open without a key. It's nice and big with my name and address on it. I have to sign it and seal it in not one but two envelopes signed on the seal each time.

So let's see. No one would be mailed a ballot like this without (a) being registered to vote [knocks out all the supposed 'illegals' voting] and (b) legally shown as residing at this address, this apartment bldg, this apt number, under this name, as I've voted with this name and address for 10 years. [That knocks out any stranger using my place of residence.]

I suppose:

Someone could have murdered me and figured out where I lived. They'd still have to get a key for the front vestibule, not to mention my mailbox, to get a hold of my ballot. All this while everyone in my bldg knows each other, but hey. Lastly, they would have sign in my signature which is on file three times exactly like I have for the past decade.

Let's say they did a LOT of work before they killed me and found my signature somewhere.

Even in Trump's insane fantasy land, supposing this all goes off without a hitch, I only got ONE ballot mailed. Not 100, not 1000, as he keeps claiming. One ballot per registered voter.

Now, I could perpetrate the fraud myself. I could get my ballot and give it to Jose the illegal gardener and have him pick his candidate, then give my signature and send it in. Hard to fathom why anyone would go to these lengths for the OPPOSITE candidate. And why go through the rigamorole for ONE vote for the candidate of choice? All the same in the end.

Otherwise, mass murder and fraud would have to happen by the millions all over the U.S. You'd think millions of people suddenly disappearing would be noticed.

That all applies only to these 7 states.

In the other 43, you'd have to go through the process of requesting an absentee ballot first. How would you know if one hadn't already been requested? How would you know someone hadn't already voted? But then you'd still have to murder them and falsely take up residence in their abode and get ahold of their signature and keys.

Would anyone care to explain how this could lead to "millions" of illegal votes?
 
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Didnt get the memo. :)

Plus thinks that GETTING the ballot somehow equals the VOTE he casts on it getting counted accurately after he mails it back.

Since 1992 or so, The Heritage Foundation has estimated that there are approximately 1200 or so cases of voter fraud as of May this year. That was before the recent primaries "suddenly discovering" boxes of "uncounted ballots" in a corner of the room that were overlooked for a couple of weeks. Nor does it include the even more recent "faulty" ballots that mailed out where the names were screwed up and where the returned ballots will be "recast" by people in the State Registrars office on "corrected" ballots. It was also before the 9 military ballots found tossed in the garbage were discovered.

That's just 3 in the main headlines so far since June. It that "mass fraud"? I don't know, but voter fraud certainly isn't as rare as some would like us to believe. And if events preceding this violently polarized election are an indication, there's going to be a LOT of it this time around.
 
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Plus thinks that GETTING the ballot somehow equals the VOTE he casts on it getting counted accurately after he mails it back.

Since 1992 or so, The Heritage Foundation has estimated that there are approximately 1200 or so cases of voter fraud as of May this year. That was before the recent primaries and the even more recent "faulty" ballots mailed out where the returned ballots will be "recast" by people in the State Registrars office on "corrected" ballots. It was also before the 9 ballots found tossed in the garbage were discovered.

"Mass fraud"? I don't know, but it certainly isn't as rare as some would like us to believe. And if events preceding this violently polarized election are an indication, there's going to be a LOT of it this time around.

Approximately 150 million Americans vote in election years. There have been 1.05 billion votes cast since '92 and only 1,200 cases of voter fraud totaling 0.0000012%.

It's not even minuscule fraud let alone "mass fraud."
 
Approximately 150 million Americans vote in election years. There have been 1.05 billion votes cast since '92 and only 1,200 cases of voter fraud totaling 0.0000012%.

It's not even minuscule fraud let alone "mass fraud."

Based on that analogy, bank robbery isn't that serious either. Or any other crime.
 
Since voter fraud is so prevalent, then Trumps win in 2016 is suspect. We all know what this is all about. Just Trump trying to make a case for ignoring the will of the people when he loses in November.
 
One scenario off the top of my head, If a leftist mail carrier had a route that was in a heavily red area, he/she could collect the ballots and instead of returning them to the post office for processing, he/she just tosses them in the trash.

There have been multiple news stories of ballots being tossed. For example:

https://www.dailywire.com/news/inve...s-found-along-road-in-swing-state-report-says

https://www.dailywire.com/news/feds...covery-all-opened-ballots-were-cast-for-trump

https://www.dailywire.com/news/texa...ent-mail-in-ballot-scheme-in-democrat-primary

https://www.dailywire.com/news/demo...on-voting-fear-mail-in-could-lead-to-problems
 
There will be an almost infinitesimal amount of voter cheating, spread near evenly amongst Republicans and Democrats. No President has ever been elected through voter fraud.

Only a candidate who fully expects to lose will insist an election is rigged ahead of time.
 
The Republicans have found a way to create a "mail in vote scandal" in Pennsylvania.

  • 9 people requested mail in ballots by mailing a request to the proper address for mail in ballots.
  • They received their ballots in the mail
  • They dutifully filled out their ballots and cast their votes for their savior Donald J. Trump
  • They then mailed their ballots...but NOT to the proper address for ballots to be opened on Election Day.
  • They instead mailed completed ballots to the address to request mail in ballots in the mail-in ballot request envelopes.
  • The workers at the mail-in ballot request center dutifully opened up the envelopes, as they are required to do, and found completed ballots.
  • They told their superiors about the fuck up of the Republican voters.
  • The nine voters, knowing that their ballots had been opened because they deliberately sent them to the wrong address, contacted Fox News.
  • Voila! (or "wallah!" as Ishmael likes to say) INSTANT MAIL IN VOTING SCANDAL
  • Trump, his blonde press secretary and Fox News all moan about MAIL IN VOTING SCANDAL

Trump now has his talking points, and the mail in voting process is considered "tainted" in swing state Pennsylvania.
 
There will be an almost infinitesimal amount of voter cheating, spread near evenly amongst Republicans and Democrats. No President has ever been elected through voter fraud.

Only a candidate who fully expects to lose will insist an election is rigged ahead of time.

Bush won Florida by 537 votes, winning the election with a margin of 0.009%.
EVERY VOTE MATTERS.
 
Since voter fraud is so prevalent, then Trumps win in 2016 is suspect. We all know what this is all about. Just Trump trying to make a case for ignoring the will of the people when he loses in November.

Or doing the will of his master, Putin. Creating chaos and doubt in the U.S. If there is any doubt, look at his playbook. The crying of fraud and rigged election. Attempting to hamstring the postal service. Encouraging his cult followers to doubt the process. And now the threat of subverting the vote entirely and bullying state legislatures to pad the electoral colleges with his allies. The dude is seriously fucked up. It will be interesting to see the debate this Tuesday.
 
[*]9 people requested mail in ballots by mailing a request to the proper address for mail in ballots.
[*]They received their ballots in the mail
[*]They dutifully filled out their ballots and cast their votes for their savior Donald J. Trump

Only seven of the nine votes were for Trump.
 
So I live in NJ, one of 7 states that mails ballots to all registered voters without any absentee request. In all other states, you need to request it.

I got my ballot today. in my locked mailbox in the locked vestibule of my apt bldg no one can open without a key. It's nice and big with my name and address on it. I have to sign it and seal it in not one but two envelopes signed on the seal each time.

So let's see. No one would be mailed a ballot like this without (a) being registered to vote [knocks out all the supposed 'illegals' voting] and (b) legally shown as residing at this address, this apartment bldg, this apt number, under this name, as I've voted with this name and address for 10 years. [That knocks out any stranger using my place of residence.]

I suppose:

Someone could have murdered me and figured out where I lived. They'd still have to get a key for the front vestibule, not to mention my mailbox, to get a hold of my ballot. All this while everyone in my bldg knows each other, but hey. Lastly, they would have sign in my signature which is on file three times exactly like I have for the past decade.

Let's say they did a LOT of work before they killed me and found my signature somewhere.

Even in Trump's insane fantasy land, supposing this all goes off without a hitch, I only got ONE ballot mailed. Not 100, not 1000, as he keeps claiming. One ballot per registered voter.

Now, I could perpetrate the fraud myself. I could get my ballot and give it to Jose the illegal gardener and have him pick his candidate, then give my signature and send it in. Hard to fathom why anyone would go to these lengths for the OPPOSITE candidate. And why go through the rigamorole for ONE vote for the candidate of choice? All the same in the end.

Otherwise, mass murder and fraud would have to happen by the millions all over the U.S. You'd think millions of people suddenly disappearing would be noticed.

That all applies only to these 7 states.

In the other 43, you'd have to go through the process of requesting an absentee ballot first. How would you know if one hadn't already been requested? How would you know someone hadn't already voted? But then you'd still have to murder them and falsely take up residence in their abode and get ahold of their signature and keys.

Would anyone care to explain how this could lead to "millions" of illegal votes?

I also live in the garbage state which has a long history of voter tampering from D's and R's. Do you're researching indicate the safest way to vote in regard to the vote legitimately being counted? I'm going to vote in person and I don't anticipate any problems in my area. Of course, machines can be tampered with but I'm used to voting that way and hoping that it's properly counted. With mail-in ballots I invision the boogallloo boys around a bonfire of votes.
 
Biggest case of voter fraud I renewer was a Repukelican who was harvesting votes
They redid the election rather than tossing the “winner”
Fucked up
By
Republicans

Then there was the lady in 2016 because ‘rump scared her into voting twice
Now, the ‘resident is telling Republicans to break the law

Fucked up?

By ‘rump
 
Listen to the Rethugs so concerned about correct ballot counting! Brings a tear to my eye.

We've come a long way from 2000. Stop the count! Stop the count!

Just listen to these hypocrites.


Plus thinks that GETTING the ballot somehow equals the VOTE he casts on it getting counted accurately after he mails it back.

Since 1992 or so, The Heritage Foundation has estimated that there are approximately 1200 or so cases of voter fraud as of May this year. That was before the recent primaries "suddenly discovering" boxes of "uncounted ballots" in a corner of the room that were overlooked for a couple of weeks. Nor does it include the even more recent "faulty" ballots that mailed out where the names were screwed up and where the returned ballots will be "recast" by people in the State Registrars office on "corrected" ballots. It was also before the 9 military ballots found tossed in the garbage were discovered.

That's just 3 in the main headlines so far since June. It that "mass fraud"? I don't know, but voter fraud certainly isn't as rare as some would like us to believe. And if events preceding this violently polarized election are an indication, there's going to be a LOT of it this time around.
 
Will this election be fought between the partisan postal workers who throw away ballots and the partisan sanitation workers who discover ballots in the trash?
 
Even in Trump's insane fantasy land, supposing this all goes off without a hitch, I only got ONE ballot mailed. Not 100, not 1000, as he keeps claiming. One ballot per registered voter.


No, you don't understand! George Soros, AOC, Adam Schiff, Nancy Pelosi and Hillary Clinton are masterminding a massive plot from the basement of a pizzeria to register millions of illegal immigrants who are going to vote for the Democrat Party so they can get illegal welfare benefits! Yeah, I know, illegal immigrants can't get welfare benefits and no one has suggested they should be able to - that ONLY PROVES HOW DEVASTATINGLY SUCCESSFUL THE WHOLE THING IS! We KNOW it's true because Donald Trump climbed to the top of Mount Rushmore and learned the truth from the spirit of Ronald Reagan. He was dressed in a Confederate flag at the time.
 
Right.

Do they know what it takes to prove your identity nowadays?

So in addition to mass murder, we have to believe in a vast underground network churning out fake birth certificates, health insurance cards, addresses, high school diplomas, bank accounts, credit cards and utility bills by the MILLIONS. All entirely undetected by the FBI, ICE, and ATF.

Leftist mail carriers are more plausible.




No, you don't understand! George Soros, AOC, Adam Schiff, Nancy Pelosi and Hillary Clinton are masterminding a massive plot from the basement of a pizzeria to register millions of illegal immigrants who are going to vote for the Democrat Party so they can get illegal welfare benefits! Yeah, I know, illegal immigrants can't get welfare benefits and no one has suggested they should be able to - that ONLY PROVES HOW DEVASTATINGLY SUCCESSFUL THE WHOLE THING IS! We KNOW it's true because Donald Trump climbed to the top of Mount Rushmore and learned the truth from the spirit of Ronald Reagan. He was dressed in a Confederate flag at the time.
 
No, you don't understand! George Soros, AOC, Adam Schiff, Nancy Pelosi and Hillary Clinton are masterminding a massive plot from the basement of a pizzeria to register millions of illegal immigrants who are going to vote for the Democrat Party so they can get illegal welfare benefits! Yeah, I know, illegal immigrants can't get welfare benefits and no one has suggested they should be able to - that ONLY PROVES HOW DEVASTATINGLY SUCCESSFUL THE WHOLE THING IS! We KNOW it's true because Donald Trump climbed to the top of Mount Rushmore and learned the truth from the spirit of Ronald Reagan. He was dressed in a Confederate flag at the time.

Don't forget that all of those illegal immigrants are twelve years old--and Hispanic. Illegal Norwegian immigrants don't count.
 
Right.

Do they know what it takes to prove your identity nowadays?

They're convinced illegals don't have to.

So in addition to mass murder, we have to believe in a vast underground network churning out fake birth certificates, health insurance cards, addresses, high school diplomas, bank accounts, credit cards and utility bills by the MILLIONS. All entirely undetected by the FBI, ICE, and ATF.

They couldn't swing the election to Clinton last time, but somehow they ARE capable of just about everything else. Really doesn't add up, does it?
 
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