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[Lalah]

Hi all! Sorry if this is not the right place for it, I'm still feeling my way around. I've been a long time reader of erotica and after years of procrastination, I've finally managed to finish writing my first story.

It's about a fear I've always had when going to the gym. It's a non-consent story, it has humiliation, it has some pain, as well as a bunch of other fetishes. I know Literotica has some restrictions on such content, but I can't really get any feel for them, what are the guidelines?

Yes the character get hurt, but nothing permanent. She get humiliated, obviously abused in the process, and of course this isn't something that should be done to someone in real life. But the story is narrated from her point of view and while she does describe what she feel on the moment she doesn't linger on it or really make a big deal about it. I think some parts are tongue in cheek, but then I have a dark sense of humor, and I've also ran into stories that are much much worse, so I'm not really a good judge of what's "not much" and what's "too much".

So any advices in figuring out what's ok and what's not? The FAQ doesn't really say anything about this. Is there any author tools that could help me get a better feel of the guidelines for such stories and how my story fit in them?

Thanks!

 

[English Lady]

I think the general rule of thumb is that the lady involved has to enjoy it in some way (An orgasm, admit she's enoying it in her mind etc) but I don't know if it's more involvedthan that

 

[Lalah]

But can it really be non-consent if she's enjoying it and orgasming left and right? My story is build on the basic notion that if you're not wanting it you won't be turned on and so won't get that orgasm.

Also, I just noticed I apparently joined the forum 29 years before the website was created. Yes I'm cool like that.

 

[cantdog]

Awe inspiring join date, I must say.

I don't know why people always figure how cool it would be to slide one by and put a story on the site which violates the guidelines. This site is a market. They have their editorial guidelines. Not any sense in the world to push at 'em. Plenty of other venues who don't much care what kinda folk they take in.


That said, welcome in!

 

[English Lady]

But can it really be non-consent if she's enjoying it and orgasming left and right? My story is build on the basic notion that if you're not wanting it you won't be turned on and so won't get that orgasm.

Also, I just noticed I apparently joined the forum 29 years before the website was created. Yes I'm cool like that.

I think this is a bit of a regular debate round here. It seems to be more "reluctance" than actual non consent but sorry ot say it won't get through if she's not enjoying it it even a teeny tiny bit.

 

[Lalah]

@cantdog

I'm not trying to slip one by, I'm trying to figure out just what that market actually is.

@English Lady

You sure about that? Honestly I don't really read the non-consent stories, I'm really more into exhibitionism stories, but some of the emotions first time exhibitionist feel are similar to what some of the non-consent character feel, so when there's a first time exhibitionism story dry I peek into the non-consent section for non-consent stories masquerading or relating to exhibitionism or forced exhibitionism, as a substitute.

So really I've never really read much of the straight up non-consent stories, I don't really have a feel for the genre, but here I am stuck with a non-consent story that's based on what I think would be realistic reactions, from someone that isn't too familiar with the genre or has ever been in such a situation.

Edit: My story is not showing the people victimizing the character in a good light, nor is it glorifying those actions. Out of the 3 antagonists in the story, only one really has any characterization, they're just all archetype. The protagonist get in trouble, bad things happen to her, but she get trough it. That's it.

 

[English Lady]

@cantdog

I'm not trying to slip one by, I'm trying to figure out just what that market actually is.

@English Lady

You sure about that? Honestly I don't really read the non-consent stories, I'm really more into exhibitionism stories, but some of the emotions first time exhibitionist feel are similar to what some of the non-consent character feel, so when there's a first time exhibitionism story dry I peek into the non-consent section for non-consent stories masquerading or relating to exhibitionism or forced exhibitionism, as a substitute.

So really I've never really read much of the straight up non-consent stories, I don't really have a feel for the genre, but here I am stuck with a non-consent story that's based on what I think would be realistic reactions, from someone that isn't too familiar with the genre or has ever been in such a situation.

Edit: My story is not showing the people victimizing the character in a good light, nor is it glorifying those actions. Out of the 3 antagonists in the story, only one really has any characterization, they're just all archetype. The protagonist get in trouble, bad things happen to her, but she get trough it. That's it.

You need a non consent author to answer these questions -you could try asking on the story ideas or story feedback forum, see if anyone there can shed light.

I read non consent quite often and the girlie always gets offo n it somewhere along the line, as I say, they seem to be more "reluctance" stories that I see anyways

 

[Lalah]

Well see. I could just have the bad guy masturbate her and force her to an orgasm, but that doesn't really make sense to me, nor does it make it any more right. Would a brutal rape followed by making the victim orgasm more right than say, someone running into someone drugged or held, using them for a quick thrill then moving on? Or is it any more right to grab someone off the street unwilling, sequester them, then influencing them into them wanting it? Does it somehow make it right now that the person think she wants it?

 

[tickledkitty]

Ok, how about this: You write the story the way you want to write it. Do whatever makes you happy and creates a story that YOU would like to read.

Find youself a volunteer editor. Those people usually have a pretty good handle on what's acceptable here. Have them work their magic, then submit it. If it passes, Yay!! If not, you fix whatever is wrong with it and resubmit.

Yes, there are guidelines to follow (over 18, no bestiality, etc.), so do the best you can following them and write the story. It seems like you're worrying yourself too much over some small points. It's too hard to write while worrying about every little thing. Just do it.

BTW, welcome.

 

[Weird Harold]

A long time ago, Laurel expressed the distinction between acceptable and unacceptable as Lit publishes Rape Fantasies, not RapIST Fantasies.

At that time, they were still shuffling a lot of extreme stories off to allextremestories but that site is abandoned or gone now so what used to get shuffled off simply gets rejected.

Part of the interpretation of that policy statement is the somewhat incomplete and slightly inaccurate, 'the victim has to get off' advice.

The question to ask of your story is whether your story appeals to women who fantasize about the loss of control (and responsibility) from being forced or does it appeal to the misogynists, control freaks, and psychopaths who commit rape?

 

[3113]

I'm in agreement with Tickledkitty's good advise. Non-con is a tricky category and one where it's really difficult to predict if the story will pass muster or not. So you write it up, and you see if it does. If it doesn't and you don't want to change it, you find a different site to post it on.

 

[Stella_Omega]

Hi Lalah!

Really, the best way to find out if Lit will accept your story, is to submit it. If it goes through, you know-- if it doesn't go through, there is no penalty for your "failure" beyond, perhaps, some work in re-writing it.

If your story isn't erotic-- which is, after all, the main reason for this site-- you will get some angry feedback, since we all come here looking for wank material

But as TK says, write, find an editor, and there are other venues out there, if this doesn't prove to be right for literotica. More, really.

We all know that real rape has only the most superficial resemblance to sex-- it's a violent act. The non-con stories here skirt that issue, in narrow or wide margins. They are, after all, fantasies.

Welcome to the madhouse!

 

[Lalah]

Thanks! I'm starting to get a feel of what's the guidelines and I already have a couple ideas in my head if there's changes to be made.

The reason I'm asking instead of just submitting is that the iron is still hot so to speak, and there's still time to work it some more. Even if I am to submit it as is, I still plan to let it rest a day or two and then revisit it, see if anything I missed jump out to me. Sounds like the perfect time to make subtle or not so subtle changes.

While it's certainly not aimed as a rapist fantasy, (the non-consent is really more of a plot device) it's hard to tell if the story would appeal to what I think as the average person into control loss fantasies, simply for the sheer amount of fetishes mixed in my story. Would such a person still like the loss of control if for example there was anal sex and the person wasn't into that? My story has many fetishes, I'm simply classifying it as non-consent because it's the biggest taboo.

Still, I'm getting the feel of it. There's this alternate ending in my head, and I think I'm starting to like that version better in general, the only sad thing is that I'd have to drop one of my favorite fetish. No actually it's two fetishes, and I don't see a way to work them anywhere else in the story. And then if I remove them the tongue in cheek ending I liked so much doesn't work anymore. Aww... Oh well, I'll see what I can do. Maybe if I add a new bad guy to replace the former bad guy turned love interest.

Any more insight into this would be appreciated.

 

[Stella_Omega]

Okay, if the "real' rape is a plot device, and the sexual yumminess is based on other things-- than I am sure your story will fly. And if the non-con is not the real reason for the story, then you will dissapoint the non-con lovers! So, you are surely going to want someone to look at it and help you decide where it best fits.

Other fetishes? Pile 'em on! Anal? That's nearly vanilla these days... More? Lots more!

People who come here to read have a way of either ignoring what squicks them in favor of the elements that get them off, or else-- complaining bitterly about the one sentence that they don't care for and ignoring everything else. You'll learn to tell the difference between constructive criticism and trollery soon enough....

 

[Lalah]

Okay, if the "real' rape is a plot device, and the sexual yumminess is based on other things-- than I am sure your story will fly. And if the non-con is not the real reason for the story, then you will dissapoint the non-con lovers! So, you are surely going to want someone to look at it and help you decide where it best fits.

Other fetishes? Pile 'em on! Anal? That's nearly vanilla these days... More? Lots more!

People who come here to read have a way of either ignoring what squicks them in favor of the elements that get them off, or else-- complaining bitterly about the one sentence that they don't care for and ignoring everything else. You'll learn to tell the difference between constructive criticism and trollery soon enough....

Well it was really more about non-consent than rape, and it was about non-consent for the humiliation and embarrassment. Being humiliated turn me on, the non-consent stuff is really just there to create it. But it's still there, so those into it can get their fun out of that part if that's what they like. And hey, if people need to have the character get her kick out of it to get theirs, I can try to mix embarrassment into that and then I'll be happy too.

 

[Katyusha]

But can it really be non-consent if she's enjoying it and orgasming left and right? My story is build on the basic notion that if you're not wanting it you won't be turned on and so won't get that orgasm.

Also, I just noticed I apparently joined the forum 29 years before the website was created. Yes I'm cool like that.

DAYUM How did you manage that? Can I be cool like you?

I have a non-consent story up myself and I've gotten several PM's and emails talking about how the guy (the rapist) in the story is a thug, a criminal, a violent rapist through and through. She's beaten, she's frightened, and she thinks he's a jagoff all the way through the end. But she does end up enjoying it a bit and her internal monologues talk a little about how she can't believe she's starting to enjoy it. If you'd like to read it, it's here.

 

[Lalah]

Wow thanks a lot for the link. I don't have the time to read it right now but I will read it ASAP. From your description it sounds like it could be helpful in figuring out what's acceptable.

 

[Stella_Omega]

Well it was really more about non-consent than rape, and it was about non-consent for the humiliation and embarrassment. Being humiliated turn me on, the non-consent stuff is really just there to create it. But it's still there, so those into it can get their fun out of that part if that's what they like. And hey, if people need to have the character get her kick out of it to get theirs, I can try to mix embarrassment into that and then I'll be happy too.

Ooooh ... Humiliation is one of my kinks too!

There's a long thread somewheres back there about what Mabeuse was calling "Abject sex"
If you want to get academic about it all, that is... Otherwise, write it, and make sure you tell me when it's up!

 

[Lalah]

Now you're making me feel embarrassed, it's my first story after all.

So keep it up I guess! Although I hope me posting my first story won't warp the embarrassment into humiliation.