How Christians spoil sex

[kromen]

What about all those women yelling, "Oh God!" in all the stories on this site. Some of them must be Christians just by the law of averages.

I call that Saturday night church.

 

[Loring2]

Yeah ...

What about all those women yelling, "Oh God!" in all the stories on this site. Some of them must be Christians just by the law of averages.

...Tx, I've thought about that on more than one occasion too.

 

[Guest]

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[Liar]

You must never have known some true christian women......The hottest, nastiest, sweatiest, wrapped-up-like-snakes sex I ever had was with devout 'christian' women......God gave us pheromones and hormones for a good reason......

Oh, I know exactly what they're capable of. It's all about nature, control, pressure and having the timing to be there at the breaking point.

 

[pizzaboyatdoor]

Talk about religion and sex, and someone will say "Song of Solomon."

It never fails.

I want to know why so many Christians can completely disregard the one sexy (and fairly long) passage in the bible, and its implications, yet harp on and on and on about leveticus whatsit's single sentence prohibiting gay sex?

Anytime my ability to be both christian AND gay gets questioned by one of the holier-than-thou crowd, I take great pleasure in suggesting that before they continue using the Bible against gays, they should dedicate several hours to reading the last 3 or 4 chapters of First Samuel and the first chapter of Second Samuel which describes in some very intense and intimate details, the relationship of David & Jonathan....a relationship that almost rivals the wording in the Song of Solomon.

It is totally safe to say that less than 5% of those that regularly bash with the Leviticus reference, have any clue the following words are also found in the scriptures where future King David is lamenting the death of Jonathan:

"How the mighty have fallen in battle!
Jonathan lies slain on your heights.

I grieve for you, Jonathan my brother;
you were very dear to me.
Your love for me was wonderful,
more wonderful than that of women."

2nd Samuel 1:25 & 26 NIV

A love MORE wonderful than that of women! Just how many ways can you interpret that???

 

[3113]

That first woman, Lilith, had an idea that got her thrown out of the Garden all by herself, and the Rebbis kept the details out of the bible so as not to inspire anyone to try what she had in mind. The story is still current in the Mideast and in Cabbalistic Judaism...where we find that Lilith proposed the unthinkable - that she and Adam make love with her on top!

I'm no expert, but from what I understand, Lilith appeared much later than the completed Old Testament. She was considered a demon and popular in Eastern European folklore. We know she came later than the creation of the Old Testament because she is one of the many *failed* ways that people tried to explain the line about god creating people and THEN creating Adam and Eve in the garden of Eden. if Adam and Eve were first and only, what about those people mentioned prior to god creating them? Hence, Lilith.

But, actually, when the Bible first came out, there was no issue about that line. In fact, the line originally read "they" created the heavens and the earth and people. Meaning many gods did it, not one god. It's only when we get to Adam and Eve that a singular god creates them. Namely, the Hebrew god. The old testament, in fact, doesn't contend that there is only one god. Just that there's only one god for the Hebrews. There's lot of evidence of this throughout the Old Testament; taking just one example: the first commandment of having no other god than the Hebrew god (because he's a jealous god) makes no sense if there are no other gods. Does it?

And those other people created before Adam and Eve (and which have to exist for Cain to find a wife East of Eden) make perfect sense if one remembers that Adam and Eve are only the forbearers of the Hebrews, not of any other nation worshipping other gods. No Lilith required.

So, Lilith had to come later. When the Hebrew god went from a god of one people, to the one and only god of everything, no other gods around. That's actually a pretty late belief. I happen to like Lilith as a nice, usually red-headed demon seducer. But, so far as I know, she's a medieval creation, not a character so old she could have been deliberately censored from the Old Testament.

 

[voluptuary_manque]

My understanding, as well.

 

[Verdad]

I'm no expert, but from what I understand, Lilith appeared much later than the completed Old Testament. She was considered a demon and popular in Eastern European folklore. We know she came later than the creation of the Old Testament because she is one of the many *failed* ways that people tried to explain the line about god creating people and THEN creating Adam and Eve in the garden of Eden. if Adam and Eve were first and only, what about those people mentioned prior to god creating them? Hence, Lilith.

But, actually, when the Bible first came out, there was no issue about that line. In fact, the line originally read "they" created the heavens and the earth and people. Meaning many gods did it, not one god. It's only when we get to Adam and Eve that a singular god creates them. Namely, the Hebrew god. The old testament, in fact, doesn't contend that there is only one god. Just that there's only one god for the Hebrews. There's lot of evidence of this throughout the Old Testament; taking just one example: the first commandment of having no other god than the Hebrew god (because he's a jealous god) makes no sense if there are no other gods. Does it?

And those other people created before Adam and Eve (and which have to exist for Cain to find a wife East of Eden) make perfect sense if one remembers that Adam and Eve are only the forbearers of the Hebrews, not of any other nation worshipping other gods. No Lilith required.

So, Lilith had to come later. When the Hebrew god went from a god of one people, to the one and only god of everything, no other gods around. That's actually a pretty late belief. I happen to like Lilith as a nice, usually red-headed demon seducer. But, so far as I know, she's a medieval creation, not a character so old she could have been deliberately censored from the Old Testament.

I wanted to react to Tio’s story too but didn’t want to appear pedantic. Glad it bothered someone else too.

To my (superficial) knowledge, “lilith” first appears somewhere in Mesopotamia as a word for a type of demon—not a specific person, but a whole class, like for example “vampire”. Only gradually, surviving in Jewish lore, do these demons acquire the shape and attributes of Lilith that came down to us (a long haired witchy woman) and, as you said, only in the middle ages does she become “Adam’s first wife”, i.e. the popular explanation for the inconsistencies in Genesis. Her name and a kernel of her character may be old indeed, but it’s medieval imagination that assigns her the role of the “censored” wife.

 

[Handley_Page]

This is what I found in Wiki about Lilith, of whom I'd never heard:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lilith

 

[Miss_Pixie]

TMNT ws raised Christian as was I. I converted to paganism and he's remaind Christian. So he goes to church (some) sunday mornings, unless I can't tempt him out of it . He maintains that Shouting "Oh God!" in bed does not constitute going to church.