Hopes for September Eleventh, Two Thousand and Two.

[Guest]

This will win me no Nobel Peace Prizes but this is what I am hoping for; That somewhere just inside the border of Saudi Arabia, a nuclear device assembled in Iraq, funded for Al-Queda by the Saudi Royal Family detonates prematurely as it is being transported overland in an attempt to smuggle it to a target in the non-Muslim/non-Arab world. Nothing short of that event will end the terror our children have inheirted as a result of the legacy of a petroleum driven foreign policy by the world's major governments.

 

[teddybear4play]

This will win me no Nobel Peace Prizes but this is what I am hoping for; That somewhere just inside the border of Saudi Arabia, a nuclear device assembled in Iraq, funded for Al-Queda by the Saudi Royal Family detonates prematurely as it is being transported overland in an attempt to smuggle it to a target in the non-Muslim/non-Arab world. Nothing short of that event will end the terror our children have inheirted as a result of the legacy of a petroleum driven foreign policy by the world's major governments.

I agree with every sentiment but the last. While we certainly are too reliant on foreign oil supplies, I think that even if somehow those were eliminated from the question, we would still be facing the same problems.

TB4p

 

[Ms_Lilith]

Re: Re: Hopes for September Eleventh, Two Thousand and Two.

I agree with every sentiment but the last. While we certainly are too reliant on foreign oil supplies, I think that even if somehow those were eliminated from the question, we would still be facing the same problems.

TB4p

I agree with you on that one, TB.

And not just cus I'm smitten.

 

[Guest]

Yea, just what we need. More innocent deaths.

 

[Coolville]

Iraq is no threat. Bush wants war to keep US control of the region.
...
This whole affair has nothing to do with a threat from Iraq - there isn't one. It has nothing to do with the war against terrorism or with morality. Saddam Hussein is obviously an evil man, but when we were selling arms to him to keep the Iranians in check he was the same evil man he is today. He was a pawn then and is a pawn now. In the same way he served western interests then, he is now the distraction for the sleight of hand to protect the west's supply of oil.

Mo Mowlam, British MP, writing in The Guardian today.

whole article here

 

[HighSchoolJock]

the only thing im hoping for is that everyone lost is remembered and there is no more violence. maybe 9/11 can be remembered this year as a day of peace

 

[Sillyman]

I'm hoping on Sep 11 2002 I get some pussy. Frankly, I think there are worse things one could hope for.

 

[teddybear4play]

Iraq is no threat. Bush wants war to keep US control of the region.

Keep it? We don't even have it! "Acquire control" I could understand, but "keep" is just stupid.

TB4p

 

[Sandia]

I'm hoping on Sep 11 2002 I get some pussy. Frankly, I think there are worse things one could hope for.

I love you Sillyman.

As for the rest of y'all, you can bite my ass.

 

[red_rose]

I love you Sillyman.

As for the rest of y'all, you can bite my ass.

bite, bite, bite.

 

[Coolville]

All my hopes are rising on sillyman getting some pussy on sept. 11, too.

then he can send me the chicken.

 

[Anais Dahl]

September 11th is my anniversary, and the 12th is my husband's birthday.


Cruel world, isn't it?

 

[DeityMun]

Iraq is no threat. Bush wants war to keep US control of the region.
...
This whole affair has nothing to do with a threat from Iraq - there isn't one. It has nothing to do with the war against terrorism or with morality. Saddam Hussein is obviously an evil man, but when we were selling arms to him to keep the Iranians in check he was the same evil man he is today. He was a pawn then and is a pawn now. In the same way he served western interests then, he is now the distraction for the sleight of hand to protect the west's supply of oil.

Mo Mowlam, British MP, writing in The Guardian today.

whole article here

I don't believe Iraq is, currently, a threat to the US, but I certaintly believe it is a threat to our allies. Isreal ESPECIALLY. But really, Saddam was given a list of things that had to happen after the Gulf War ended, and they haven't happened. He's had his own destruction coming for years now. Bush Sr. should've continued in there during the Gulf War and done away with him when he had the chance. It's not going to be as easy as it was then (not to imply it was easy, simply that this will be harder).

But, of course, this seems to be some "The West Is Evil" type of post, right?

Let's talk about that oil for a moment:

Oil prices going up does nothing good for the economy. Transportion of goods, services, and people becomes more expensive, and those goods and services become more expensive. And we all know if the US Markets go bad, the rest will fall right in line behind it. To do otherwise would defy the odds.

People like to say that the Gulf War was about oil like it was a bad thing. It's not.

 

[Guest]

I started this mess.....

I started this mess, at least I take responsibility for the thread here, may I try and finish it it ? If we can all drop back a few yards and examine what may be a few pertinent facts concerning, Iraq, President Bush and the entire Middle East mess there may be something beyond sending troops to secure the profits of multinational corporations to be explored here.

1) George Bush senior was at one time the director of the CIA, if anyone has an 'insiders view' as to the state of affairs anywhere in the world, my money's put here. I have no doubt that such intel has trickled down in that particular Texas household.

2) Saddam Hussien keeps dropping the remark he has a missile aimmed at Israel regardless of who does what to him and his nation and Israel has expresssed it's eagerness to unleash it's nuclear arsenal on the Arab world in general if attacked.

3) Had anyone ever seriously pursued an alternative source of energy beyond petroleum such as natural gas, various agricultural sourced fuels or had simply put the Sterling Engine into mass production, the leverage the petroleum exporting countries would be of much less consequence.

Lastly, with all the major deposits of petroleum so close in Mexico and Central America, why hasn't a Mezzo-American pipeline been constructed to insure that the needed oil reaches US based refineries without concern ad to whether super tankers are sinking in the Persian Gulf or not.

I don't claim to have the knowledge nor insight to solve the world's problems but if we don't start pressing hard questions beyond this board we'll be back here again and again debating similar circumstances to infinity.....

 

[BigDawg69]

Re: I started this mess.....

My responses in blue:

This is so unlike me, what the Hell am I doing responding to a political thread?

I started this mess, at least I take responsibility for the thread here, may I try and finish it it ? If we can all drop back a few yards and examine what may be a few pertinent facts concerning, Iraq, President Bush and the entire Middle East mess there may be something beyond sending troops to secure the profits of multinational corporations to be explored here.

1) George Bush senior was at one time the director of the CIA, if anyone has an 'insiders view' as to the state of affairs anywhere in the world, my money's put here. I have no doubt that such intel has trickled down in that particular Texas household. I think that being the director of the CIA a long time ago (prior to Saddam Hussien's reign in fact) does not qualify any Bush as knowledgable and informed on the state of Mid-East affairs. Let alone Dubya.

2) Saddam Hussien keeps dropping the remark he has a missile aimmed at Israel regardless of who does what to him and his nation and Israel has expresssed it's eagerness to unleash it's nuclear arsenal on the Arab world in general if attacked.
Not sure I see your point here. A maniac is making idle threats against a state that has questionable human rights policies and is proving itself to be rather despotic and boarderline genocidal, not to mention the country that is the object of his threats has been the object of similar threats by almost every Mid-Eastern nation since it's inception, and that requires the US to send in our military?

3) Had anyone ever seriously pursued an alternative source of energy beyond petroleum such as natural gas, various agricultural sourced fuels or had simply put the Sterling Engine into mass production, the leverage the petroleum exporting countries would be of much less consequence. I must admit I agree with you on this point. If you doubt that oil plays a role, look at our un-involvment in the whole Chezch mess. That maniac DID commit genocide, something Saddam Hussein has yet to do, and we didn't go in after him,

Lastly, with all the major deposits of petroleum so close in Mexico and Central America, why hasn't a Mezzo-American pipeline been constructed to insure that the needed oil reaches US based refineries without concern ad to whether super tankers are sinking in the Persian Gulf or not. Right or wrong, my guess is the environmental lobbies are just strong enough to keep a mezz-american pipeline on paper only.

I don't claim to have the knowledge nor insight to solve the world's problems but if we don't start pressing hard questions beyond this board we'll be back here again and again debating similar circumstances to infinity.....

 

[weed]

Is it better to wish a legacy of post-nuclear destruction on our children?

Your points:

#1 - reaks of family feudism to me

#2 - So what? If he's supposedly hiding out in a bunker he can just push his buttons anyway. Then we're right into the whole tit for tat thing. Oh, yeah, adults call that war.

#3 - Of course it's about oil but my take it's also public opinion and revenge.

 

[weed]

Oh, yeah, 9/11....I hope the sun rises....anything else that comes up will just have to be dealt with. Hopefully, peacefully and rationally.

 

[brokenbrainwave]

This will win me no Nobel Peace Prizes but this is what I am hoping for; That somewhere just inside the border of Saudi Arabia, a nuclear device assembled in Iraq, funded for Al-Queda by the Saudi Royal Family detonates prematurely as it is being transported overland in an attempt to smuggle it to a target in the non-Muslim/non-Arab world. Nothing short of that event will end the terror our children have inheirted as a result of the legacy of a petroleum driven foreign policy by the world's major governments.

this is quite possibly the single most irritating piece of bullshit and ignorance I have read here. Maybe its because I am dead fucking tired, but yeah of course, lets hope for more God Damned violence. Thats the message we want the future leaders to learn is it not? Same thing over and over, lets hope for death in the name of a God that might not even exsist. Unfortunately, it seems mankind never can learn, let alone being his own worse enemy.

 

[CRaZy]

But really, Saddam was given a list of things that had to happen after the Gulf War ended, and they haven't happened. He's had his own destruction coming for years now.

HIS own destruction. It's so easy to make it sound like all anyone wants to do is poo away one little man and we'll all be happy. Ensuring the destruction of Saddam, in reality, would mean deaths of Americans, probably Brits and Australians, as well as Iraqi civilians who are just as innocent as victims of Sept 11. And it won't matter a damn. It's a political dynamic. A cultural divide in which both sides have accepted their role on the world stage. Assassinate Bush and there will be another US Prez with the same agenda. Assassinate Saddam H. and you will find the same. It's about changing the balance of political control in the world, not about destorying one man or even several men.

What do I hope for September 12, 2002?

I would like to be surprised by the fact that world leaders stepped back, took a moment to breathe, and gained a new perspective of the dynamics which drive our present world. Failing that, it would be nice if they all sent each other flowers and chocolates. Sigh.