Home Church, Home School...Tea Party?

[amicus]

http://www.hccentral.com/

http://www.wayoflife.org/files/c886138a806d3dade474dda034ed36f3-327.html

In the news, the Pastor of an all Black church near Atlanta, Georgia, is accused of sex crimes by three church members....not to mention the 'priestly' scandle ongoing in the Catholic Church...good reason for those of faith to exit the church enmasse.

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Thirteen-year-old Rebecca Sealfon of Brooklyn, New York, brought new attention to the growing phenomenon of homeschooling when she became the first homeschooled child to win the National Spelling Bee. She was one of 17 homeschooled students among 245 competitors in the 70th annual bee, held in May 1997.(1)

The rise of homeschooling, of course, reflects broadening dissatisfaction with formal education in the United States. From its modest beginnings in one-room schoolhouses, American education has grown into a gargantuan government enterprise. Today, about 50 million students attend more than 85,000 public schools and more than 26,000 private schools.(2) Education is the largest line item in most state budgets. The average per pupil expenditure in America's public schools is $6,993.(3)

http://www.cato.org/pubs/pas/pa-294.html

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Churches, schools and the grass-roots TaXed Enough Already, Tea party...perhaps an open rejection of liberal progressive mentality across the board?

Politics, religion and education; fertile ground for those brave enough to have the courage of their convictions, eh?

Amicus

edited to add: three more female teachers, one at the high school level, two at the intermediate, charged with sex crimes against students...go figure....

 

[Boxlicker101]

Whether you like it or not, public schools are here to stay. They have their faults, and homeschooling sometimes has some advantages, but not usually. I would really hate to go back to the system in use 200 years ago, when almost everybody but the wealthy were illiterate, because no schools were available or they could not afford to attend them.

At the same time, it might not be so bad if we went back about sixty years, when public schools were a lot more serious about what they did.

Now, just to keep in perspective:

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[Stella_Omega]

Now, just to keep in perspective:
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I've missed you, Box.

 

[Stella_Omega]

Now, just to keep in perspective:

I've missed you, Box.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

My grand-daughter was home-schooled, graduated high school at 15, and was just elected to Phi Beta Kappa at her college. My daughter thinks public school is a joke. It is.

 

[The_Trouvere]

An advantage of home schooling is that the parent doing the home schooling,
usually the mother, can renew her own education in the process. The problem
is that most mothers need to work outside of the house to maintain a middle
class standard of living, so they do not have the time.

 

[Selena_Kitt]

You can homeschool and still work outside of the home actually. Homeschooling one child takes significantly less time a day than schooling a classroom of 30. I know homeschooling families who homeschool after dinner. Most of the time the kids are with other family during the day - grandparents or aunts.

We homeschool two (eight and nine) and they wouldn't go back to school if we paid them. We do a homeschool co-op one day a week, and homeschool the other four days, including using an online system, and a different computer program for my daughter (who's dyslexic). Hubbie and I work from home, so we split up the days, and we both teach in the co-op.

It honestly only takes 2-3 hours a day to school at home and still cover the same (usually more) material as they cover in school.

 

[Dragonlipz]

http://www.hccentral.com/

http://www.wayoflife.org/files/c886138a806d3dade474dda034ed36f3-327.html

In the news, the Pastor of an all Black church near Atlanta, Georgia, is accused of sex crimes by three church members....not to mention the 'priestly' scandle ongoing in the Catholic Church...good reason for those of faith to exit the church enmasse.

~~~

Thirteen-year-old Rebecca Sealfon of Brooklyn, New York, brought new attention to the growing phenomenon of homeschooling when she became the first homeschooled child to win the National Spelling Bee. She was one of 17 homeschooled students among 245 competitors in the 70th annual bee, held in May 1997.(1)

The rise of homeschooling, of course, reflects broadening dissatisfaction with formal education in the United States. From its modest beginnings in one-room schoolhouses, American education has grown into a gargantuan government enterprise. Today, about 50 million students attend more than 85,000 public schools and more than 26,000 private schools.(2) Education is the largest line item in most state budgets. The average per pupil expenditure in America's public schools is $6,993.(3)

http://www.cato.org/pubs/pas/pa-294.html

~~~

Churches, schools and the grass-roots TaXed Enough Already, Tea party...perhaps an open rejection of liberal progressive mentality across the board?

Politics, religion and education; fertile ground for those brave enough to have the courage of their convictions, eh?

Amicus

edited to add: three more female teachers, one at the high school level, two at the intermediate, charged with sex crimes against students...go figure....

Jealous, now aren't we???? Ami could have had some illicit and immoral contact with his students: male and female......we know that age is no restriction for lil Ami......keep the faith, AmiCoot......there's bound to be one innocent you can deflower.............

 

[ishtat]

You can homeschool and still work outside of the home actually. Homeschooling one child takes significantly less time a day than schooling a classroom of 30. I know homeschooling families who homeschool after dinner. Most of the time the kids are with other family during the day - grandparents or aunts.

We homeschool two (eight and nine) and they wouldn't go back to school if we paid them. We do a homeschool co-op one day a week, and homeschool the other four days, including using an online system, and a different computer program for my daughter (who's dyslexic). Hubbie and I work from home, so we split up the days, and we both teach in the co-op.

It honestly only takes 2-3 hours a day to school at home and still cover the same (usually more) material as they cover in school.

How do you measure their performance and against what criteria?

Is there a risk of the home schooled child being excessively dependent on its parents(' grandparents, aunts") for social contacts.

Ultimately your children will go into and compete with other non home schooled people. Could you identify any potential problems?

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

In many communities home-schoolers are well-organized for academic, sports, and social activities.

 

[amicus]

How do you measure their performance and against what criteria?

Is there a risk of the home schooled child being excessively dependent on its parents(' grandparents, aunts") for social contacts.

Ultimately your children will go into and compete with other non home schooled people. Could you identify any potential problems?

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A couple, at least, ways to look at that, Ishtat...although home schooling does not necessitate social isolation. If conformity is your goal in education, then a potential problem might be, (god forbid), different or even conflicting social more's.

You can, of course, mold children to a degree, as Catholic schools do, but my experience has led me to consider each child as a separate, unique individual who proceeds in life at his or her own rate and interests.

Current State requirements such as State History and social studies, as both are subjective, are in large part a waste of time and courses that bore students to sleep.

In principle, I am opposed to forced, mandated public school, but the item concerning home churches caught my attention as I can understand the rejection of the moral code that many modern churches have developed to pander to current moral themes.

So many religious scandals over the years...that to me, it makes sense that people are deserting the formal religions.

Amicus

 

[Boxlicker101]

How do you measure their performance and against what criteria?

Is there a risk of the home schooled child being excessively dependent on its parents(' grandparents, aunts") for social contacts.

Ultimately your children will go into and compete with other non home schooled people. Could you identify any potential problems?

I would think you could compare home-schooled students against others with SAT scores or pre-graduation tests or similar criteria. Home-schooled children might be harmed by a lack of social life, but they might be able to compensate with church and Scouts and Little League and similar programs.

I admit I have no personal knowledge of home-schooling, but I would think the advantages would outweigh the drawbacks, assuming the teacher is good.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

In ten years all public schools will be special education facilities for kids like your's who need meds and an audience.

 

[Liar]

In principle, I am opposed to forced, mandated public school, but the item concerning home churches caught my attention as I can understand the rejection of the moral code that many modern churches have developed to pander to current moral themes.

So many religious scandals over the years...that to me, it makes sense that people are deserting the formal religions.

Amicus

It's been a bit of a trend in the last three decades or so in many parts of northern Europe, especially in Scandinavia. People reject the dogmas of the autoritarian religions and leave the big organized churches in droves. This was long held to mean that we were becoming a secular and atheist people. But the number of self proclaimed atheists have not grown, and as many people still consider themselves Christrians (or what-have-you) as they did half a century ago.

They just don't think of the big Chuch Machine of priests and pastors and hierachies and fancy buildings as a nessecary middle man between them and their choice of God. It's Luther taken to the next level.

And yep, the disillusionmesnt from many a scandal have most likely been a big catalyst.

 

[R. Richard]

How do you measure their performance and against what criteria?

Is there a risk of the home schooled child being excessively dependent on its parents(' grandparents, aunts") for social contacts.

Ultimately your children will go into and compete with other non home schooled people. Could you identify any potential problems?

Home schooling is an enormous problem for the educational establishment.

If home schooling is measurably inferior to public schooling, then home schooling obviously shouldn't be allowed. However, there is then a need to measure home schooling (not a problem) and public schooling (big problem.) The public schools teacher's unions really don't want any testing at all. The problem really isn't testing, if you teach someone something, the someone can either demonstrate competence or not. If you teach someone nothing, the someone can't really demonstrate competence. If you teach someone nothing, then it becomes necessary to evaluate the student via subjective grading. This last is a method called 'hiring the fox to guard the hen house.')

If home schooling is equal to public shooling, then why do we pay to 'train' professional teachers? Once again, there is then a need to measure home schooling (not a problem) and public schooling (big problem.) The public schools teacher's unions really don't want any testing at all. Perhaps the reason is that testing would reveal areas where home schooling is better than public schooling and areas where home schooling is inferior to public schooling. Both home schooling and public would obviously benefit, as the superior techniques could then be used in each area. The only losers would be the incompetent teachers.

If home schooling is better tan public shooling, then why do we pay to 'train' professional teachers? Once again, there is then a need to measure home schooling (not a problem) and public schooling (big problem.) The public schools teacher's unions really don't want any testing at all. Perhaps the reason is that testing would reveal why home schooling is better than public schooling and areas where public schooling could improve. Public would obviously benefit, as the superior techniques could then be used in the public schools. The only losers would be the incompetent teachers.

As to the advantages of social development provided by public schooling, you also need to consider the disadvantages. If you think that it's an advantage for children to associate with the likes of my younger self, you need to turn your children over to a public agency, where at least they can get sane supervision.

JMNTHO.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

My daughter home-schooled her 3 children. The oldest is now a junior at a California college and recently elected to Phi Beta Kappa. She's 17 years old.

I was rigid and strict about the book learning, as is my daughter. The time for monkey business is after the work is done. Not at the kitchen table, not in the classroom. My daughter pulled the kids from public school because of the monkey business in the classrooms. Teachers cant segregate or discipline the kids, so the kids show their asses and hold everyone back.

With the job before I retired I visited schools and observed kids in classrooms; I recall one kid sitting atop a computer monitor! High schools and middle schools were run by the inmates.

My daughter short-circuited all that nonsense; her kids did their work then participated in afternoon sports and other social activities that were safe and supervised. All they really missed was the chaos that the niggaz and migrants and white trash bring to school.

 

[Weird Harold]

I admit I have no personal knowledge of home-schooling, but I would think the advantages would outweigh the drawbacks, assuming the teacher is good.

You know what happens when you "ass-u-me," Right?

There is one undeniable advantage to home schooling -- if parents care enough about education to home school, the child(ren) know without a doubt that education is important. That is true no matter whether the reason for home schooling is a belief that the school system will fail to teach the child(ren) or a belief that the school will teach them something the parents don't want them to learn.

However, the benefit of parental emphasis on the importance of education is there whether the child(ren) is home schooled or the parent is just involved in supporting the public school system. The other benefits/detriments to home schooling vs public schooling are pretty much a draw, IMHO. Public schools have the advantage of the "economy of scale" and proffessional educators, but they're underfunded and full of disruptive child(ren) who have little or no parental emphasis on education,

Personally, I believe that home schooling is, in general, a bad thing; the nature of home schooling is that it of uncertain quality and inherently insular. Students of home schooling are rarely exposed to radically opposed viewpoints/cultures -- home schooling co-ops tend to consist of parents with a similar philosophy of education and what student(s) should learn when even if there is nominaly cultural diversity within the co-op.

Public school, on the other hand, generally reflects the cultural diversity and full bell curve of the population of the school district. I'm NOT a big fan of "protecting precious snowflakes" from the realities of life. Home schooling is a form of childproofing the world instead of world-proofing the child.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Home schooling operates on the same principles that basic military training does, IE, get everyone on the same page, going the same direction, and fuck the diversity crap.

The diversity crap got started back in the 20s with an anthropologist named Franz Boaz; Franz got all the co-eds believing that all cultures and societies are loved by Jesus equally, and a Nazi is no less a child of God than is an Amish girl. Thats how crazee Franz was.

Your average project nigga and preggo trailer trash are boils on America's ass.

 

[R. Richard]

First of all, JBJ, I'm offended by your use of 'white trash' as a pejorative. I feel that white trash has a place, a mission and a role in this world. My outlook isn't at all colored (no pun intrended) by the group to which I belong.

As to the idea of proofing the child against the world. The Annointed one doesn't send his daughters to public school, 'cause he don't want 'em associating with no niggaz. He gonna improve the public schools by spending more money. Mind you he don't wanna make no changes that upset the teacher's union, just spend more money.

One thing that I will grant about the public schools. When I was in attendance, the niggaz be learnin' not to call nobody no 'crude motherfucker.' (The learning process was definitely not part of the mandated school curriculum, but was conducted, mainly after school, on an ad hoc basis.)

 

[amicus]

Some 'convenient truths': Debating whether public or home schooling is best, is subjective, not measurable in terms of generalities and in general, a waste of time.

Fact: Our Constitution gave no authority for government to become involved, at any level, in education.

Fact" Our Constitution gave no authority for government to forbid, ban, or restrict any item one might inhale, consume or otherwise ingest.

I was pleased to notice the confirmation concerning the exodus from mega churches elsewhere in the world.

If the Tea Party can realize its' goals of smaller government, then the Post Office, Social Security, Medicare & Medicaid will all be privatized; the Federal Departments of Education, EPA, Agriculture and Federal Drug Administration plus many, many more Federal and State Agencies will be abolished and the size of government and thus expenditures, will be immediately cut in half.

I tieed together home churches, home schooling and the Tea Party as indications that American's in general are rejecting big government and conveyorbelt religion and education.

After more than forty years it is interesting to hear my own thoughts and words coming back to me. Perhaps it won't take a violent revolution after all to rid the nation of the progressive agenda of the past century....but I doubt it.

Amicus

 

[Boxlicker101]

Some 'convenient truths': Debating whether public or home schooling is best, is subjective, not measurable in terms of generalities and in general, a waste of time.

Fact: Our Constitution gave no authority for government to become involved, at any level, in education.

Fact" Our Constitution gave no authority for government to forbid, ban, or restrict any item one might inhale, consume or otherwise ingest.

I was pleased to notice the confirmation concerning the exodus from mega churches elsewhere in the world.

If the Tea Party can realize its' goals of smaller government, then the Post Office, Social Security, Medicare & Medicaid will all be privatized; the Federal Departments of Education, EPA, Agriculture and Federal Drug Administration plus many, many more Federal and State Agencies will be abolished and the size of government and thus expenditures, will be immediately cut in half.

I tieed together home churches, home schooling and the Tea Party as indications that American's in general are rejecting big government and conveyorbelt religion and education.

After more than forty years it is interesting to hear my own thoughts and words coming back to me. Perhaps it won't take a violent revolution after all to rid the nation of the progressive agenda of the past century....but I doubt it.

Amicus

You are right that this is strictly a subjective debate, especially for somebody like I, who has no home-schooling experience and no children in school, although I do have four grandchildren in public schools. I suppose it is a waste of time, but it makesd for an interesting debate.

I don't know, but I don't believe the Tea Party, as a whole, has such a drastic whittling down of government in mind.

Now, just to keep things even:

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[amicus]

The Goldwater Republicans in 1964, ancient history to most by now, had precisely the same small government political philosophy as does the current Tea Party crowd.

And while most progressives claim conventional and traditional values are antiquarian, there are many basic values that are universal and remain valid and true regardless of the era one happens to live in.

Intellectually, it does not surprise me that America must revisit her beginnings and rise above the muck of egalitarianism; emotionally, it saddens me that so many lives have been lost and wasted, dreams and futures sacrificed for some will-o-the-wist socialist dream.

Amicus