Hollywood leftist sheep

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August 17, 2002

Hollywood leftist sheep

Do you ever wonder what kind of remarkable coincidence is responsible for Hollywood's near-unanimous liberalism? How can it be that almost all directors, producers and actors hail from the political left -- even those who don't have a clue about politics?

Could it be something in the water out there? Could it be that they all happen to be "enlightened"? Could it be their wealth-induced guilt (I can barely conceive of the enormity of their hypocrisy in constantly bashing capitalism while raking in their millions)? Could it be that their artsy fartsy idealism blinds them to reality? Could it be that they want to be taken seriously in real life by Eastern liberal intellectuals because their jobs require them to playact in fantasyland? Could it be that they all just happen to be overflowing with compassion? Could it be peer pressure and their craving of one another's approval? Could it be that their immoral lifestyle will not accommodate a conservative world view?

Regardless, it is clear that the overwhelming majority of the Tinseltown elite march in lockstep on political matters and that those who don't are ostracized and shunned, if not outright blacklisted. Certain others are obviously afraid to come out of the closet for fear of reprisal.

All of this leads inescapably to the conclusion that the Hollywood left, by and large, cannot possess those attributes most proudly claimed by liberals: independence of thought, open-mindedness and tolerance. If they were truly the independent thinkers liberals fashion themselves to be, it is highly unlikely they would all share the same
political, cultural and social beliefs. And if they were as open-minded and tolerant as leftists purport to be, they would not, by employing the intimidation tactics they often decry as McCarthyism, scare into silence that small cadre of conservatives lurking in the shadows.

Do you think I'm overstating the case? If so, how do you explain what happened to actress Sharon Lawrence after her photo appeared in People magazine on a page showcasing high-profile Republicans, including George W. Bush?

According to an article in the Hollywood Reporter, Lawrence "was dogged by hate mail and unfriendly questions from producers about her political views." This prompted Lawrence, a committed Democrat, to observe: "If one is even perceived to be a Republican in Hollywood, there can be an excluding reaction, and people genuinely resent you." So we have it from the mouth of a self-professed Donkey.

That same Hollywood Reporter piece argued that since the Sept. 11 attacks, Hollywood has taken "a right turn," conservatives "are finally coming out of the closet" and "Hollywood is finally becoming a two party town."

Well, there may be pockets of conservative progress there -- the always-insightful film critic and radio host Michael Medved even concedes the point -- but there's no question that liberals are still dominant beyond measure.

The politically astute Cher, for example, recently affirmed her earlier statement that if Bush were elected, American minorities and women wouldn't "have one f---ing right left." A month rarely goes by without Alec Baldwin railing against us Neanderthals on the right. And just this week in Scotland, actress Susan Sarandon, offered this
profound social commentary regarding America's reaction to Sept. 11: "We're not supposed to talk about how there might have been something leading up to this, that it could have been prevented or that our actions have ramifications. We're living in a lock-down in terms of information and a certain point of view, and if you challenge
that point of view, you're anti-American."

No, Susan, it's not your dissent that leads people to wonder if you're anti-American. It's your inane and outrageously offensive implication that America's actions in some way brought on the attacks and that we might have prevented them had we acted differently. (Isn't Sarandon's complaint about being silenced dripping with irony considering Hollywood's general treatment of conservatives? These people are simply too self-absorbed to recognize their double standards.)

For those who place hope in Hollywood's transformation to political sanity because of the reported conservatism of some of its newcomers, don't get too sanguine. Youngsters of the stripe of Leonardo DiCaprio remain very much in the forefront. He routinely lambasts the United States for being the world's biggest polluter and
harangues President Bush to forfeit our sovereignty to the Kyoto Treaty. No, my friends, mindlessness is not waning on Sunset Boulevard.

Until Hollywood hotshots demonstrate some modicum of the diversity of thought they sanctimoniously demand of others, they will not and do not deserve to be taken seriously.

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Or any other celebrity for that matter. Just because you can act, sing, or play an instrument does not endow you with any particular wisdom or insight.

Ishmael
 
Who's Sharon Lawrence?

Who's David Limbaugh?

And why should we care?

I mean, anyone who doesn't realize that politics in Hollywood run to the left, or is actually offended by it, maybe just needs to take a deep breath or something. There's gotta be bigger fish to fry than Alec Baldwin and Susan Sarandon, lol.
 
lavender said:


Don't you get it? Successful, wealthy white people are *all* supposed to be conservative. When they aren't, and they aren't in politics, the people on the right get mighty scared. :)

Obviously you don't get it.

Ishmael
 
Hmmm... I think using the word "successful" in the same breath as "Alec Baldwin" might be a stretch, but I see what you're saying.

I'm just not sure why we're supposed to care about the politics of people whose only claim to fame is looking pretty in front of a camera...

Maybe that's where Traficant went wrong, lol. He just stopped being cute.
 
lavender said:
No, Ish. The problem is that I *get* you. Your politics scare me most of the time. The reason they scare me is that you actually believe this wholeheartedly. I can respect your right to believe it. I can respect that you can vocalize your beliefs in an educated format. What gets me is that you actually have these beliefs in the first place.

Of course, I know you feel the same way about me. You attribute mine to naivete and being out of touch with reality. I attribute yours for failing to see the real way things have been changing over the last decade.

And by that you infer that "you" know what reality really is, whereas I am living in a dream world.

Well I'll tell you what lavy. What group presents as monolithic a liberal view as Hollywood? Not even the Unions are that monolithic. Bush even got 2% of the black vote.

You further imply that the Hollywood set is soooooooo much more erudite, worldly, and wise than the common man. I hate to burst your bubble, but most of the so called screen idles are not far removed from babbling idiots. And they continuously demonstrate so in word and deed.

They are entitled to their opinions. But, when you behave in a greedy and pompous way while espousing "botherhood" I suggest to you that something is wrong. The hypocrisy is almost overwhelming.

I also suggest to you that there are far to many people out there that look upon these people as infallible. Not seeing them for the people they are, but rather as the people they 'portray' themselves to be. It's all part of the script and the act.

The day one of them, just one mind you, say's, "I renounce all tax hedges and from this day forth all the money that I make in excess of the average Americans salary will be donated to charity." Or the day just one steps up to the microphone and says', "There's a lot of evil in the world and the United States is NOT the source of it all." On that day I will point to that person with admiration and say, that is a 'true' liberal. A liberal in word and deed. A person worthy of debate. Because if you aren't livin' what you're talking, you're just another pile of shit huckster trying to sell nothing for something.

Ishmael
 
I thought Ronald Regan was a Republican.

Artists in general fit you bill Ishmael. To put the blame on a Hollywood politcal glass ceiling is streching it. Could it be that many of these thespians were waiting tables and living hand to mouth before stardom? Tough to vote Republican on 6 bucks an hour.
 
Where's the Exodus?...

All those courageous freedom fighters (stars) that were going to leave the US if Bush became President? Haven't heard a squeak from the cockroaches now. What was it, Cher? Baldwins? and some other lowlifes who don't appreciate, nor understand the balance of our electoral process. Considering they are impersonators pretending life in films, I'm suprised their opinions are news at all.

*All the World's a stage! :D
 
lavender said:
No, Ish. The problem is that I *get* you.
Oh man I wanna fuck lavy now. Oh yeah.

Ishmael said:
What group presents as monolithic a liberal view as Hollywood? Not even the Unions are that monolithic. Bush even got 2% of the black vote.
I want to see the proof that less than 2% of the Screen Actor's Guild voted for Bush.

The day one of them, just one mind you, say's, "I renounce all tax hedges and from this day forth all the money that I make in excess of the average Americans salary will be donated to charity." Or the day just one steps up to the microphone and says', "There's a lot of evil in the world and the United States is NOT the source of it all." On that day I will point to that person with admiration and say, that is a 'true' liberal. A liberal in word and deed. A person worthy of debate. Because if you aren't livin' what you're talking, you're just another pile of shit huckster trying to sell nothing for something.

I'm not a famous star, but

There's a lot of evil in the world and the United States is NOT the source of it all. It's not even the source of most of it. I love the US and how we try and help other countries, especially when a democrat is in the white house.

I am not going to say I renounce all the money I make in excess of the average salary. Even though I'm sure I make less currently, the idea of everyone making the same amount of money is Marxist, not Leftist. Get it straight. I already pay taxes. Happily. Well, pretty happily.
 
Oh and I forgot. The main reason for a leftist Hollywood is because a conservative movie industry would produce shit. You'd take all the violence, sex, foul language, nudity out of movies, then take out "leftist propaganda" such as premarital sex, references to homosexuality, and non-Christian customs. What we really need is a Libertarian Hollywood (though we're pretty close).
 
Ishmael said:


And by that you infer that "you" know what reality really is, whereas I am living in a dream world.

Well I'll tell you what lavy. What group presents as monolithic a liberal view as Hollywood? Not even the Unions are that monolithic. Bush even got 2% of the black vote.

You further imply that the Hollywood set is soooooooo much more erudite, worldly, and wise than the common man. I hate to burst your bubble, but most of the so called screen idles are not far removed from babbling idiots. And they continuously demonstrate so in word and deed.

They are entitled to their opinions. But, when you behave in a greedy and pompous way while espousing "botherhood" I suggest to you that something is wrong. The hypocrisy is almost overwhelming.

I also suggest to you that there are far to many people out there that look upon these people as infallible. Not seeing them for the people they are, but rather as the people they 'portray' themselves to be. It's all part of the script and the act.

The day one of them, just one mind you, say's, "I renounce all tax hedges and from this day forth all the money that I make in excess of the average Americans salary will be donated to charity." Or the day just one steps up to the microphone and says', "There's a lot of evil in the world and the United States is NOT the source of it all." On that day I will point to that person with admiration and say, that is a 'true' liberal. A liberal in word and deed. A person worthy of debate. Because if you aren't livin' what you're talking, you're just another pile of shit huckster trying to sell nothing for something.

Ishmael

I agree with you, and there is nothing that get's me more angry than to hear a buch of uneducated people tell me I am an Idiot because I don't happen to be a liberal. And in regards to traffican (please for give the spelling), I don't know about where all of you guys live, but here in Philly they never said on the tv news what political party he was.....If he had been republican it would be "The republican Traffican..ect." But because of the liberal bias in the media it was reported as representative Traffican.
I think the Idea of liberalism is good, but the practicality of it is that it is, right now in our political as well as daily world, it is geared for division. Liberalismcan divide not only a culture, but also a country very quickly.
 
First of all, there is no such thing as "Hollywood". Mainstream movies are made all over the United States and Canada. Studios are owned by Japanese companies. Financing frequently comes from overseas. Everyone is into broadcasting, which is also based all over the country. Nobody actually does lunch on Sunset Blvd. Hollywood is a depressed little urban area with some landmarks and a new shopping center.

In other words, "Hollywood" is such an enormously broad business, and so politically diverse, with no single "Brain" running the whole thing, that the moment anyone starts a sentence with "Hollywood is ALL liberal..." (or "ALL" anything, for that matter), you can pretty much just tell him to shut up, because he doesn't know what he's talking about.
 
Oh... my.... god

Could it be that Artists support funding for the arts? No fucking way.

Hey, I'm left as all fuck, where's my three-pic deal?
 
Ishmael

Ninety+ percent of a truckstop's patrons and denizens are ahrdcore Conservatives. Not the brightest string of lights on the tree by far. On the whole, I think the Hollywood crowd is bit more intelligent, enlightened and politically saavy. Just because most of them agree on political issues doesn't mean they are sheep. Sheep are dumb and easily led. I don't think anyone who can make millions on stage or screen cab be truly classified as dumb. There are a few exceptions of course. You want sheep, talk to Rush. There isn't an independent thought in that crowd.
 
Trafficant was a Democrat

And every article ever printede regarding him had the usual D in front of his state designation. Wake up.
 
Re: Where's the Exodus?...

Lost Cause said:
All those courageous freedom fighters (stars) that were going to leave the US if Bush became President? Haven't heard a squeak from the cockroaches now. What was it, Cher? Baldwins? and some other lowlifes who don't appreciate, nor understand the balance of our electoral process. Considering they are impersonators pretending life in films, I'm suprised their opinions are news at all.

*All the World's a stage! :D

Their opinions are as relevant as yours. And maybe a bit more enlightened. They have beaten the system haven't they.
 
The Dao said:
Ishmael

You want sheep, talk to Rush. There isn't an independent thought in that crowd.


I'm sorry you've got that idea that we who listen to El Rushbo, are "sheep". MANY listeners listen because , he's right, and because he shows a different side of a story you might have heard somewhere else!! He says his 2 cents, and its up to the listener to decide. For many this is better than the forcefed news bits you see on the other media sources.



(Just my thoughts on that phrase)
 
Re: Re: Where's the Exodus?...

THe Dao said:


Their opinions are as relevant as yours. And maybe a bit more enlightened. They have beaten the system haven't they.

How exactly did they beat the system.

And I have to echo Spinaroonie's sentiments. Funding for the arts is a leftist ideal. DCL, great point. Perhaps the culture in Hollywood is predominantly leftist. And if those "closeted" rightists (is that a word?), haven't stood up to the "blacklisting", then why should we help them cry in their soup?

And as to the idea that a true liberal movie star would give up any excess income is ridiculous. How about sports stars? Or anyone who makes an excessive amount of money?

Not the clearest of points I have made here, but I'm going to bed now. Leftist or Rightist, it's the ones who are in the public eye that get shit on. But how many "sheep" are there out in the world who don't have a public voice?
 
Ishmael said:

The day one of them, just one mind you, say's, "I renounce all tax hedges and from this day forth all the money that I make in excess of the average Americans salary will be donated to charity." Or the day just one steps up to the microphone and says', "There's a lot of evil in the world and the United States is NOT the source of it all." On that day I will point to that person with admiration and say, that is a 'true' liberal. A liberal in word and deed.

Ishmael

Where did you ever get the notion that liberals believe in this? I hear this scare talk from conservatives a lot, that liberals want to take everyone down (or up) to a common financial denominator but I've yet to hear a liberal say it, other than the most extreme, communistic sort. You've got extremists on the right as well and what the skinheads and nazis and flakes in tarpaper shacks in Idaho (not to mention Rush and his ilk) say is at least as absurd but I'd never spout off that YOU must believe it too just because you're conservative.

It kills me when conservatives complain about being stereotyped, then merrily proceed to do it themselves...with a vengence.
 
The Dao said:
Ishmael

Ninety+ percent of a truckstop's patrons and denizens are ahrdcore Conservatives. Not the brightest string of lights on the tree by far. On the whole, I think the Hollywood crowd is bit more intelligent, enlightened and politically saavy. Just because most of them agree on political issues doesn't mean they are sheep. Sheep are dumb and easily led. I don't think anyone who can make millions on stage or screen cab be truly classified as dumb. There are a few exceptions of course. You want sheep, talk to Rush. There isn't an independent thought in that crowd.

Jeez, done your homework huh?

The studies are in, not even the Democrats argue with them. The average Republican has a higher IQ, and more education (and as a result, really does make more money) than the average Democrat. That information has been out there for years.

Ishmael
 
MechaBlade said:
Oh and I forgot. The main reason for a leftist Hollywood is because a conservative movie industry would produce shit. You'd take all the violence, sex, foul language, nudity out of movies, then take out "leftist propaganda" such as premarital sex, references to homosexuality, and non-Christian customs. What we really need is a Libertarian Hollywood (though we're pretty close).

Golly, what you'd have there is a "G" rated movie. It may surprise you to know that "G" rated movies out sell both "PG" and "R" at the box office.

I imagine "Citizen Kane" would be so much better remade with gratuituos violence, sex, and street language. There are some stories that can't be realistically told without the use of some of these tools, but the operative word here is "gratuitous".

Ishmael
 
Dixon Carter Lee said:
First of all, there is no such thing as "Hollywood". Mainstream movies are made all over the United States and Canada. Studios are owned by Japanese companies. Financing frequently comes from overseas. Everyone is into broadcasting, which is also based all over the country. Nobody actually does lunch on Sunset Blvd. Hollywood is a depressed little urban area with some landmarks and a new shopping center.

In other words, "Hollywood" is such an enormously broad business, and so politically diverse, with no single "Brain" running the whole thing, that the moment anyone starts a sentence with "Hollywood is ALL liberal..." (or "ALL" anything, for that matter), you can pretty much just tell him to shut up, because he doesn't know what he's talking about.

"Hollywood" is the symbolic moniker for the business. It has dispersed and the old moguls are no longer there but the public still identifies the making of movies with Hollywood, your comments as to the reality of the situation not withstanding.

Ishmael
 
Ishmael said:


Golly, what you'd have there is a "G" rated movie. It may surprise you to know that "G" rated movies out sell both "PG" and "R" at the box office.

I imagine "Citizen Kane" would be so much better remade with gratuituos violence, sex, and street language. There are some stories that can't be realistically told without the use of some of these tools, but the operative word here is "gratuitous".

Ishmael

I gotta agree with you on this one, Ishmael. I was thinking pretty much the same thing.
 
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