Hitler was an environmentalist

[sygn]

Just came across these interesting views:

1. First of all, progressives and particularly feminists mistakenly conflate environmentalism and humanism.
But they are different: Humanism is founded on Christian beliefs, they believe that humans are special and everyone deserves dignity.
Whereas environmentalists view humans as bad for the planet, that there are too many of us, and probably the best thing for the planet would be if we'd never existed.

2. Secondly, Nazis were die hard greenies and enviromentalists.
What pushed their doctrine towards the extreme was the fact that they practiced a pagan, anti-Christian environmentalism. They rejected the notion that humans are created in God’s image, and that the weak should be protected.


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My comments:

Does this remind you of anyone?
Greta Gundberg, more specifically some of the things that her advisers are telling her to say.
I agree with most of what she said, but I was struck by ‘her’ lack of empathy and even disgust of the (already impoverished) French,
who were protesting their dramatic drop in quality of living when Macron tried to make France go green..

 

[jomar]

Weak = Jewish. Reject protection = holocaust. Got it.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Weak = Jewish. Reject protection = holocaust. Got it.

Pfffft....the "holocaust" was a myth, just like "global warming" and the "coronavirus". Ask anyone wearing a MAGA hat, they'll set you straight.

 

[sygn]

Weak = Jewish. Reject protection = holocaust. Got it.

It's actually from a temperate source (Tom Holland, historian) - I didn't post the link in the OP because it would have looked pretentious.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8J2aChrf7Q
I paraphrased what he said at minutes 50.54 to 56.00

 

[SpeareChucker]

Oh yeah, it is well-known that the German culture was driven by Romanticism
and a back-to-nature drive and so was the Nazi movement simply by extension.

 

[MohanSingh]

Pathetic attention seeking post.

 

[sygn]

Pathetic attention seeking post.

Why don't you stick to writing about fucking pregnant milky milfs
and fuck off from my thread

 

[MohanSingh]

Why don't you stick to writing about fucking pregnant milky milfs
and fuck off from my thread

Haha. Have a read. It might do you good to jerk off.

 

[LupusDei]

Oh yeah, it is well-known that the German culture was driven by Romanticism
and a back-to-nature drive and so was the Nazi movement simply by extension.

Sure, and it's one of those, "oh shame they're such nutcases" moments about them. They could have normalized nudism, but as with anything, they wanted too much too fast.

 

[sygn]

Oh yeah, it is well-known that the German culture was driven by Romanticism
and a back-to-nature drive and so was the Nazi movement simply by extension.

Tbh I didn't know that before,
but this, too explains Hitler's methodical atrocities.

I think that limiting ourselves to the theory "he did it because he was a German supremacist /racist monster" isn't a good idea.
For one, it doesn't explain why he sent handicapped and chronically ill Germans too, to the gas chamber.

 

[SpeareChucker]

They weakened the people.
Remember, group exercises were popularized to make the people strong.

Look to the art of the period prior; it featured small groups of "beautiful"
people is idyllic natural settings, it was, of course replaced by Nazi/Soviet-style art,
but it was one of the leading influences before and during.

They went from Hermann Hesse to Günter Grass...

 

[LupusDei]

Ultimately the whole thing could be seen as episode in millennia old conflict between Sun [cult] people and Moon [cult] people (Abrahamic religions are seen as part of), one particularly embarrassing for the Sun people. One of their greatest crimes from my point of view was exactly the malicious missappropriation of the cultural roots we share (as broadly as Indoeuropeans even, but also regionally and so forth).

The underlying "Sun cult paganism" is by default "environmentalist" because it see humans at best as guardians of the garden, and world itself as inherently fragile, something integrity of with anyone is responsible for everyday.

 

[Tryharder62]

Ultimately the whole thing could be seen as episode in millennia old conflict between Sun [cult] people and Moon [cult] people (Abrahamic religions are seen as part of), one particularly embarrassing for the Sun people. One of their greatest crimes from my point of view was exactly the malicious missappropriation of the cultural roots we share (as broadly as Indoeuropeans even, but also regionally and so forth).

The underlying "Sun cult paganism" is by default "environmentalist" because it see humans at best as guardians of the garden, and world itself as inherently fragile, something integrity of with anyone is responsible for everyday.

Explain how Christianity is a moon cult?

 

[SpeareChucker]

Explain how Christianity is moon cult?

They worship on Moondays...

 

[Tryharder62]

They worship on Moondays...

I worship big time on Sundays! Get it. Lol

 

[sygn]

Ultimately the whole thing could be seen as episode in millennia old conflict between Sun [cult] people and Moon [cult] people (Abrahamic religions are seen as part of), one particularly embarrassing for the Sun people. One of their greatest crimes from my point of view was exactly the malicious missappropriation of the cultural roots we share (as broadly as Indoeuropeans even, but also regionally and so forth).

The underlying "Sun cult paganism" is by default "environmentalist" because it see humans at best as guardians of the garden, and world itself as inherently fragile, something integrity of with anyone is responsible for everyday.

Gosh, this post is freakingtastic. Please post consistently in my threads.
I Did come across comments on difference between Western and Eastern worldviews, but they never wrapped it up as nicely as you did here.
(BTW Tom Holland makes a great point that "secularization" and the dichotomy atheists versus Christians are bullshit. Because most of us, atheists like Sam Harris included subconsciously think like and apply the morality of Christianity -- it is, after all the philosophical system that permeated our culture for 1.000 years, ffs)


I see another great summary of differences between Abrahamic and Dharmic religions:
--The Abrahamic religions
teach that God is separate from creation (dualism),
Followers seek to have a relationship with God, who gives his creations a moral code to live by (“do’s” and “don’ts,” commandments or laws). So one must prove themselves worthy.
-- The South Asian religions
teach that the God and creation are a single entity (monism).
Followers believe that they are already united with God, and they seek only to realize and appreciate this fact which has been obscured by their human perception. So one must simply "awaken".
(The SA God is the same as the creations, so there is no need for anyone to command anyone. Their scriptures of propose a mechanical system of morality where actions cause their own reactions (karma), and, for the most part, they avoid saying that any action is wrong in and of itself.)
https://www.quora.com/What-are-the-differences-between-Abrahamic-and-Non-Abrahamic-religions



So basically environmentalism is a kitch-ified appropriation of Dharmic philosophy?

 

[sygn]

Ultimately the whole thing could be seen as episode in millennia old conflict between Sun [cult] people and Moon [cult] people (Abrahamic religions are seen as part of), one particularly embarrassing for the Sun people. One of their greatest crimes from my point of view was exactly the malicious missappropriation of the cultural roots we share (as broadly as Indoeuropeans even, but also regionally and so forth).

The underlying "Sun cult paganism" is by default "environmentalist" because it see humans at best as guardians of the garden, and world itself as inherently fragile, something integrity of with anyone is responsible for everyday.

Could you please elaborate on the highlighted part? I didn't fully understand.

 

[Tryharder62]

I see another great summary of differences between Abrahamic and Dharmic religions:
--The Abrahamic religions
teach that God is separate from creation (dualism),
Followers seek to have a relationship with God, who gives his creations a moral code to live by (“do’s” and “don’ts,” commandments or laws). So one must prove themselves worthy.

Just a tid bit about Christianity vs the other Abrahamic religions. While the other Abrahamic religions must prove themselves worthy, Christians believe, on our own, we will never be worthy.
We all have fallen short of the glory of God, but through belief in what Jesus did on the cross we can be saved.

 

[LupusDei]

Explain how Christianity is a moon cult?

They worship on Moondays...

Actually... yes, seven day week is part of it (versus nine day week of Sun calendar).

I worship big time on Sundays!

With is a name appropriated from Celtic culture and, yes, a Sun cult.

And, for a little example, remind me how Christian Easter date is determined? What moon phase have to do with what should have been just plain and simple spring equinox?

It isn't that obvious though, nor should be seen as literally, and Christianity is indeed much diluted by the sun cults it swallowed in it's expansion, so it's more by association (unlike Islam, the younger sister in the group, with should be obvious). It's more about direction of the philosophy, human centric versus holistic worldview, that either elevates man as something special and declare them as owners of the world versus just as minor element of the whole system with inherent responsibility to preserve it. Also, linear versus cyclical view of history.

 

[Tryharder62]

Actually... yes, seven day week is part of it (versus nine day week of Sun calendar).




With is a name appropriated from Celtic culture and, yes, a Sun cult.

And, for a little example, remind me how Christian Easter date is determined? What moon phase have to do with what should have been just plain and simple spring equinox?

It isn't that obvious though, nor should be seen as literally, and Christianity is indeed much diluted by the sun cults it swallowed in it's expansion, so it's more by association (unlike Islam, the younger sister in the group, with should be obvious). It's more about direction of the philosophy, human centric versus holistic worldview, that either elevates man as something special and declare them as owners of the world versus just as minor element of the whole system with inherent responsibility to preserve it. Also, linear versus cyclical view of history.

Definitely a different perspective than I have ever heard before. Thank you for elaborating. I was not taking moon literally. I was seeing it as the Unification movement. Interesting.

 

[LupusDei]

Could you please elaborate on the highlighted part? I didn't fully understand.

Oh, let's start with the very swastika, the Fire Cross. According to one interpretation, what they chose is the "negative" direction of the branches, intentionally or not. (With on itself have no more meaning than black in ing-yang though.) They sure did seek to use "magic" to attain and increase their power. There's famous photographs with show Hitler making certain gestures, for crowd control and otherwise. That's generally not a good idea, unless you know very well what exactly you're doing indeed. Hitler didn't, he was another idiot very much Trump's style.

They send expeditions to Tibet, but overlooked the possible true "Aryans" much closer to home, and their own true roots -- and yes, I'm speaking about Baltic or, if you're brave (because that's political battleground and minefield) proto-Baltic-Slavic people --, mostly in their desire to define all Slavic people as "undermen." With only has any merit, even within their own system, in context of Mongol-tatar contamination. (However Moscow is very much inheriting that, along the lines seen today in Russian-Ukrainian conflict). There's a lot of mysticism and mysteries and symbolism, and while it's easy to dismiss most of it as extremely misguided, it wasn't accidental.

Curiosly, they also believed in the Hollow Earth, to the point they believed we live on the inner surface and even tried to build gigantic radar to prove it (yes, wasting resources in the very heat of the war, but that's something they did a lot, one could say, thankfully. Then, wartime megaprojects as such wasn't nothing unique to Germany, even the famous Manhattan project is only better by being a little less misguided and eventually yielding positive result of questionable value, at least as far the war at hand is considered).

What I'm saying, they discredited things and thinking they didn't even understand themselves. Nothing particularly surprising, but still hurts.

 

[HighSchoolJock]

It's actually from a temperate source (Tom Holland, historian) - I didn't post the link in the OP because it would have looked pretentious.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8J2aChrf7Q
I paraphrased what he said at minutes 50.54 to 56.00

You fucking dumb idiot Tom Holland isnt a historian hes that guy in the Spiderman movies and hes not even american so what the fuck would he even know about the holocaust just shut the fuck up before you say some dumb shit again and make yourself look like a dumb fucking bitch you dumb fucking bitch

Scotty

 

[RetroGoof88]

^^^^ small dick syndrome. Sadz.

 

[Rightguide]

Just came across these interesting views:

1. First of all, progressives and particularly feminists mistakenly conflate environmentalism and humanism.
But they are different: Humanism is founded on Christian beliefs, they believe that humans are special and everyone deserves dignity.
Whereas environmentalists view humans as bad for the planet, that there are too many of us, and probably the best thing for the planet would be if we'd never existed.

2. Secondly, Nazis were die hard greenies and enviromentalists.
What pushed their doctrine towards the extreme was the fact that they practiced a pagan, anti-Christian environmentalism. They rejected the notion that humans are created in God’s image, and that the weak should be protected.


=============


My comments:

Does this remind you of anyone?
Greta Gundberg, more specifically some of the things that her advisers are telling her to say.
I agree with most of what she said, but I was struck by ‘her’ lack of empathy and even disgust of the (already impoverished) French,
who were protesting their dramatic drop in quality of living when Macron tried to make France go green..

Many in the environmental movement are former communists who joined the movement to continue the fight against capitalism after the fall of the Soviet Union. They have a lot in common with Hitler and his fascist forms of totalitarianism and understand its use is the only way to impose their agenda on the free people who dominate the most productive and successful civilizations on the Planet.

 

[InsightRiot]

Eastern Orthodox Christians use the Julian calendar to formulate the date for Pascha (know as Easter in western Christianity). The date will fall on or after the first full moon of the vernal equinox, aka the egg moon. Eastern Christians hold a midnight service.

That’s all I know for now, got more learning to do!