Hitchcock...Now Who Would Have Thought?

[catalina_francisco]

While plastering yet another wall I have been listening to a documentary on Hitchcock whose movies I have loved from way back but never really thought about in a lifestyle manner.

Has anyone else considered the possibility he was a Dom or at least would have made an excellent one? All those sadistic tendencies he had to indulge; his love of creating the 'male in control - female succumbing to the power no matter how determined' type scenario; his need to control or participate in every facet of the film, even advertising; his confidence in his ability to go where no-one elkse had been and make it sell;....and a great sense of humour, often unexpected, wry, and unusual in it's delivery. Then just as I was thinking along these lines they played a scene of James Stewart, female co-star in his grip as he interrogated her with accusations of being 'trained' by the other man, doing whatever he told her to, then remarking with a sneer how he bet she was a very apt pupil as well. So does anyone have any favourite Hitch memories to share...and thoughts on his domly qualities?

I can see I will have to rent out some Hitchcock again as it has been awhile, and as with most things, visiting them each few years often brings a completely new view and perception. Not sure which would be my favourite Hitchcock, but Rear Window is one of the faves. LOL, and of course just as the doco was finishing I accidentally zapped myself and blew the electricity throughout the house (rather fitting?!!) which brought my son to the rescue and now checking me every 5 minutes. Also had a call right after it from Masterful One who also gave me a lecture about being more careful. So now I have a slightly sore hand to deal with and a sense of relief I am still here.

Catalina

 

[CutieMouse]

*****

 

[Netzach]

yes but there's a femme kind of psychological subtlety to the Dominance of a Hitchcock Dom. He doesn't dominate with consistant firmness, he doesn't do it with rigidity, he's usually disgusted with himself on a level, it's a perverse act and the pleasures in it are perverse, and it's capricious and most of all *emotional.* It's what gets said, it's the scathing humiliation of it.

To me, Hitchcock is populated with enticing, yummy, somewhat effeminate and villanous controllers, my favorite.

I don't know any MDoms who work this archetype maybe it's a relic, maybe they are all so far to the right on the Kinsey scale it's a moot point. Few men understand the model well, but it's the only one that makes me melty and pliable, ever.

All of his men seem to have latent perversity of some kind or another, the obsessive voyeur of Rear Window, the Svengali brutality of Vertigo. I mean look at Rope for goodness' sake, it's about Leopold and Loeb, the most notorious homos of the first part of the century...there's something bent in the air and I like it.

 

[AngelicAssassin]

While plastering yet another wall I have been listening to a documentary on Hitchcock whose movies I have loved from way back but never really thought about in a lifestyle manner.

Think about the word director kittycat. The successful ones mold disparate groups of people: actors, writers, et al into what they wish. i'd think by definition, a director could be little else than a dominant. But, BOT, i watched a history channel doc about 4 or 5 months ago on the man ... and smiled through the whole thing.

yes but there's a femme kind of psychological subtlety to the Dominance of a Hitchcock Dom.

Shame on you QBotU. You got the right descriptor, subtlety, but i think you do Mdoms an unintentional disservice by suggesting it to be femme in nature. i've found the most satisfying sadism usually has a good deal of subtleness, if not an outright Mandarin intrigue, wrapped in layers. Sometimes an onion ain't an onion, but will bring tears nonetheless.

 

[catalina_francisco]

Think about the word director kittycat. The successful ones mold disparate groups of people: actors, writers, et al into what they wish. i'd think by definition, a director could be little else than a dominant. But, BOT, i watched a history channel doc about 4 or 5 months ago on the man ... and smiled through the whole thing.Shame on you QBotU. You got the right descriptor, subtlety, but i think you do Mdoms an unintentional disservice by suggesting it to be femme in nature. i've found the most satisfying sadism usually has a good deal of subtleness, if not an outright Mandarin intrigue, wrapped in layers. Sometimes an onion ain't an onion, but will bring tears nonetheless.

LOL, I loved it when someone spoke of him being asked why he made the movies he did and he answered 'because I can'. Now that sounds Dommish to me.

Catalina

 

[AngelicAssassin]

... and he answered 'because I can' ...

and the most natural thing that ever rolled off the lips of a child, pyl, or PYL.

Amazing, isn't it.

 

[catalina_francisco]

and the most natural thing that ever rolled off the lips of a child, pyl, or PYL.

Amazing, isn't it.

LOL, yes, but there is something in the delivery which can add that special something.

Catalina

 

[Netzach]

Shame on you QBotU. You got the right descriptor, subtlety, but i think you do Mdoms an unintentional disservice by suggesting it to be femme in nature. i've found the most satisfying sadism usually has a good deal of subtleness, if not an outright Mandarin intrigue, wrapped in layers. Sometimes an onion ain't an onion, but will bring tears nonetheless.

Fair enough, fair enough. MDoms can and do have "it" just not as often as I'd like. And often I think I've found it to be sorely disappointed once under the sheets, bleah.

In defense, you know me, having a penis doesn't prohibit someone from having femme qualities, nor the opposite. If it's femme in nature it's still obtainable to the MDoms --get over the stigma of "femme."

I find it 90 percent of the time on the distaff side, for some reason when it's not, big wetworks in N's lap. But such with masculine qualities in the girls, and all sorts of things that break the gender boxes apart at all or show holes in them.

If you ever meet me sporting a collar, you know I met some guy who has it, doesn't lose it for a moment, and isn't 100 percent gay, maybe just 50%.

 

[DVS]

Ah, my friend Alfred. Why, even his name has domination. Hitch is a sort of slang for connecting, and what is better for connecting than a cock?

In my opinion his movies were mesmerizing, his directing was perfect, his easy going but controlling ways were somewhat revealing as dominating, and speaking of that, his stomach was quite dominating.

His accent was liquid, like he always had marbles in his mouth, and he was holding them in his cheeks. But, he never failed to speak quite well, in that "nose in the air" English way of his. But, he was never stuffy or uppity. In fact, he was quite the opposite.

He was said to be as lovable as a dad, by many. But, there are more than a few dads who have dominant tendencies, I'm sure we all agree. My own dad had a low-key way about him, but you knew when he meant business.

Hitchcock was sure on his ideas and that's where he was a stickler. But, he wasn't a tyrant, if someone else's idea was better. It's just that he knew what he liked. A Dom?

Someone somewhere said his victims were always blonde females. I remember most of them were blonde, but I don't know if they all were. Maybe it would be interesting to check. I do know Grace Kelly was his favorite.

He liked seeing himself on the screen, and that was probably a main reason he made sure he had a spot somewhere in all of his movies. He had a bit of an ego, I'd guess. A Dom?

And, that was a deciding factor in his decision to go ahead with the TV show idea. He was said to be concerned at first, moving from the big screen to the small, but his fondness for personal appearance won him over.

I loved his TV show. The opening scene where he would walk up and fill the silhouette on the screen. I swear his stomach arrived 2 minutes before the rest of him. And, when he said those opening words... "Good Evening" with that accent, drawing the words out as he did. God, I would get chills...and I'm not even submissive!

I remember how he would almost make fun of the commercials, as if they were a necessary evil that we had to endure, so the show could be on. A Dom?

"Rear Window", with Jimmy Stewart and Grace Kelly was my favorite of his movies, although it's difficult to pick a favorite, when you love them all.

I think it's one of my favorites because Stewart is one of my favorites, and I was entranced by Grace Kelly. I was devastated that she would leave movies to marry the prince of Monaco, and equally devastated when she died.

"Psycho" is another favorite, but there's been parody after parody of it, and I wish there were limits to such things. But, I guess it's a sign of envy.

That shower scene has been talked about and analyzed over and over. That slow zoom of the camera, the steady shot on Janet Leigh's lifeless open eye, the bloody water running down the drain, with that powerful music playing behind it all. You know that blood is red, even though it's shot in black and white. That's classic Hitchcock.

"The Birds" was another one of my favorites. Something about animals taking over got to me. That scene where they leave the house and all of the birds are just sitting on the power lines, watching and waiting. Wow.

"Vertigo", "Morth by Northwest", "Notorious" they all were films that caught you off guard. Hitchcock was truly into certain methods of control, mental manipulation and shock value in his movies. And, the fact that he was a director, which is a dominating profession, could lead one to think he was a Dom.

There's a quote from Hitchcock that I like. It's to the point, might have been considered serious at the time, but it's also lighthearted funny. Just the way Hitchcock was, I think.

When an actor comes to me and wants to discuss his character, I say, 'It's in the script.' If he says, 'But what's my motivation?, ' I say, 'Your salary.'-- Alfred Hitchcock

Now if that isn't a perfect description of a dominant personality with a soft-spoken tendency, what is?

 

[AngelicAssassin]

In defense,

Darlin' ... nothing sets off my "you're walking into an ambush" alarm than when you, of all people, say those words ... http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-8/363868/2cool2.gif

get over the stigma of "femme."

Not so much concerned with a stigma of femme as looking at the label from a different angle. Granted, Hitch definitely had some interesting qualities, perhaps one could call some of them definitively femme, but for the sake of argument could they not also fall under masterful intelligence?

I find it 90 percent of the time on the distaff side ... But such with masculine qualities in the girls, and all sorts of things that break the gender boxes apart at all or show holes in them.

and now i think i get it. Going opposite a ... damn can't think of a better word than "traditional" and it doesn't fit role flips the switch?

For me, and i'm only speaking of me, it's an exhibition of wickedly sharp intelligence that submits. Hitch carried the "wisdom and will" well, to the point he had Machiavellian producers wondering how they ended up with a butt plug in a nether orifice and coudn't do anything about it.

Whoops. Guess i drifted into that other conversation we had about entertainers in need of a severe ass reaming.

 

[Cleopatra]

I can't comment on if he had dominant qualities or not, but I do know Grace Kelly thought the world of him as a director, both publically and privately.

However, privately, she also thought that he was controlling and although that was what was needed to get the movie he wanted made finished, it wasn't the best way to "handle" his actors.

 

[AngelicAssassin]

However, privately, she also thought that he was controlling and although that was what was needed to get the movie he wanted made finished, it wasn't the best way to "handle" his actors.

Right ... and running off to marry Prince Ranier ranked right up there with the best way to handle being an actress.

 

[Cleopatra]

Right ... and running off to marry Prince Ranier ranked right up there with the best way to handle being an actress.

Heh.

Guess she wanted to be a Princess more.

 

[Netzach]

Granted, Hitch definitely had some interesting qualities, perhaps one could call some of them definitively femme, but for the sake of argument could they not also fall under masterful intelligence?and now i think i get it. Going opposite a ... damn can't think of a better word than "traditional" and it doesn't fit role flips the switch?

Usually flips MY switch. The usual nerd analogy of chaotic vs. lawful I think is the kicker. I see more chaotic tendency in "female" dominance, more lawful tendency in "male". (so count the lesbian Daddy in the latter and the suave not especially Daddy Dom male in the former)

 

[AngelicAssassin]

Heh.

Guess she wanted to be a Princess more.

Yeah, and i bet she never ran into a control issue while married to a Moroccan prince either ...

Usually flips MY switch. The usual nerd analogy of chaotic vs. lawful I think is the kicker. I see more chaotic tendency in "female" dominance, more lawful tendency in "male". (so count the lesbian Daddy in the latter and the suave not especially Daddy Dom male in the former)

That's why i asked you Netzi ... if it flipped yours.

Good Lord, you're going all D&D on me now. Fine, my Half-elf Ranger rolls a twelve sided dice to successfully SNARK in your general direction ... And darlin', you haven't seen chaotic until WHOB gets out of the cage before i clamp a tight leash on him.

 

[Netzach]

Yeah, and i bet she never ran into a control issue while married to a Moroccan prince either ... That's why i asked you Netzi ... if it flipped yours.

Good Lord, you're going all D&D on me now. Fine, my Half-elf Ranger rolls a twelve sided dice to successfully SNARK in your general direction ... And darlin', you haven't seen chaotic until WHOB gets out of the cage before i clamp a tight leash on him.

Does its leash perhaps... rather connect to a chain that ends in a ring that you hold looped around your pinky, with the most casual and offhand of nonchalance?

That's what I mean.

Yours might well, bravo.

 

[AngelicAssassin]

Does its leash perhaps... rather connect to a chain that ends in a ring that you hold looped around your pinky, with the most casual and offhand of nonchalance?

Depends on the day, the fullness of the moon, et al Ms Black and Scaley, and you know exactly to what i refer. Some days it doesn't take much effort. But by whatever diety you pray to, some days you want a trank gun and cattle prod.

 

[Netzach]

Yeah, true enough. It's a nice aspiration though. Anyway, that's kind of a visual representation of what I'm talking about.

 

[AngelicAssassin]

Anyway, that's kind of a visual representation of what I'm talking about.

And that's why i use a low volume voice. You can feel people lean forward to hear what you say. The quiet calms "things" down as well. i bark when needed, but how much sweeter to whisper. That, kind lady, makes all the difference in the world.