History Channel Takes Another LEFT Turn

[amicus]

The U.S. Department of Energy and the Nuclear Regulatory Commission plan to transport 77,000 tons of nuclear waste to a permanent storage facility 950 feet below Nevada's Yucca Mountain. If the plan goes through, much of the cargo will travel through Las Vegas, making an accident there a very disturbing possibility. If history has taught us anything, it's that transporting dangerous goods can sometimes have catastrophic results. Take a look at the potential disaster that such a rail accident would have in Las Vegas.

Rating: TVPG

Running Time: 60 minutes

Genre:Science & Technology

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I occasionally watch "Ice Road Truckers" and "Axe Men", on the History Channel, but not much more as, like PBS, it has become a conduit for left wing propaganda.

Disregarding the facts that the United States, France, Japan and other nations have safely transported and stored Nuclear waste underground for decades, now seems an opportune time for the History Channel to run a scare tactic program, just as Nuclear Energy is again being considered as a source of energy.

On another thread, one of the 'usual suspects' brought up Three Mile Island and Chernobyl as more, 'scare tactics' from the anti nuke left, forgetting that the Russians used inferior technology and everyone knew it and that there were no injuries and no escape of radiation at Three Mile.

No, I am not claiming any 'Conspiracy Theory' of left wing media outlets, but over the years it has truly been infested with aging hippies and the results are obvious.

So much for the history channel....I won't even Cap them...

Amicus...

edited to add, oh, it was called "The Glow Train", care to guess why?

 

[JagFarlane]

-groans- Don't get me started on those two incidents. I've seen the official, still rather classified incident reports. They're nothing like the press makes em out to be [aka not as bad]

 

[amicus]

Thanks, Jag, why doesn't that surprise me?

I wonder what the 'greenies' really want, anti nuke, anti oil, anti natural gas, anti coal, basically anti industrial down the line.

Do they really wanna live in mud huts and burn animal dung?

If so, I have a bucket of aged horse dung and mint fertilizer I haven't used for my garden yet that I would gladly donate.

ahem...

Amicus...

 

[only_more_so]

Thanks, Jag, why doesn't that surprise me?

I wonder what the 'greenies' really want, anti nuke, anti oil, anti natural gas, anti coal, basically anti industrial down the line.

Do they really wanna live in mud huts and burn animal dung?

If so, I have a bucket of aged horse dung and mint fertilizer I haven't used for my garden yet that I would gladly donate.

ahem...

Amicus...

Don't forget anti-hydroelectric, because it dams rivers and kills fish

Oh, and anti-windmill since they kill birds.

Nuke power gets such a bad rap and really it's the best alternative for the future, especially with breeder reactors which reduce the nuclear waste.

 

[JagFarlane]

Thanks, Jag, why doesn't that surprise me?

I wonder what the 'greenies' really want, anti nuke, anti oil, anti natural gas, anti coal, basically anti industrial down the line.

Do they really wanna live in mud huts and burn animal dung?

If so, I have a bucket of aged horse dung and mint fertilizer I haven't used for my garden yet that I would gladly donate.

ahem...

Amicus...

Some actually do that...

 

[amicus]

Good points all and accurate.

I have an acquaintance, a Nuclear Engineer, who speaks of '3rd Generation' reactors, more efficient, minimal waste and a dozen other benefits. He compared them to a comparison between a Model T Ford and a modern vehicle.

But...truth and accuracy has never dented the faith of the believers, regardless.

Amicus...

 

[Guest]

Good points all and accurate.

I have an acquaintance, a Nuclear Engineer, who speaks of '3rd Generation' reactors, more efficient, minimal waste and a dozen other benefits. He compared them to a comparison between a Model T Ford and a modern vehicle.

But...truth and accuracy has never dented the faith of the believers, regardless.

Amicus...

You've never written truer words, dear ami.

 

[DesertPirate]

I rate the History Channels "Mega-Disaster" series right up at the top of fear mongering.

France, Germany, and every other country in Europe that has nuclear power, stores the waste underground without incident. Why can't we?

In two and a half years on a Nuclear Sub, most time in a space with the reactor compartment as the aft bulkhead, I took 381 milirems lifetime dose. A TLD I took home to NM in May of 78 took 749 laying on the dashboard of my car for 26 days.
Nuke power can be done safely.

 

[JagFarlane]

I rate the History Channels "Mega-Disaster" series right up at the top of fear mongering.

France, Germany, and every other country in Europe that has nuclear power, stores the waste underground without incident. Why can't we?

In two and a half years on a Nuclear Sub, most time in a space with the reactor compartment as the aft bulkhead, I took 381 milirems lifetime dose. A TLD I took home to NM in May of 78 took 749 laying on the dashboard of my car for 26 days.
Nuke power can be done safely.

Hmmm yup...I'm about 198mrem of rad after 2.5yrs on a carrier. As I recall, one of the opening questions they ask people newly arriving to the carrier is if they flew. If you flew from Miami to Norfolk, you received more radiation in that one flight than the average nuke worker does in a month.

 

[DesertPirate]

Hmmm yup...I'm about 198mrem of rad after 2.5yrs on a carrier. As I recall, one of the opening questions they ask people newly arriving to the carrier is if they flew. If you flew from Miami to Norfolk, you received more radiation in that one flight than the average nuke worker does in a month.

My corpsman wanted to know about high desert radiation (4000 ft). He got the ELT to zero a TLD and gave it to me. I went into the lab with him to read it when I got back. The ELT, Doc, and I were amazed to say the least.

 

[amicus]

DP, Jag, it is not the actual fear of nuclear power that the 'boomers' hate, it is progress itself.

I have often described it as a 'hatred of mankind', which is never understood, but they do seem to prefer a more natural, animal like existence surrounded by pristine nature and tooth and claw. We are, as a species, omnivorous, if you recall....oh...thas right...they wanna be sheep, vegans and such...

ah, well...

ami

 

[DesertPirate]

DP, Jag, it is not the actual fear of nuclear power that the 'boomers' hate, it is progress itself.

I have often described it as a 'hatred of mankind', which is never understood, but they do seem to prefer a more natural, animal like existence surrounded by pristine nature and tooth and claw. We are, as a species, omnivorous, if you recall....oh...thas right...they wanna be sheep, vegans and such...

ah, well...

ami

I thought about putting this on "What Happened to the Environmentalists?" thread. Since the worst/most radical of the tree huggers seem to think the earth would be better off without people, maybe they started solving the problem?

 

[only_more_so]

I thought about putting this on "What Happened to the Environmentalists?" thread. Since the worst/most radical of the tree huggers seem to think the earth would be better off without people, maybe they started solving the problem?

Just like in 12 Monkeys!

 

[drksideofthemoon]

~~~

I occasionally watch "Ice Road Truckers" and "Axe Men", on the History Channel, but not much more as, like PBS, it has become a conduit for left wing propaganda.

Disregarding the facts that the United States, France, Japan and other nations have safely transported and stored Nuclear waste underground for decades, now seems an opportune time for the History Channel to run a scare tactic program, just as Nuclear Energy is again being considered as a source of energy.

On another thread, one of the 'usual suspects' brought up Three Mile Island and Chernobyl as more, 'scare tactics' from the anti nuke left, forgetting that the Russians used inferior technology and everyone knew it and that there were no injuries and no escape of radiation at Three Mile.

No, I am not claiming any 'Conspiracy Theory' of left wing media outlets, but over the years it has truly been infested with aging hippies and the results are obvious.

So much for the history channel....I won't even Cap them...

Amicus...

edited to add, oh, it was called "The Glow Train", care to guess why?

I wouldn't expect anything less from you.

The chosing of Yucca Mountain was never based on science, it was purely based for political reasons. One of the other sites in the running was in Texasss, but was dropped as nuke waste was determined to be unhealthy for bushes. Well, politically unhealthy for certain variety of Bush.

The bill that selected Yucca Mountain is known as the "Screw Nevada" bill. The most ardent supporters of the bill came from states that generated the most nuclear waste. Nevada generates no nuclear waste, but is expected to store the stuff. I think if you make nuclear waste, then you should plan on storing it.

Amicus, why don't we store the shit in your basement? Sounds like a good plan to me.

 

[amicus]

Well, Darkside, one usually expects a poster to at least be informed before one plunges into a confrontational discussion.

I don't suppose the location of the Manhattan Project during world war two, in the several locations that took place was much discussed by the civilian populace either.

And all things are political as you well know the Nuclear Regulatory Commission or Agency is and always has been.

In the event you truly don't know, the location was chosen after long and tedious consideration, taking all known factors into relevance. If you had even a clue as to the safety parameters imposed on the industry concerning waste disposal, you might be inclined to applaud those efforts rather than denigrate them.

And sure, I have vacant acreage I will gladly lease to the government for storage.

Like Anthropogenic Climate Change hysteria, the objections to storage facilities is as blatantly left wing anti nuke as it has always been, except now, when the lights are about to go out, prudent men reconsider their biases.

Amicus...

 

[Boxlicker101]

I thought about putting this on "What Happened to the Environmentalists?" thread. Since the worst/most radical of the tree huggers seem to think the earth would be better off without people, maybe they started solving the problem?

That sounds absolutely Darwinian!

 

[colddiesel]

In France their Nuclear waste is concentrated before storage and it takes up a tiny volume. Does this happen in the USA?

The French solution seems best but fear politics has prevented it being implemented elsewhere.

 

[rengadeirishman]

i dont know much about these sorts of things, but it seems to me that the fact that seemingly so much of nevada is barren desert where almost no one lives, it would be the ideal place to store nuclear waste. Heres some figures (from:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_population_density)

Nevada is 43rd in the nation with a pop. density of 18.21 per square mile

Texas is 28th in the nation with a pop. density of 79.6 per sq. mile.

i for one would have no problem with them storing it in maryland (5th in the nation with 541.9 per sq. mile) if there was barren land to put it in.

 

[keeblercrumb]

~~~

I occasionally watch "Ice Road Truckers" and "Axe Men", on the History Channel, but not much more as, like PBS, it has become a conduit for left wing propaganda.

Disregarding the facts that the United States, France, Japan and other nations have safely transported and stored Nuclear waste underground for decades, now seems an opportune time for the History Channel to run a scare tactic program, just as Nuclear Energy is again being considered as a source of energy.

On another thread, one of the 'usual suspects' brought up Three Mile Island and Chernobyl as more, 'scare tactics' from the anti nuke left, forgetting that the Russians used inferior technology and everyone knew it and that there were no injuries and no escape of radiation at Three Mile.

No, I am not claiming any 'Conspiracy Theory' of left wing media outlets, but over the years it has truly been infested with aging hippies and the results are obvious.

So much for the history channel....I won't even Cap them...

Amicus...

edited to add, oh, it was called "The Glow Train", care to guess why?

It is NOT leftist, when the forth estate questions the actions of the government.... unless freedom of the press is uniquely a leftist credo in this country.

In Russia, as we speak, the new President (Medvedev) is launching a campaign against corruption. He has created a special enforcement unit and is proposing legislation to ensure an independent judiciary. Singapore used this technique to great effect. But Singapore is small enough that fighting corruption through enforcement was manageable.

But as the op ed piece in the Moscow Times wryly noted, the single best tool for ensuring honesty and accountability in larger countries, is a free and unfettered Press and NGO's (interest groups). Something you are apparently against.

Only on very rare occasions has our own government demonstrated any interest in self-regulation and accountability. In the years of ignorance and secrecy about our nuclear material production and handling, our government has committed countless acts of incredible stupidity, typically in the name of expediency.

We now call this legacy "super fund sites".

I do not think it is far fetched to suppose they we are suddenly immune from it. Shedding a little light on the subject can only help.

You really do need to get a grip on this paranoia, Amicus, "they" are not out to get you..

Well.... maybe those guys in the white coats are......



-KC

 

[JagFarlane]

Well, Darkside, one usually expects a poster to at least be informed before one plunges into a confrontational discussion.
.

-sigh- You of all should know, most people here refuse to do much, if any, research into their statements. Even when the facts are presented to them in the thread itself that could reverse their views, or at least clarify them. Instead many just randomly throw out their uniformed views and when they are challenged, resort to the rather childish need to call names.

 

[keeblercrumb]

Soviet Era Condom

And for the record.... the collapse of the Nuclear industry in this country was directly the result of the deregulation of the Power industry.

Nuclear power has NEVER been economically competitive. Chernobyl and Three Mile only impacted the public's perception of it being a tad risky.... (Oh Ami? According to Wikipedia, "It resulted in the release of a significant amount of radioactivity, an estimated maximum of 13 million curies of noble gases (480 PBq), but under 20 curies (740 GBq) of the particularly hazardous iodine-131, to the environment")

The nukes of the 60's/70's were subsidized both by a huge federal investment in the technology and by the unlimited utility rates available to the power monopolies. They were "trophy" pieces for the industry... Don't be the last kid on the block to have a shiny new nuke....

Oh... and the contentious and extremely expensive disposal/storage of the waste? Guess who is going to pay for that...

Instead, we took the road of cheap oil and coal, the emissions be damned... The free market at work.

And while you are basking in the joy of discovering "The Nuclear Answer"... here is another minor hiccup... Particularly relevant to the latest generation of breeder reactors... The technology that makes them possible...

Weapons Grade Plutonium.

Today in Russia, YOUR government, is spending a billion or so dollars to moth balling Russian Plutonium producing power plants and replacing them with massive coal fired units. Why? Obvious... we don't want that crap out there in the Free Market. "WMD" it is called. It also pays my rent, thank you.

Take your choice. Kinda sucks no matter which way you go, doesn't it?

"What a deal", as some would say.

And while you are pigeon holing all of us "usual suspects", I have worked in, and supported the nuclear power industry despite the horrendous economic costs it incurs..... And I still do.

I guess it goes back to the day in 1967 when they shut down that black smoke belching coal power plant that left a black scar in our skies for most of my childhood. It had been replaced by a nuke...

No source of energy is free. There is a price to be paid. I, for one, think it is worth it for Nuclear Power. Coincidently reducing carbon emissions is almost a freebie. But my God man, do it with your eyes open! And with the oversight of those skeptics which keep us all honest.

Giving in to your paranoia about all of us out to enslave you will not bring you knowledge or insight or even make the gas cheaper for your car.

It just makes you ugly and insufferable.

No offense.

-KC

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

AMICUS

Some people are encased inside their natural personalities.

The one's who scream RACIST and TROLL today, screamed NIGGER-LOVER and QUEER fifty years ago.

Name calling is what they do. They sniff asses and choose their words.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

KEEBLER

I recall when Pittsburg was dark at noon.

A century ago the streets were filled with horse shit and flies. The East was barren of trees. Cesspools contaminated the ground-water people drank. It was legal to marry a preteen child in most states. Virtually no one had a high school diploma. And most people died before they were 50.

And this is how most of the usual suspects want life to be.

 

[Guest]

Wai - wai - wait.

Ami is lecturing someone else about not checking the facts?

Mr. "I never provide links for my supposed facts" amicus?

Mr. "The last time I cracked a book was to read Ms. Rand's treatise - more than 50 years ago" amicus?

Mr. "Why on earth have we allowed those pesky women to vote or even have thoughts we did not give them" amicus?

Wow. Pot and kettle.

 

[keeblercrumb]

-sigh- You of all should know, most people here refuse to do much, if any, research into their statements. Even when the facts are presented to them in the thread itself that could reverse their views, or at least clarify them. Instead many just randomly throw out their uniformed views and when they are challenged, resort to the rather childish need to call names.

AMICUS
Some people are encased inside their natural personalities.
The one's who scream RACIST and TROLL today, screamed NIGGER-LOVER and QUEER fifty years ago.
Name calling is what they do. They sniff asses and choose their words.

There are days here when the irony is so thick you can choke on it…

It is one of those days…



-KC