Historical Optometry (Hindsight 101)

[4est_4est_Gump]

One man, two narratives:

1. Born to a working-class wool weaver in the port city of Genoa, Italy, Cristoforo Colombo apprenticed as a sailor and went to sea as early as age ten. A self-taught and curious man, Colombo lived by his wits and rose in the heady world of 15th-century sea traders, until he hit upon an ingenious idea: He would outflank the Mohammedan Turks and reach the East Indies by sailing west across the Ocean Sea. After weathering nearly a decade of rejection and failure, in 1492 Colombo won the support of the Spanish Crown and set off on an uncertain journey that inadvertently opened a New World, laying the foundation for that most glittering daughter of the Western heritage: America.

2. Christopher Columbus, a dead white male of the worst variety, was a slaver, a capitalist, and a murderer of millions who embarked on a voyage motivated only by greed, which brought European imperialism to the shores of the “New World” and laid waste the ancient indigenous peoples there. Columbus deserves little credit (Leif Erikson had “discovered” the “new” continent 500 years earlier) and much blame for the horrors of the Columbian Exchange — the vast transfer of people, animals, and plants between the Western and Eastern Hemispheres. In his wake, the “New World” suffered smallpox, starvation, the cruel subjugation of the indigenous peoples, and the establishment of that most dastardly spawn of the West: America.

Better 1, or 2?

Mark Antonio Wright
http://www.nationalreview.com/node/425389/print

 

[hazbeen]

2

we are all MexiCants and MexiCunts and BLM'ers

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

MexiGoths and MexiKANTs...



Who masquerade as supplicants.

 

[Que]

One man, two narratives:

1. Born to a working-class wool weaver in the port city of Genoa, Italy, Cristoforo Colombo apprenticed as a sailor and went to sea as early as age ten. A self-taught and curious man, Colombo lived by his wits and rose in the heady world of 15th-century sea traders, until he hit upon an ingenious idea: He would outflank the Mohammedan Turks and reach the East Indies by sailing west across the Ocean Sea. After weathering nearly a decade of rejection and failure, in 1492 Colombo won the support of the Spanish Crown and set off on an uncertain journey that inadvertently opened a New World, laying the foundation for that most glittering daughter of the Western heritage: America.

2. Christopher Columbus, a dead white male of the worst variety, was a slaver, a capitalist, and a murderer of millions who embarked on a voyage motivated only by greed, which brought European imperialism to the shores of the “New World” and laid waste the ancient indigenous peoples there. Columbus deserves little credit (Leif Erikson had “discovered” the “new” continent 500 years earlier) and much blame for the horrors of the Columbian Exchange — the vast transfer of people, animals, and plants between the Western and Eastern Hemispheres. In his wake, the “New World” suffered smallpox, starvation, the cruel subjugation of the indigenous peoples, and the establishment of that most dastardly spawn of the West: America.

Better 1, or 2?

Mark Antonio Wright
http://www.nationalreview.com/node/425389/print

I was in the Southwest Museum yesterday. They have some movie memorabilia from films shot on location in Arizona. They couldn't help but include in the display verbiage that it was "a pity" that more films did not depict the Native American point of view. In a museum FULL of room after room after room of Native American culture and artifacts.

You can't let a John Wayne movie just be a John Wayne movie?

Guess what? Cold War era movies in America were also not shot from the "Soviet point of view."

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

I was in the Southwest Museum yesterday. They have some movie memorabilia from films shot on location in Arizona. They couldn't help but include in the display verbiage that it was "a pity" that more films did not depict the Native American point of view. In a museum FULL of room after room after room of Native American culture and artifacts.

You can't let a John Wayne movie just be a John Wayne movie?

Guess what? Cold War era movies in America were also not shot from the "Soviet point of view."

~touché~

 

[hazbeen]

Guess what? Cold War era movies in America were also not shot from the "Soviet point of view."

stfu, TURD

When RR was Pres and he gave the State of Union speech, ABC"news" allowed the Russians to give their POV

 

[NOIRTRASH]

I was in the Southwest Museum yesterday. They have some movie memorabilia from films shot on location in Arizona. They couldn't help but include in the display verbiage that it was "a pity" that more films did not depict the Native American point of view. In a museum FULL of room after room after room of Native American culture and artifacts.

You can't let a John Wayne movie just be a John Wayne movie?

Guess what? Cold War era movies in America were also not shot from the "Soviet point of view."

There was no Indian point of view. Indians had sundry attitudes about Euro influence. Plenty liked living in the woods, plenty liked farm life. Mine were on the farmer team and joined whites to make war on the Creeks and Seminoles.

 

[Que]

In Arizona, the Pima and the Papago were agrarian, the Hopi and the Navajo were herdsman, and the Apache subsisted by raiding all of the above. Arguably, the Cavalry subjegating the Apaches tended to benefit the other tribes.

I have family that ran cattle in SE AZ which was Apache territory. They would, in essence, pay tribute and cheerfully hand over a cow or two to local Apaches. Much better than squabbling and having many cows killed for a few steaks.

 

[Ishmael]

In Arizona, the Pima and the Papago were agrarian, the Hopi and the Navajo were herdsman, and the Apache subsisted by raiding all of the above. Arguably, the Cavalry subjegating the Apaches tended to benefit the other tribes.

I have family that ran cattle in SE AZ which was Apache territory. They would, in essence, pay tribute and cheerfully hand over a cow or two to local Apaches. Much better than squabbling and having many cows killed for a few steaks.

The history of the American Indian is being re-written as we speak. The process has been in motion since the 1970's, even among the various tribes themselves. All of the traits that brought them into conflict with the Europeans are being erased while the concept of the "noble savage" is being amplified wherever, and whenever, possible.

If nothing else the plight of the American Indian should serve as an example of what happens when you don't have an immigration policy and/or fail to enforce same.

Ishmael

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

By focusing on the Indians of the top half of North America, you can ignore the "Indians" from Mexico south who cut the hearts out of living "sacrifices..."



Very sanitary.

 

[miles]

The word "Indian" is racist and will soon be replaced by "indigenous people."

 

[Ishmael]

By focusing on the Indians of the top half of North America, you can ignore the "Indians" from Mexico south who cut the hearts out of living "sacrifices..."



Very sanitary.

The Lipan Apache engaged in cannibalism (as did many of the Caribbean tribes, in fact the very word 'cannibal' is derived from the Spanish word for the Caribe Indians). The Wichita tribes all engaged in slavery. Virtually all of the tribes engaged in thievery, it was a right of passage among the young men of the tribe. (Thievery helped develop highly useful skills needed for hunting and warfare.) AJ has mentioned the wholesale human sacrifices by certain Central and South American tribes. And most tribes practiced the deliberate maiming of fallen enemies as part of their peculiar religious beliefs as well as subjecting captive enemies to 'creative' tortures.

All of these traits, and some not mentioned, made their culture immiscible with European culture.

Ishmael

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Heresies!

​

 

[hazbeen]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CRHkaVjWcAAWO9t.jpg

 

[Saint Peter]

Hold on.

Were they all cannibals or just the bad ones?

 

[doowdniw]

Meh, if it hadn't been Columbus, it would have been someone else.

 

[doowdniw]

The word "Indian" is racist and will soon be replaced by "indigenous people."

What will we call the indigenous people of India?

 

[NOIRTRASH]

https://mojavedesertpatriot.files.wordpress.com/2015/08/head-up-your-ass.jpg?w=504


THE CANADIAN POINT OF VIEW

 

[doowdniw]

I thought this tread was going to be about the buttz, so we're getting closer.

 

[Sean Renaud]

The history of the American Indian is being re-written as we speak. The process has been in motion since the 1970's, even among the various tribes themselves. All of the traits that brought them into conflict with the Europeans are being erased while the concept of the "noble savage" is being amplified wherever, and whenever, possible.

If nothing else the plight of the American Indian should serve as an example of what happens when you don't have an immigration policy and/or fail to enforce same.

Ishmael

WOW. Everytime I think we've hit rock bottom I find that it goes a little deeper than I imagined.

 

[Oh_That_Guy]

Native Americans don't look anything like Indians. Columbus was clearly a moron.

 

[Colonel Hogan]

Meh, if it hadn't been Columbus, it would have been someone else.

Don't be silly. It's all Chris' fault. If he hadn't "discovered" the New World, we'd still be looking for it, and the natives would be living peacefully as we speak.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Okay. I laughed.



I am a bad man...

 

[Haguer]

I was in the Southwest Museum yesterday. They have some movie memorabilia from films shot on location in Arizona. They couldn't help but include in the display verbiage that it was "a pity" that more films did not depict the Native American point of view. In a museum FULL of room after room after room of Native American culture and artifacts.

You can't let a John Wayne movie just be a John Wayne movie?

Guess what? Cold War era movies in America were also not shot from the "Soviet point of view."

QUEERDERP