Hillary's "Dream."

[Ishmael]

For those of you that haven't been paying attention Assange has done another data dump on Hillary. Among the documents are excerpts from her speeches to the Bankers. (The ones that Bernie demanded be made public and that Hillary refused to comply with.) The documents contain a mother lode of statements that I'm certain that Hillary would just as soon not have to deal with. But I'm only going to focus on one sentence.

"My dream is a hemispheric common market, with open trade and open borders, some time in the future with energy that is as green and sustainable as we can get it, powering growth and opportunity for every person in the hemisphere," Clinton said.

Hillary is not alone in that dream, she is joined by more than a few 'country club Republicans.' And the truth be told I can get on board with the 'dream' as a LONG TERM GOAL. But as a practical matter the rush to implement that goal without having laid any substantial ground work is the principle reason for the rise of Trump.

In order to achieve this 'dream' there has to be in place an umbrella framework document not unlike our constitution. The formation of a hemispheric super nation as it were. (The Peoples Democratic Republic of the America's?) And exactly how is that to be structured? How will the 'Super Politicians' be elected? Will the Latin nations vote en bloc to force their legal structures on the US and Canada? I wonder how the Canadians would feel about that? Or for that matter how would the Canadians feel about surrendering their national sovereignty? (We can ask the same question and just replace Canada with Brazil, or Chile, or any one of the other nations.)

Will this governmental structure take the form of the EU where unelected and unaccountable bureaucrats impose edicts on all?

Who gets to vote on who gets the tax revenues and how it's spent? Will there even be a vote on that subject?

And speaking of law, what structure with that take and in what language? I just don't see the US or Canada signing on to the Latin legal system models.

Without that overriding structure the implementation of 'open borders' and 'open trade' is a prescription for disaster. It begins to sound much like the "Articles of Confederation" that were an acknowledged disaster. Conversely I can't see the Latin nations rolling over and embracing the English Common Law model that governs the US and Canada's legal systems.

This race towards 'globalization' via 'open borders' and 'open trade' is putting the cart before the horse. Obviously Hillary hasn't thought this through (and neither have the other advocates of this 'back door' policy.

It is not surprising that Hillary would voice these 'dreams' to a group of bankers. They would see the immediate benefits to themselves by being able to romp through the Americas with no national laws to impede their designs. And I can assure you that their motives are NOT driven by concern for the common man.

Ishmael

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

I would rather see a balkanization around the various "tribes" of the world.

Emerging mega-states imply emerging mega-governments and we have no better example of what happens to the rule of law once the elite classes (and Hillary is certainly a member) decide that the law is only for the little people and their political opposition. The safety of their citizens becomes a secondary, if not tertiary (or worse), consideration when it comes to the implementations of their theories on how they can fundamentally alter human nature with the application of proper government beginning with the schools and the shaming of those who do not conform to the social norms of the Emperor's Court in a re-creation of Forbidden City...

 

[Ishmael]

I would rather see a balkanization around the various "tribes" of the world.

Emerging mega-states imply emerging mega-governments and we have no better example of what happens to the rule of law once the elite classes (and Hillary is certainly a member) decide that the law is only for the little people and their political opposition. The safety of their citizens becomes a secondary, if not tertiary (or worse), consideration when it comes to the implementations of their theories on how they can fundamentally alter human nature with the application of proper government beginning with the schools and the shaming of those who do not conform to the social norms of the Emperor's Court in a re-creation of Forbidden City...

In other words, kinda what we're seeing now.

Ishmael

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Yes.

Exactly.

Insular Oligarchy...

Can you imagine it on steroids?

 

[Ishmael]

Yes.

Exactly.

Insular Oligarchy...

Can you imagine it on steroids?

Of course. And it appears that more than a few people world wide are waking up to that realization.

Ishmael

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Some of Britain sure did.



I think most of the American population believes in her dream though...

 

[Ishmael]

Some of Britain sure did.



I think most of the American population believes in her dream though...

I don't agree with that. I believe that most don't. There just happens to be a large group out there that doesn't know what that dream is, or what it entails. Then there are the groups that are going to vote their vagina/penis/undecided no matter what. Throw in the group living in poverty on the scraps that the government throws them and you have a voting bloc. A block that is going to vote what seems to be their own best interests and the nation be damned.

There are times that I wonder if the whole "America is Evil" mantra being taught in the schools isn't to serve that very purpose.

Ishmael

 

[Bert Notorius]

hemisphere?

if you're going to dream,
dream big.

 

[Wrong Element]

Hillary is not alone in that dream, she is joined by more than a few 'country club Republicans.' And the truth be told I can get on board with the 'dream' as a LONG TERM GOAL.

The one sentence you quoted contains the actual phrase "some time in the future."

Something akin to a hemispheric common market is doable, though considering that both parties now seem to have anti-free trade majorities, probably not doable in the near future. But I doubt open borders ever will be.

 

[Darbhinder]

Still a better candidate than the pussy grabbing child rapist aka Drumpf. Don't cry too much a month from now.

 

[Ishmael]

The one sentence you quoted contains the actual phrase "some time in the future."

Something akin to a hemispheric common market is doable, though considering that both parties now seem to have anti-free trade majorities, probably not doable in the near future. But I doubt open borders ever will be.

I can read you fucking moron. I can also see what they are doing TODAY. Further she did not say "lay the ground work for" or "create a framework." She, and her partners in crime, are implementing portions of that "dream" without having a discussion with the American people. Which makes her a duplicitous bitch, another trait she openly admitted to in her "talks."

Ishmael

 

[Ishmael]

Still a better candidate than the pussy grabbing child rapist aka Drumpf. Don't cry too much a month from now.

In the past two weeks Russia has threatened the US with nuclear war, installed a highly advanced anti-air missile system in Syrian and threatened to shoot down anyone that flew without their permission. And morons like you (the ones I referred to in the OP) want to talk about what Trump said in a locker room over a decade ago.

As far as "rape" goes Billy Clinton has real accusers with real names and real details that can be scrutinized by the press or any one else for that matter. You haven't got shit except your big mouth.

As a matter of fact that's all you've ever posted on this board..........shit. So off to the shit can you go with the rest of the shit eaters.

Ishmael

 

[snugglestruggle]

Of course. And it appears that more than a few people world wide are waking up to that realization.

Ishmael

How dare the unwashed masses want to have a say in their future. The ingrates!!

 

[Saint Peter]

In the past two weeks Russia has threatened the US with nuclear war, installed a highly advanced anti-air missile system in Syrian and threatened to shoot down anyone that flew without their permission. And morons like you (the ones I referred to in the OP) want to talk about what Trump said in a locker room over a decade ago.

As far as "rape" goes Billy Clinton has real accusers with real names and real details that can be scrutinized by the press or any one else for that matter. You haven't got shit except your big mouth.

As a matter of fact that's all you've ever posted on this board..........shit. So off to the shit can you go with the rest of the shit eaters.

Ishmael

I would rather see hilary deal with putin than his good old buddy donald.

 

[Ishmael]

I would rather see hilary deal with putin than his good old buddy donald.

You mean cave in like Obama does. I can see why you'd prefer that. In a very real way she and Obama enabled Putin just as surely as she enabled her husband.

Ishmael

 

[hashtag45]

I would rather see hilary deal with putin than his good old buddy donald.

Well, as a foreigner I'd rather see Trump elected.
He's obviously a racist and an asshole, but he Can't be worse than such warmongerers like Hillary
and her hubby.

Look at all the lives lost in the Middle East! And that includes those of american soldiers too.

 

[Saint Peter]

You mean cave in like Obama does. I can see why you'd prefer that. In a very real way she and Obama enabled Putin just as surely as she enabled her husband.

Ishmael

Why would I prefer that?

Follow the money, right? Why does donald's daughter and putin's squeeze vacation together? Luck of the draw? Bullshit. Donald made threats about putin releasing hacked emails. There is a relationship between the two and donald is putty in putin's hand. I can see why you'd prefer that.

 

[Saint Peter]

Well, as a foreigner I'd rather see Trump elected.
He's obviously a racist and an asshole, but he Can't be worse than such warmongerers like Hillary
and her hubby.

Look at all the lives lost in the Middle East! And that includes those of american soldiers too.

Warmonger? You buddy ish just said that the democratic leaders were pushovers.

Get on the party line or you will be replaced.

 

[hashtag45]

Warmonger? You buddy ish just said that the democratic leaders were pushovers.

Get on the party line or you will be replaced.

Nice deflection.

Undurguy made some really interesting observations since he joined -minus his "if you criticize even a bit Islam's attitude towards women, it means that you're a racist" stance, of course- .

One of them being that, with regards to their foreign policies, both democrats and republicans leaders are warmongers in the service of corprations and the neoliberal doctrine.
The difference being just their rhetoric - in order to get votes and support from the little guy.


EDIT.
I only gravitate towards the GB conservatives' side because they often bring interesting things to the table and are well read. Unfortunately, too many GB libs. are more inclined towards name-calling and trolling instead of engaging in constructive discussions.
I don't necessarily agree with thei GB conservatives politics, and certainly not with the occ. racist comments and attitudes.

 

[Ishmael]

Why would I prefer that?

Follow the money, right? Why does donald's daughter and putin's squeeze vacation together? Luck of the draw? Bullshit. Donald made threats about putin releasing hacked emails. There is a relationship between the two and donald is putty in putin's hand. I can see why you'd prefer that.

I have no idea other than the fact that you've stated that you prefer more of the same.

Ishmael

 

[phrodeau]

The one sentence you quoted contains the actual phrase "some time in the future."

Something akin to a hemispheric common market is doable, though considering that both parties now seem to have anti-free trade majorities, probably not doable in the near future. But I doubt open borders ever will be.

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[Darbhinder]

In the past two weeks Russia has threatened the US with nuclear war, installed a highly advanced anti-air missile system in Syrian and threatened to shoot down anyone that flew without their permission. And morons like you (the ones I referred to in the OP) want to talk about what Trump said in a locker room over a decade ago.

As far as "rape" goes Billy Clinton has real accusers with real names and real details that can be scrutinized by the press or any one else for that matter. You haven't got shit except your big mouth.

As a matter of fact that's all you've ever posted on this board..........shit. So off to the shit can you go with the rest of the shit eaters.

Ishmael

Yeah, except for the lawsuit filed against him. Looking forward to your old man tears!

 

[Saint Peter]

I have no idea other than the fact that you've stated that you prefer more of the same.

Ishmael

I would rather see hilary deal with putin than his good old buddy donald.

Get your eyes checked.

 

[Ishmael]

Get your eyes checked.

Don't need to Petey, I've been watching her, and her bosses, policies since she whipped out the "reset" button. She and her boss started the fires in Libya, Egypt, and Syria. Then they stepped back and proclaimed, "Not us." I swear it's like watching an old Bugs Bunny cartoon.

Ishmael

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

I don't agree with that. I believe that most don't. There just happens to be a large group out there that doesn't know what that dream is, or what it entails. Then there are the groups that are going to vote their vagina/penis/undecided no matter what. Throw in the group living in poverty on the scraps that the government throws them and you have a voting bloc. A block that is going to vote what seems to be their own best interests and the nation be damned.

There are times that I wonder if the whole "America is Evil" mantra being taught in the schools isn't to serve that very purpose.

Ishmael

That is a valid point. She has "private" beliefs that she only shares with a limited number of people...



But don't blame her, blame the Lincoln movie.

Sometimes life is to good to be true.