Hidden Meanings in Secretary

[naxalite0906]

Just saw this film last night and thought it was very good..
Some things did confuse me though.. Mainly her bosses behaviour at times which was a bit strange.. But the one thing I'm not sure about is what was the big deal with the worm she sent to him..
Any ideas?

 

[Quint]

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[naxalite0906]

Knowing his fastidious distaste for anything messy or dirty, she did it deliberately to provoke him. Quite a demonstration of topping.

Mr Gray had a bit of OCD going on with the dirt, compulsively working out, red pens, etc. Totally unrelated to dominance (although that MAY be open to debate) but added character development.

I thought it was something to do that.. but the dirt thing wasnt elaborated as much as i thought it needed to be.
The film certainly provoked a few fantasies and desires though

 

[@}-}rebecca----]

Limiting the number of peas she could eat = Peas are yucky.

 

[Chicklet]

did you listen to the director's commentary? it shines some light on some of his crazy behavior.

 

[naxalite0906]

Limiting the number of peas she could eat = Peas are yucky.

Hehe... maybe to you.. lol

 

[@}-}rebecca----]

Hehe... maybe to you.. lol

Okay same equation though this time on the premise that peas are hawt.

Limiting her peas = Sadist

 

[naxalite0906]

Okay same equation though this time on the premise that peas are hawt.

Limiting her peas = Sadist

Damn.. your a tricky one.. you got me thats for sure

 

[@}-}rebecca----]

Damn.. your a tricky one.. you got me thats for sure

It's all about the control and connection babeeeeeeeeeeeee .

Simple pleasures .........smiles

**This post will self destruct in 30 mins as I have been known to rant against micro management .......hehe**

 

[naxalite0906]

It's all about the control and connection babeeeeeeeeeeeee .

Simple pleasures .........smiles

**This post will self destruct in 30 mins as I have been known to rant against micro management .......hehe**

Yeah, i know i got the control and connection bit. was just disagreeing with your peas comment..

Yucky or not, she loved the fact he told her.. I still think some of his actions were strange..

 

[@}-}rebecca----]

Yeah, i know i got the control and connection bit. was just disagreeing with your peas comment..

Yucky or not, she loved the fact he told her.. I still think some of his actions were strange..

Yes I know you knew, I apologise I was just being rebeccabrandhumorous/obnoxious . My sincere comment , it is just a Movie. Though I know there have been some fairly eccentric and often what appeared at the time meaningless expectations on myself over time and I have embraced them. What may seem bizarre to one may be law to another.

I think in the 'pea scene' it is possible that in the midst of her family which was a real toll her on her , there needed to be an even stronger connection to him in a form of intellectual / emotional 'protection'. Self preservation via default who really knows. It still comes down to being a work of fiction in the long run. I am not a huge fan of the Movie to be honest. Many that visit the Boards are and I genuinely hope they will answer your thread with more suitable commentary.

 

[naxalite0906]

did you listen to the director's commentary? it shines some light on some of his crazy behavior.

Was on tv.. so no commentary unfortunately..

 

[naxalite0906]

Yes I know you knew, I apologise I was just being rebeccabrandhumorous/obnoxious . My sincere comment , it is just a Movie. Though I know there have been some fairly eccentric and often what appeared at the time meaningless expectations on myself over time and I have embraced them. What may seem bizarre to one may be law to another.

I think in the 'pea scene' it is possible that in the midst of her family which was a real toll her on her , there needed to be an even stronger connection to him in a form of intellectual / emotional 'protection'. Self preservation via default who really knows. It still comes down to being a work of fiction in the long run. I am not a huge fan of the Movie to be honest. Many that visit the Boards are and I genuinely hope they will answer your thread with more suitable commentary.

No apology needed, thanks for the input

 

[Vessira]

Not sure which behaviors of his you didn't get. Clearly he was a control freak, and liked having things a certain way. As for the worm, she provoked him to get a response. Remember, she LIKED being spanked. When he stopped it was torture for her. The worm was the ultimate challenge. She knew he wouldn't be unable to respond to it.

 

[naxalite0906]

Not sure which behaviors of his you didn't get. Clearly he was a control freak, and liked having things a certain way. As for the worm, she provoked him to get a response. Remember, she LIKED being spanked. When he stopped it was torture for her. The worm was the ultimate challenge. She knew he wouldn't be unable to respond to it.

I know about the lack of spankings etc.. it was just the choice of the worm.. wasnt sure if there was more to it than just the dirt etc..

 

[Vessira]

I know about the lack of spankings etc.. it was just the choice of the worm.. wasnt sure if there was more to it than just the dirt etc..

I think the worm was a easy choice as she knew it would bother him. It's a creature that lives in the dirt, can be slimy, etc. He would consider it a filthy thing.

 

[RJMasters]

You are all missing a vital key concept that started at the beginning and went through the movie. This young lady was a cutter.

Cutters cut for many of reasons but it was potrayed that she did so to feel real pain in order to overcome the emotional and mental pain that her family put upon her. It was her only way to deal with this screwed up reality and she became addicted as an emotional crutch upon cutting which is why they sent her to the mental hospital.

Fast forward now into the movie where we have the first time he exerts what I believe was a "Dom" characteristic, the scene of course is the hot chocolate scene. He sits her down and she is a bit nervous. Then he captures her attention and asks her why does she cut herself?

After which he then tells her she will not ever do this again....not ever.

He not only tells her to stop cutting, he replaces that by helping her to become stronger and independant from her family. He makes her walk to and from work...and then of course there is the spankings.

And through this he replaced the self inflicted type of pain, with a different type of pain.

When he pulled back, he left her without a way to deal emotionally and mentally. He took away her cutting and now he was taking away the spankings too. She began to fall apart.

In part and what I believe is a even deeper meaning here is that in many relationship this becomes an issue where one person doubts if they really love them or if they are in love with the pain or the material things or fill in the blank. Certainly he had commitment issues and trust issues of his own. His own guilt was a sign of that, but what eventually won him over is that she proved it was him....nothing else...just him that she loved and was willing to do whatever for him.

With that level of security and display of loyalty, love and devotion, it help to empower him to overcome his own fears. Such is the magic and mystery when power exchange occurs on the deepest level.

Just my thoughts.

 

[@}-}rebecca----]

The Worm = Phallic symbolism

 

[Lester_Hammond]

Just saw this film last night and thought it was very good..
Some things did confuse me though.. Mainly her bosses behaviour at times which was a bit strange.. But the one thing I'm not sure about is what was the big deal with the worm she sent to him..
Any ideas?

Hi,

I saw the film for the first time last night as well. I thought the worm was wierd at first but then later in the film I realised that what she was actually doing was setting the balls rolling again. She was kind of giving him the consent to spank her again. The first time it happened, she made mistakes and her boss highlighted them with his red marker. So this was the trigger. This is a good starting place in which to start a roleplay game like this.

Changing the subject a bit though...I thought some of the scenes were a little too hardcore. I had my flatmate in the next room and he's not into all this fetish stuff. At several times I had to turn the volume right down in fear that he'd hear. I also can't believe they put this film on our TV airwaves since that type of thing is illegal isn't it?

Domination, bondage, submission, slave play (because it's confused with real slavery), and bdsm - they're all likely to put you in trouble if you persue them in most countries. And yet this content is shown in lots of films and in many video games - take the GTA series as an example. San Andreas has some S/M in it and so does Liberty City.

Don't get me wrong, but I happen to find it quite a turn-on myself. But when I'm trying to walk away from these fetishes, the last thing I want is to see them on display in some film or in some computer game. Especially when they're supposed to be dirty, perverse and bordering on what's legal and what's not.

Does anyone else see this? Do you see what I'm getting at?

I'm sorry to change the subject but I'm confused!

 

[FurryFury]

I got the film this year or maybe last. I told the kids mom and dad were going to watch an adult film that night. My girl (who is almost 16 now) looked at the title and said, "Oh I've seen that, they show it on Oxygen all the time."



She thought it was boring though.

*L*

Fury

 

[incubus'_sub]

Hardcore ?? you're kidding, right?

I'm not really a fan of the movie because I thought it was just a bit suggestive & didn't get into it enough, but I'll watch James Spader in anything LOL.

There's a simple way to stop anything you find disturbing from bothering you or your flatmate. Turn it off.

 

[the captians wench]

The first time I watched the movie was with my mom. She had seen it on tv and then rented it later, and I had never seen it but heard about it on these boards.

After we watched it, she said that they had cut out a lot of it on tv. One thing I was very upset to hear about is they cut out her monolog. Mom said that things made a lot more since with it. She didn't understand a lot of why some one would do the things that the girl does, but the monolog helped finish the thought so to speak.

I enjoyed it, but I also thought it lacked a bit.

 

[MasterPhoenix]

IMO, the movie does not get it completely right. But Hollywood never gets anything exactly right.

I do think that the movie does present the BDSM community as positive overall, tho I wish that James Spader's character was not so indecisive. Being indecisive is not a good trait in a Dom, IMO.

Overall, a decent flick but not something to be taken as a perfect example of how to live the lifestyle, IMO.

 

[the captians wench]

IMO, the movie does not get it completely right. But Hollywood never gets anything exactly right.

I do think that the movie does present the BDSM community as positive overall, tho I wish that James Spader's character was not so indecisive. Being indecisive is not a good trait in a Dom, IMO.

Overall, a decent flick but not something to be taken as a perfect example of how to live the lifestyle, IMO.

Is there really a "perfect example" anywhere tho?

 

[MasterPhoenix]

Is there really a "perfect example" anywhere tho?

ummm No...

to rose & I we are the perfect example, but that don't mean it would work for others.

The lifestyle is how we live it... *shrugz*