Hi I'm new here....

[janettt5]

I bought a toy whip in a shop and the saleswoman said that whipping should be returned for certain crimes.

I agree.....Do you?

 

[Pure]

'should be returned'.... ??

no kapeesh

 

[Brekke]

'should be returned'.... ??

no kapeesh

I think what she is saying is that a long time ago, for certain crimes the punishment was whipping. In singapore they still cane people for certain crimes and their crime rate is very low.

 

[janettt5]

Brekke....

Do you believe it may be a good thing?

 

[Shadowsdream]

Re: Brekke....

Do you believe it may be a good thing?

What do you think?

 

[Pure]

Thanks SD, I see now. whipping 'returned'= 're-instated' in the justice system.

To Janett, then, I'd say, given the folks in 'bdsm settings' such as ShadowsDream describes, and the fact that many get off on being whipped, I'd say I favor NOT reinstated.

For judges to assign that penalty would be counterproductive! too many orgasms!!Indeed, it might even lead to more guys getting 'turned'/ 'bent' in that way, as happens in the English 'public' (private) schools.

 

[Brekke]

Thanks SD, I see now. whipping 'returned'= 're-instated' in the justice system.

To Janett, then, I'd say, given the folks in 'bdsm settings' such as ShadowsDream describes, and the fact that many get off on being whipped, I'd say I favor NOT reinstated.

For judges to assign that penalty would be counterproductive! too many orgasms!!Indeed, it might even lead to more guys getting 'turned'/ 'bent' in that way, as happens in the English 'public' (private) schools.

think about this though, if you do something wrong and your master/mistress punishes you, are you liable to do that mistake again? probably not, so it is an effective form of discipline.

 

[Shadowsdream]

Thanks SD, I see now. whipping 'returned'= 're-instated' in the justice system.

To Janett, then, I'd say, given the folks in 'bdsm settings' such as ShadowsDream describes, and the fact that many get off on being whipped, I'd say I favor NOT reinstated.

For judges to assign that penalty would be counterproductive! too many orgasms!!Indeed, it might even lead to more guys getting 'turned'/ 'bent' in that way, as happens in the English 'public' (private) schools.

?

 

[Netzach]

think about this though, if you do something wrong and your master/mistress punishes you, are you liable to do that mistake again? probably not, so it is an effective form of discipline.

I'd say that's totally dependent on the circumstances involved and the people involved.

I'm a Dominant personality with a very strong sense of justice. Trust me, parental punishments had NO effect whatsoever on whether a behavior was repeated or not. Add to the mix the fact that the parents in question were not consistent, respectable or logical disciplinarians and you had no deterrent.

I don't agree that punitive measures are effective deterrents on a state level, judging from the massive numbers of recidivists and people imprisoned. Not all of them fairly, either.

 

[Brekke]

I'd say that's totally dependent on the circumstances involved and the people involved.

I'm a Dominant personality with a very strong sense of justice. Trust me, parental punishments had NO effect whatsoever on whether a behavior was repeated or not. Add to the mix the fact that the parents in question were not consistent, respectable or logical disciplinarians and you had no deterrent.

I don't agree that punitive measures are effective deterrents on a state level, judging from the massive numbers of recidivists and people imprisoned. Not all of them fairly, either.

but is prison really that much of a punishment, cable tv, a college education, no bills to pay, three meals a day and all your health care taken care of. on top of that even with the death penalty you have 20 or 30 years before sentence is carried out and most of those dont happen for one reason or another they get commuted to life in prison.

 

[Bachlum Chaam]

Thanks SD, I see now. whipping 'returned'= 're-instated' in the justice system.

To Janett, then, I'd say, given the folks in 'bdsm settings' such as ShadowsDream describes, and the fact that many get off on being whipped, I'd say I favor NOT reinstated.

For judges to assign that penalty would be counterproductive! too many orgasms!!Indeed, it might even lead to more guys getting 'turned'/ 'bent' in that way, as happens in the English 'public' (private) schools.

I would say bring it back,also there isn,t as much corporal punishment in public schools in the UK so that arguement is not really worth a consideration,as for the UK the crime is getting so bad something needs sorting,and a damn good thrashing with the birch would stop many of the scrotes re-offending
Bachlum Chaam

 

[lark sparrow]

but is prison really that much of a punishment, cable tv, a college education, no bills to pay, three meals a day and all your health care taken care of. on top of that even with the death penalty you have 20 or 30 years before sentence is carried out and most of those dont happen for one reason or another they get commuted to life in prison.

Utter lack of freedom would be a huge punishment for some, and a holiday for others. But what prison does aside from any lessons learned or lack thereof, is keep the general public safe from the offender by isolating and controlling their very existence.

I have no clue whether or not whipping would be an effective punishment and deterent for crime. However, if I had my choice between long-term imprisonment or an hour of whipping that I would live through, I'd definitely choose the latter. I'd rather get it over quick and then be able to go on with my life. Whether I would offend again or not is up in the air, but I would have the option!

 

[psiberzerker]

Corperal punnishment, IE whipping, and caning have little lasting effects that I know of. Alright, I guess I could see childhood paddling to evolve into later masochism. My point is, pain compliance is an immediate thing. It's great for croud controll, and deterrent, but will not discourage further crimes much.
In my experience, letting criminals off with a spanking will only amuse, and enrage them. I was spanked as a kid, it hurt, and then I went back to my mischeif. Restriction was a bit more effective because it lasted longer, and temporairilly kept me out of trouble. THis is why we jail, and probate criminals now rather than beating them. It just didn't work.
OtOH, I'd like to see sjamboks, and other flogging devices in the hands of the cops. Mace is all well and good, but I believe that having something solid to swing at the flailing crack head is a much better, and cheaper alternative to chemical weapons. This is the immediate response where pain compliance excells, yet somewhat kinder, and gentler than hard batons.
I hope you where joking about having orgasms for being publicly flogged. Yeah, sure it's a lot of fun with a lover, but nothing about being beaten for a crime is remotely erotic to me, and I concider myself a rather heavy masochist.

 

[Pure]

Hi PB,

I agree with most of what you said: yes it's doubtful if public corporal punishment works, and there's an old story that, when theft was a capital offense in England, the pickpockets would be quite active at hangings.

you said,

I hope you where joking about having orgasms for being publicly flogged. Yeah, sure it's a lot of fun with a lover, but nothing about being beaten for a crime is remotely erotic to me, and I concider myself a rather heavy masochist.

Well, I said whipping. I envisioned a variety of levels of corporal stuff, maybe a simple whipping for petty theft, and nasty flogging for a rape, etc. Certainly the lower levels would have their erotism. As to the nastier ones, you have to consider the fantasies as well, those of the floggee and the witnesses; these might have a highly erotic character, though for the flogee, not at the exact occasion --i.e, before and after. Further, it's been said there's a 'pornography' of execution, a sick attraction of self destructive masochists to some forms of capital punishment.

As a note, I might add: I wonder if readers are aware that the Marquis de Sade was a staunch opponent of capital punishment, and, by plausible extension, to all the nastier forms of institutional inflictions of really serious (bloody) bodily harm.

 

[psiberzerker]

I always figured he was against it so because he was so experienced in it. He never struck me(PtP) as much of a Masochist(Nor D.D for that matter) so he probably didn't relish, or enjoy his own punishments.
While we're on the subject, I thought it ironic that he was "Liberated" in the revolution along with other denizens of the Bastille. In fact, the anniversary's comming up, I always try to line up a subject to celibrate it with.