Hey, Writers! - The Past Sure Is Tense

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Ok. Here are a few thoughts on mixing up the past and present tense. Bare in mind that I'm no expert. I'm just mentioning it 'cause it's one of the things that can spoil a story for me.

I've noticed in a few of the stories I've been reading lately that people haven't been keeping their tenses in order. It's an easy mistake to make when you're right there in the middle of writing some hot passionate scene. All the same, you should be going through your work once you've... uhm... cooled down a bit and checking for mistakes like these.

It really interupts the flow of an otherwise pretty good story when you get something like this:

"Helena gazes at me with those sparkling blue eyes and flicks her long suicide-blonde hair over her shoulder. She looks so hot in that skinny little red dress. I knew there and then that I wanted to fuck her down there by the river."

I think it's totally fine to change from past to present tense, or whatever, in different sections of a story - but only as long as these are separated off from each other. Obviously if your story is in the present tense and you want to show some flash-backs to earlier incidents, you'll want to change to the past tense for that.

It can also work really well to start a story in the past tense, when you're still setting up the situation and characters, and then switch to the present tense for the erotic encounters. It's quite an experimental technique but it can add excitement and make the action seem more immediate. It's a bit like in a film where the camera shows a long-shot of someone (this is the past tense bit in your story) but slowly moves in to a close-up as things become more emotional (present tense). (Think of the scene in 'Silence of the Lambs' where Clarice Starling is talking to Hannibal Lecter through the bars of his cell. As the tension builds the camera moves in on both faces until it looks like there are no bars separating them.)

But, whenever you do decide you want to change tenses you should always start a new paragraph. Otherwise your story becomes confusing and your writing starts to look a bit sloppy.

So, anyway - what are everyone else's pet hates? (You're not allowed to say me, for starting this strand.)



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It's been mentioned before in another thread, but stories written in the second person. I just can't get into them at all, especially if they're written from the "wrong" perspective for me (You pulled your hard cock from you pants and... - sorry, I just don't have one of them anywhere! :) )

And, have to agree with DCL, bad spelling!

(And yes, I know I'm not an author - I've been trying, I just can't get the confidence to even send anything to any of the editors, never mind submit it!)
 
You're not allowed to say "you" for starting this strand, either.
 
I LIKE the thread, because the aim is to teach people something about writing that they may not have thought about.

I agree with Roger. If you are a beginner, I suggest you write in ONE TENSE. Past tense, in my opinion, is the easiest. That was an excellent suggestion to go back and check it, but you may not catch everything. When I revise my own writing, most of the time my brain goes out of "Proofreading Mode" and goes into "Is That Plot Element Working Here?...Maybe I Should Have Made Him an Airline Pilot... Etc. Mode."

Bottom line, have a friend or one of the volunteer editors look it over for you. Gus just read something for me and pointed out that my heroine was wearing a sweater that magically turned into a blouse later. I've read that passage probably ten times and never caught that. <blushes>

For the record, I don't like second person male POV for the same reason, BB. I don't even like female second person. I find it a little annoying to be told how I feel and what I am doing. Thank goodness Laurel "labels" them in the one-liners.

Another thing that beginning writers may not realize is that good writing requires revision. When they teach you writing in high school, they don't spend too much time telling you how to polish a piece of writing, or even that you should, because they're concentrating on mechanics, sentence structure, punctuation, etc.

For this reason, I suspect that most people, when faced with writing, treat it like homework from English class. They grind it out and when they're finished, set down the pencil (or whatever) and say to themselves, "Whew! Done." And they mean it literally.

I think one would have to be a genius to be able to write a perfect first draft. Because I assume that if you're writing a story, you want it to be something of which you can be proud, I advise you to go over your work again and again. Get rid of the cliches. Fix the spelling, etc. Cut redundant parts. Add more description if needed. Find those common adjectives and replace them. Etc.

It's like crafting, say, a carousel horse out of wood. You do a lot of carving, and when it finally looks like a horse, you feel done, but you're obviously not. It needs a lot of sanding, refining, detail work, painting. This isn't even a good example, because in writing, if something is crappy, you can cut it out. With the carousel horse, you can't exactly cut off the leg if it doesn't turn out right.

Writing is such a beautiful art BECAUSE of this very thing. There are not many creative endeavors that enable you to refine the finished work over and over. Music composition is the only one I can think of right now that has this inherent quality.

Take advantage of it. Don't settle for being done. Work on your writing and strive for your best.
 
Originally posted by BeautyBabe:
It's been mentioned before in another thread, but stories written in the second person. I just can't get into them at all...

Uh, sorry 'bout that, BB. How's this?

HE's not allowed to say "you" for starting this strand. :)

Actually, I don't mind the second person if it's done well but it can be really annoying. I think the problem is when it draws too much attention to itself. It takes you out of the story and messes with the old "suspension of disbelief".

I've used second person on one of my Literotica stories but the "you" in the story is a specific person. She's often referred to by name - "Rebecca". It's her that the narrator is really talking to, not the reader. (The narrator is actually in her mind.) So, hopefully, when people are reading the story they're thinking of it as though it's written in the third.

Whisper - excellent advice and thoughts.

DCL - I agree. Spelling mistakes are incredibly annoying.

Especially when I find them in a story of my own that's already been posted.

rog

Glad I've finally worked out how to put HTML code in with my posts. This is really going to piss people off, now.
 
I agree. It really pisses me off too when people mess around with their tenses. What pisses me off even more is that I have been guilty of this same thing in my last submission. It is, I feel I must point out, the first time its happened but Querella's Smile is absolutely terrible in that respect!
Aarghh - cringe %^*&%@£*!!
 
Flagg - see, you've just made me go and read 'Querella' again, 'cause I hadn't noticed any problems with the tenses there. I think because it's all written in the past tense or past historic (if that's the right term) it doesn't really jump out at you. I still think it works really well as it is.

DCL's about to pull you up about your spelling of "lose" though. Heh-heh.

rog
 
Thanks for making me feel better! Hey roger you may not realise it but you and I share something in common in that we both led the good people here at literotica to believe that we were women when we both started. I used to be the authoress crystal. Do you think its a coincidence that we are both from the UK or is it a british trait?

Just a thought.
 
hey flagg - yea i think that`s true really ... don`t all men from the U.K. like to pose as women..
hey I`ve seen Benny Hill and Monty Python. lol
isabella
xx
 
Ah, yes, those great eccentric British gentlemen - forever parading about in their tatty charity shop dresses and complaining about the food. :)

So, how is Crystal, anyway? Rachel P sends her regards:

"Nuff respect for that 'Literotica Reunion' idea of yours, girly-girl. And you have GOT to tell me where you buy those incredible shoes!"

I'm actually expecting a visit from Miss Picabia's fun-loving nemesis, Rachel the Goddess (unregistered), any minute now - she can be so cruel but I love her dearly. She says one day she may let me carry her whip!

Best watch out, Flagg, old fellow - our friend Debor... sorry... RACHEL the G may start tarring you with the same brush.

rog
 
and what's up with Dame Edna anyway??? LMAO

it's funny in my last post i used french keyboard by mistake .. and punctuation came out wrong .. i never noticed that before .. i am way too blonde to live. :)
 
Dame Edna - yeah, see, the Aussie's are doing it too!

Hell, even Dustin Hoffmann had a bash at it.

BTW, Flagg - do you know if 'Literotica Reunion' has completely ended or are they still looking for people to write new segments?
 
Originally posted by flagg:
Do you think its a coincidence that we are both from the UK or is it a british trait?

Just a thought.

Can I please reassure everyone that although I am British, I won't be following in Flagg and Roger's footsteps! I really am female!

Now, I wonder, are any of the men from the UK really female?... ;)
 
Ha ha! We should ask Carl East why she dropped the "o" from her first name.

:)
 
It's funny, because when I started watching Monty Python as a kid, I assumed that they wore dresses in skits as a comic device. Little did I know that that's how men actually were in the UK. See how informative this BB is? Learn something new every single day...
 
LOL muchley at all above! But seriously, what I was getting at was that the only people to admit to lying about their identity were brits and its the honesty behind that that could be the british trait - "Gentleman of honour" and all that.
Is it because I is a brit?

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[This message has been edited by flagg (edited 06-16-2000).]
 
Hey! Are you implying there may be some Yanky gents out there masquerading as WOMEN? That's a MOST un-American comment, Sir!

Uncle Sam (but you can call me "Samantha", if you like)
 
LOL muchley at all above! But seriously, what I was getting at was that the only people to admit to lying about their identity were brits and its the honesty behind that that could be the british trait - "Gentleman of honour" and all that.
Is it because I is a brit?


LMAO! No, Flagg - I think your gentlemanliness sets such a high standard that it transcends any national affiliation. You are, truly, a man among men. As was Crystal. :)
 
Well really I can't understand why a male author wants to pose as a female in the first place .. what's the appeal?

I mean I never want to pose as a male author .. hey do any female writers pose as males I wonder ..

.. and yikes ok now I think I have become Don Henley's bubble headed bleached blonde cause I thought Dame Edna was a Brit. woops! :)
 
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