Hey America, take a lesson from France about how to put some hair on your balls.

[LJ_Reloaded]

http://www.businessinsider.com/air-france-execs-escape-angry-employees-2015-10

Last week, Air France executives announced plans to shed 2,900 jobs in a restructuring.

On Monday, angry staff, waving banners and flags, stormed a meeting about the job cuts. Air France executives fled from employees unhappy with the decision.

Television channels showed Xavier Broseta, the airline human-resources and labor-relations chief, being "jostled, his shirt ripped off, and his tie hanging from his neck," as he fought through crowds of irate employees, Reuters reported.

In Europe, the people keep the police and Plutocrats in check.
http://static3.businessinsider.com/image/5612bf81bd86ef12008bf465-1200/pandemonium-broke-out-after-a-meeting-discussing-the-cuts-the-human-resources-and-labor-relations-chief-xavier-broseta-had-his-shirt-ripped-off.jpg
http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01538/police-fire_1538655i.jpg

Here, the police keep the spineless, cowering Americans in check. Nobody in America would ever rip a Plutocrat's clothes off in an attempt to beat his ass over job cuts.

The French and Greeks have more balls than Americans do.

Only the French would put their elites to the guillotine.

 

[Aella_]

It reminds me:

With the 2008 crash, certain american factory owners (based in France)tried to unlawfully liquidate their factory, and make all the workers redundant. (something in that line)
They tried to do it through the back door, but - no chance. The french workers were onto it and held them hostage in the factory, until they signed a mutual agreement. It was hillarious to watch on TV.
The factory owners who were held hostage also declined any sandwiches or drinks that were offered, out of fear that the workers might spit or put other nasties in their food.

 

[ontoit2]

It reminds me:

With the 2008 crash, certain american factory owners (based in France)tried to unlawfully liquidate their factory, and make all the workers redundant. (something in that line)
They tried to do it through the back door, but - no chance. The french workers were onto it and held them hostage in the factory, until they signed a mutual agreement. It was hillarious to watch on TV.
The factory owners who were held hostage also declined any sandwiches or drinks that were offered, out of fear that the workers might spit or put other nasties in their food.

That's why France's growth is 1%<. Unemployment is 10%+ Standard & Poor’s stated in November 2013: “The downgrade reflects our view that the French government’s current approach to budgetary and structural reforms to taxation, as well as to product, services and labor markets, is unlikely to substantially raise France’s medium-term growth prospects.” Although not stated by the rating agencies, the Hollande government had gained a reputation – even within France – of being strongly anti-business. Conditions have not improved markedly since 2013 downgrades – debt is up (96.6% of GDP as of Q1 2014), the fiscal situation remains messy and job creation remains near nonexistent.
Great place to live. Hold those businesses hostage!

 

[Colonel Hogan]

Yeah, mob rule is always superior to any other form of social governance. What a fuck brain.

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

That's why France's growth is 1%<. Unemployment is 10%+ Standard & Poor’s stated in November 2013: “The downgrade reflects our view that the French government’s current approach to budgetary and structural reforms to taxation, as well as to product, services and labor markets, is unlikely to substantially raise France’s medium-term growth prospects.” Although not stated by the rating agencies, the Hollande government had gained a reputation – even within France – of being strongly anti-business. Conditions have not improved markedly since 2013 downgrades – debt is up (96.6% of GDP as of Q1 2014), the fiscal situation remains messy and job creation remains near nonexistent.
Great place to live. Hold those businesses hostage!

Perhaps relying on businesses for jobs is a bad strategy to begin with. After all, these hostage situations were CAUSED by job cuts in the first place.

 

[Aella_]

This thread didn't go the way I thought it would.
I actually admired the workers for what they did. Good on them, for not bowing to assholes!

 

[ontoit2]

So not rely on business to create jobs? The government creates jobs then? Take a look at how well that worked for Greece!

 

[Aella_]

the Eu is screwed up mainly because of the 2008 crash , the IMF banks and all the 0.01% . Let's stop blaming the victim. Because, how come they were doing so well before 2008?

 

[BotanyBoy]

Perhaps relying on businesses for jobs is a bad strategy to begin with. After all, these hostage situations were CAUSED by job cuts in the first place.

LOL if you have a job you're working for a business guy.

This thread didn't go the way I thought it would.
I actually admired the workers for what they did. Good on them, for not bowing to assholes!

Yea good on them, doesn't change the fact that their economy fucking sucks because their government is hostile to bidnizz.

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

LOL if you have a job you're working for a business guy.

I retired dude. In my 40s. I don't need a paycheck, or government assistance. Unlike you.

Yea good on them, doesn't change the fact that their economy fucking sucks because their government is hostile to bidnizz.

Idiot. Business screwed them over and sucked them dry and then cried out for bailouts.

 

[Aella_]

exactly.

 

[ontoit2]

They weren't. They "cooked the books" to make it look like they were. Look it up. It all caught up with them when the US situation took hold, and they couldn't recover because they had cooked the books. Compare where they are now to most of the world. Blaming business is not the answer. Taking a pension at the age of 50 is not the answer. They have to change and can't because of the societal pressure. It'll be a long road for them.

 

[BotanyBoy]

I retired dude. In my 40s. I don't need a paycheck, or government assistance. Unlike you.

Got you beat by at least a decade guy I'm 31 and chillin'...got people who make my money for me.

Idiot. Business screwed them over and sucked them dry and then cried out for bailouts.

Maybe they should quit buying that business's bullshit then.....

But it doesn't change the fact that when you go to far left and start strangling businesses in the name of lefty feel goodz the economy will suffer. You can only force a company to lose money in the name of fair for so long before it all falls apart.

 

[PoppingTom]

But it doesn't change the fact that when you go to far left and start strangling businesses in the name of lefty feel goodz the economy will suffer.

I don't miss the unrestrained not-feel-good economy.

We suffer on a high level.

 

[pensivepoet]

Yeah, mob rule is always superior to any other form of social governance. What a fuck brain.

Seems like America tried it once, and now we're stuck with the "tea party"
Q. How many people does it take to defend Paris?
A. No one knows~it's never been tried.

 

[Colonel Hogan]

Seems like America tried it once, and now we're stuck with the "tea party"

Oh, it's been implemented on many more occasions than the one you've referenced, and it's never been a reflection of our finest hours.

https://scontent-mia1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/988660_383015498484818_89621956_n.jpg?oh=9b8b3c708258cbfd2c80f18e75689639&oe=56A20B7B

 

[BotanyBoy]

I don't miss the unrestrained not-feel-good economy.

We suffer on a high level.

I never said going full bore redline the other direction was healthy either.

You don't really want either side to win in absoluteness, it ALWAYS sucks when they do. Both of them are fucking horrible in their true forms.

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

Got you beat by at least a decade guy I'm 31 and chillin'...got people who make my money for me.



Maybe they should quit buying that business's bullshit then.....

But it doesn't change the fact that when you go to far left and start strangling businesses in the name of lefty feel goodz the economy will suffer. You can only force a company to lose money in the name of fair for so long before it all falls apart.

Fuck them up the ass. Put up a basic guaranteed income so people won't even have an incentive to work for their sorry asses.

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

I never said going full bore redline the other direction was healthy either.

But we are WAY PAST REDLINE now, Jebediah. And you're throwing a fit because workers are mad as hell and they're not taking it anymore.

 

[doowdniw]

It reminds me:

With the 2008 crash, certain american factory owners (based in France)tried to unlawfully liquidate their factory, and make all the workers redundant. (something in that line)
They tried to do it through the back door, but - no chance. The french workers were onto it and held them hostage in the factory, until they signed a mutual agreement. It was hillarious to watch on TV.
The factory owners who were held hostage also declined any sandwiches or drinks that were offered, out of fear that the workers might spit or put other nasties in their food.

If memory serves me right, that was actually in China.

 

[doowdniw]

Because, how come they were doing so well before 2008?

Smoke and mirrors.

 

[Yardley]

Perhaps relying on businesses for jobs is a bad strategy to begin with. After all, these hostage situations were CAUSED by job cuts in the first place.

So, just have everyone pitch money into government's barrel and then have the government dig in the barrel and hand it out for make-work jobs. I can't see how such an economic scheme could possibly go wrong.

Who else can create an actual job that adds actual wealth to a nation if not a business? You can work for yourself of course and that benefits the GDP, but you are in that case a business of one.

GDP does not grow one single dollar from government jobs. It merely takes some of the capital out of the available present pool of capital and transfers it to someone else, but the sum is exactly the same. With a growing population that is "unsustainable" as your kind like to term things with no awareness of what that entails.

Only digging something out of the ground, building something, manufacturing something, creating something (including intellectual property) actually increases the pie that you want to share in such an egalitarian fashion. The root of it all is mostly mining for raw materials and farming. Everything itself is just trade fluctuations. Only mining and farming create wealth that did not previously come from someone else.

Socialism is a great way to define the wealth of a society downward.

 

[badbabysitter]

So, just have everyone pitch money into government's barrel and then have the government dig in the barrel and hand it out for make-work jobs. I can't see how such an economic scheme could possibly go wrong.

Who else can create an actual job that adds actual wealth to a nation if not a business? You can work for yourself of course and that benefits the GDP, but you are in that case a business of one.

GDP does not grow one single dollar from government jobs. It merely takes some of the capital out of the available present pool of capital and transfers it to someone else, but the sum is exactly the same. With a growing population that is "unsustainable" as your kind like to term things with no awareness of what that entails.

Only digging something out of the ground, building something, manufacturing something, creating something (including intellectual property) actually increases the pie that you want to share in such an egalitarian fashion. The root of it all is mostly mining for raw materials and farming. Everything itself is just trade fluctuations. Only mining and farming create wealth that did not previously come from someone else.

Socialism is a great way to define the wealth of a society downward.

instant counter argument

Hoover Dam


that one make work project literally discounted everyone of your talking points

 

[Yardley]

instant counter argument

Hoover Dam


that one make work project literally discounted everyone of your talking points

No it didn't. It is a large chunk of concrete in the middle of the desert. All it did was steal some water that actually belongs to Mexico and altered the value of some land at the expense of other land.

I guess I should clarify that one can increase the GDP by military conquest assuming spoils of war, or by outright theft.

Why do you hate Mexicans?

Your faulty premise also assumes much like the "We would have no roads if not for Government" argument that no entity could possibly fill that gap. Bechtel built it.

Bechtel would have loved to simply have the revenue from selling the water and power that that project made available.

 

[Aella_]

Smoke and mirrors.

Not really.
The Eu disaster was caused by decisions & shady deals that occurred After and not before the 2008 crisis.

"Why has Europe's economy done worse than the US?" - Mark Weisbrot, The Guardian
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jan/16/why-the-european-economy-is-worse

"The US recession technically lasted about a year and a half. The eurozone fell into a longer recession… How are we to explain these differences? The United States was, after all, the epicenter of the world financial crisis and recession in 2008.

Most vital is the accountability, or lack thereof, of the people and institutions making the decisions. In Europe you have the so-called "troika" – the European Central Bank (ECB), the European Commission, and (more recently recruited) the IMF. These are much less accountable to eurozone residents – especially but not limited to those of the most victimized countries (Spain, Greece, Portugal, Ireland, and Italy) – than even the relatively unaccountable Federal Reserve and US Congress and executive branch are to Americans.

Even worse, the European authorities have pursued a political agenda, and this involved actually using the crisis to promote certain "reforms" that the citizens of the victimized countries would never vote for."