Here's Something to Worry About

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Source:DEC 20 CNN (Matthew Robinson)

A German cop wanted to bareback his lady, so he doffed his jimmy-cap without telling her!

Oops! Sexual Assault! (Stealthing)

-eight-month suspended jail sentence

-€3,000 in damages,

-€96 fine to pay for a sexual health test for the female victim.

Would of been cheaper to go to a prostitute. I think. How much for a half-and-half in Berlin these daze?

So now, in addition to condom failure we have to worry about being stealthed! Omg!

Love,

Jamie
 
I just don't get what kind of relationship there should be between them for this to ever happen. And I mean both events, him dropping the rubber and her suing him for it. It seems awfully obvious whatever relationship there was couldn't possibly survive this.

Just about only scenarios it makes any sense to me would be:
1) she's a whore to begin with, then it's just business and safety standards;
2) she was having sex not because wanting having sex but for whatever else reason but sex itself, and this made the already bad situation unbearable;
3) she was desperate for an excuse to dump him already, and this come handy to drop him with a bang.

Well, of course I grew up in a culture where calling law enforcement was the absolutely last thing one would do, because it always had potential to create more and worse problems for everyone involved, but still...
 
I'll just post the CNN article. It was not marked copyrighted and it was on the ATT Splash page.


News*15 Hours AgoCNN — By Matthew Robinson, CNN

A German police officer has been found guilty of sexual assault for removing a condom during sexual intercourse without the consent of his partner,*an act known as "stealthing,"*in what is believed to be the first case of its kind to be prosecuted in Germany.
The defendant, 36, was found guilty at a local court in Berlin on December 11, after carrying out the offense at his apartment in the German capital on November 18, 2017, said Berlin's chief court spokeswoman, Lisa Jani.
He received an eight-month suspended jail sentence from the court and was fined €3,000 ($3,400) in damages, along with a €96 fine to pay for a sexual health test for the female victim.

The victim told the court that she "explicitly requested" the man to wear a condom and gave no consent to sexual intercourse without protection. She added that she realized that the man had not been wearing a condom only when he ejaculated, according to Jani.
The woman subsequently left his flat enraged -- worried that she might have caught a sexually transmitted disease -- and called the police to the defendant's property, but he did not open the door.
"Stealthing" is the subject of continuing legal and linguistic global debate. Its prosecution has only been made possible in Germany since the country's sexual crime laws were reformed in 2016, placing greater weight on consent when considering sexual assault claims.
Legal expert Alexandra Brodsky*wrote on the topic*in the Columbia Journal of Gender and Law, advocating for a new civil law that would specifically name the practice as "nonconsensual condom removal," in order to help victims gain justice.
Brodsky also noted that though no "stealthing" cases have been reviewed in the United States, criminal trials have taken place in other countries, including Switzerland and Canada.
In 2017, a man was convicted of rape in the criminal court of Lausanne, Switzerland, after taking off a condom during sexual intercourse without the knowledge of his partner.
A 2014 Supreme Court of Canada ruling also upheld a sexual assault conviction of a man who pierced holes in a condom without his sexual partner's knowledge.
He had previously been convicted of aggravated sexual assault and sentenced to 18 months in prison.
Jani confirmed to CNN that the police officer in the German case was tried for rape but noted that the court only found him guilty of sexual assault.
She added that while the court found his act of "stealthing" to be non-consensual, the sexual intercourse itself was deemed to be consensual.
If the man had been found guilty of rape, he would have faced a sentence of at least two years in prison -- the statutory minimum sentence in Germany.
Jani, however, noted that the prosecution of "stealthing" remains a gray area, as the defendant is, to her knowledge, the first person to be convicted of the offense in Germany.
"There is no precedent on which the judges could rely," she told CNN.
The man defended himself in court by stating that the condom had already ripped, prompting him to remove it completely. He also claimed that he ejaculated outside the woman's body, an assertion the victim denies.
The defendant has since stated that he will appeal the verdict to one of two higher courts in Berlin -- and the final outcome is still undetermined.
Prior to the reform of Germany's sexual crime laws in 2016, the country's legislation was considered antiquated as it required victims to show that they physically resisted attacks before charges of rape and sexual assault could be brought forward.
Following a backlash in the wake of sexual assaults carried out in Cologne on New Year's Eve 2015-6, the government overhauled the legislation and based it on the tenet of "no means no."
"We need strong sexual crime legislation. What we currently have is far too weak," Germany's former minister for women, Manuela Schwesig, told German news site SVZ prior to the 2016 reforms.
"Rapes against women are often not punished as a crime. The blame is often pinned on women and the perpetrators go unpunished."
The new legislation now takes into account any "verbal or physical cues" of objection to sexual contact, meaning that any victim who voices their refusal prior to a sexual assault can file a criminal complaint.
The regulations also make groping a sexual offense, facilitate the deportation of migrants convicted of sexual assault, and enable the prosecution of entire groups of individuals.

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thank you Jamie

thank you, Jamie, for giving us the full gruesome story of what can happen, when a poor fellow gets into the traps of that new German law. The following is a little bit of background:

This law was one of several "masterpieces" worked out by our Ministry of Justice, formerly run by Heiko Maas. All his masterpieces had the drawback of being fairly ineffective and pretty much unworkable.

Heiko Maas was replaced later by a woman minister, who does understand that job better. And he has been "kicked upstairs"; he now leads our Foreign Office in Germany, but fear not: Angela Merkel does foreign policy all be herself, so a minister in that office is not needed anyway.

I am curious about how the appeal will come out. The fact that this law has never once been invoked before, is most likely a sign also of its unworkability. ……. So much for my humble opinion.

Thank you Jamie, for highlighting this case.
 
thank you, Jamie, for giving us the full gruesome story of what can happen, when a poor fellow gets into the traps of that new German law. The following is a little bit of background:

This law was one of several "masterpieces" worked out by our Ministry of Justice, formerly run by Heiko Maas. All his masterpieces had the drawback of being fairly ineffective and pretty much unworkable.

Heiko Maas was replaced later by a woman minister, who does understand that job better. And he has been "kicked upstairs"; he now leads our Foreign Office in Germany, but fear not: Angela Merkel does foreign policy all be herself, so a minister in that office is not needed anyway.

I am curious about how the appeal will come out. The fact that this law has never once been invoked before, is most likely a sign also of its unworkability. ……. So much for my humble opinion.

Thank you Jamie, for highlighting this case.

“Poor fellow”... :eek:

Good lord, I despair of this place at times... :(
 
What's the penalty for trapping a man by claiming that you're on birth control?

For the record: if a condom is a condition for sex, then that is the condition, and there should be a penalty for taking it off stealthily.
 
This law was one of several "masterpieces" worked out by our ...

Sounds like a good law. Are you saying you disagree?


What I don't see mentioned is whether or not the Copper keeps his shield or not. Hopefully he was fired.
 
She and Michael are dancing "Arabian" at a private show. She didn't want to do it but she had too many favors called in.

Thank you Kriste, I found out by now, when I read a post of jamie. Are you attending the Performance also?
 
Sounds like a good law. Are you saying you disagree?

…. .

What did my comments on that law sound like, and on the Minister of Justice, under whose direction the law was formulated?

I am sure that with proper thinking about the subject of laws, and About their enforcability, a useful law could have been written, instead of this masterpiece.
 
Thank you Kriste, I found out by now, when I read a post of jamie. Are you attending the Performance also?

Attending the performance? Me?
No, WAY above my pay grade. It's a one-percenter deal. She's only doing it because they contribute to the foundation that gave her scholarship.
 
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