help with nonconsent rejection

[fannyrat]

Can anyone please clarify for me what the rules of submitting a nonconsent story actually are.

I have had a story rejected which details the individual rape of several women in the old west for the following reason.


We generally do not accept submissions of nonconsensual sex in which the "victim" gets absolutely no sort of thrill or enjoyment from the acts, or is seriously and /or permanently physically harmed/abused.


In most scenes I have depicted some women 'enjoying' the rape, but this is a corny story line. To try and have some form of realism one woman does not enjoy it. If you can only depict the act as enjoyable for the woman then all you end up with is a shy wife - to slut wife story.

If nonconsent is unacceptable then why have the category in the first place?

There are thousands of nonconsent stories which are poorly written, violent and downright brutal on this site which I am at a loss to understand how they qualify when mine doesn't.

Bemused

 

[Nezhul]

These are site rules. The site is privately owned, and the owners make their own rules. Really, there's not that many of them.

One of the rules says that the victim needs to get thrill out of rape. Most of the time writing that she came and it felt really good (despite emotional suffering) is quite enough to get your story accepted.

If nonconsent is unacceptable then why have the category in the first place?

It IS acceptable... as long as the victim gets a kick out of it.
It's better that way than not having it at all.

There are thousands of nonconsent stories which are poorly written, violent and downright brutal on this site which I am at a loss to understand how they qualify when mine doesn't.

Clearly, despite being poorly written they do this one thing right.
You should understand that the one deciding if the story is posted or not is, essentially, Laurel. It's her call what to accept and what not to accept. What rules to make. If she wanted to ban all stories with the name "Frank" in it - she could, because it's her site, her property.
You may disagree with the rules - it's okay. But you can't argue with them. Go find another place to post if you like, or simply make the heroine enjoy it somewhat.

 

[ChloeTzang]

Can anyone please clarify for me what the rules of submitting a nonconsent story actually are.

Put quite simply, the non-consenting participant has to get a thrill / enjoyment out of it. As long as that happens, you're good. If there's several, ALL of them need to enjoy. One exception will get you rejected.

Just rewrite it so that they all enjoy it and resubmit with a note explaining you've changed it.

As Nezhul said, site rules and they won't change. We all live with them. We've probably all run into them at one point or another. I have anyway. I just rewrote my story to fit the rules. It's that or find somewhere else. You could always post your original on asstr. They won't mind at all.

 

[Hypoxia]

It IS acceptable... as long as the victim gets a kick out of it.

Gender also has a role. A man can be drugged, bound, and raped by women riding his viagra-stiffened cock without his cumming -- that'll likely be approved. And besides the victim's lack of satisfaction, does the reader "get a kick out of it"? Was the rape written to arouse the audience? As author, condemn the rape, and it'll likely pass scrutiny.

IRL rape / sexual assault victims of any gender do not enjoy the violation but are severely traumatized. We gloss-over that ugly truth here in LIT fantasyland. I've thought of writing What Is Rape? as a companion piece to What Is Cheating? and What Is Incest? but I don't really have the stomach for it. I like to by wryly funny; the subject won't allow that.

 

[holliday1960]

Gender also has a role. A man can be drugged, bound, and raped by women riding his viagra-stiffened cock without his cumming -- that'll likely be approved. And besides the victim's lack of satisfaction, does the reader "get a kick out of it"? Was the rape written to arouse the audience? As author, condemn the rape, and it'll likely pass scrutiny.

IRL rape / sexual assault victims of any gender do not enjoy the violation but are severely traumatized. We gloss-over that ugly truth here in LIT fantasyland. I've thought of writing What Is Rape? as a companion piece to What Is Cheating? and What Is Incest? but I don't really have the stomach for it. I like to by wryly funny; the subject won't allow that.

You raise an interesting subject about male rape, but I will refrain from delving into that subject for now. (I once knew a man who was raped by a female.)
To the OP: I think one of the things that Laurel looks for is the level of violence in the sex scenes. Having not read your story, I can only suggest that you go back and look for ways to tone down any over the top violence. Naturally, you will have to do as the others suggested and give the one woman who didn't get immediate gratification a new perspective as well. (A lot of stories have put a spin on it as the women hating/blaming themselves for 'enjoying' the rape. The 'my body betrayed me' syndrome.)
It is as Hypoxia has pointed out repeatedly...Incest here is not at all relative to the real world. It's always written as a wonderfully light, fun-loving experience. Non-Con is expected to be done in a similar manner. That's just the way it is. We don't all agree with it, but we live with it. The site is based on Fantasy, not reality. Laurel clearly states that in her outline for the site's purpose as well as the rules. So sorry that you are feeling frustrated right now. We've all been there at one point or another. Good luck on your rewrite!

 

[sr71plt]

Yes, there seem to be sliding rules on what nonconsent/rape passes the editor's muster here and what doesn't. The reality of that is that only the editor, Laurel, decides that, so any discussion on where her edge is on a given story, and why, can only be hashed out with her directly, by PM (private message). It's just spinning wheels to continually go over it on the forum.

 

[OliviaM]

The focus of this site is sexual arousal, which is why certain elements won't be allowed here when they would be allowed in general literature. This is why all non-con scenes must include the "victim" in the sexual fantasy. Rape fantasies, not rapist fantasies. See the difference?

If your story must contain true rape in some form (backstory, plot element, etc) then it should be written in a way that is not intended to titillate, and definitely do not write it in great detail.

 

[sr71plt]

These threads almost always get around to pointing out where truly nonconsent rape and even snuff is being let through to the file, which is why I think the question should just be handed off to the editor making the selection.

 

[HandsInTheDark]

Rape fantasies, not rapist fantasies. See the difference?

This nails it.

Non-consent is sort of muddled together with reluctance here. If the other party said no before, and didn't like it afterward, it's defined as rape here, and not allowed. If the other party said no, came wildly, and comes to admit (however shamefully) she wanted it deep down, it's a fantastical sort of "rape but not really" that is permitted here and has a strong following.

As noted, Laurel decides based on her internal squick factor, which is not quantifiable, at least by others. Take it up with her; we're just writers here.

(All my non-con has sailed through, so you can hunt up my stuff if you want examples.)

 

[Nezhul]

If your story must contain true rape in some form (backstory, plot element, etc) then it should be written in a way that is not intended to titillate, and definitely do not write it in great detail.

I was thinking about that. So I have a vague outline for a detective story (yet still erotic) concerning matrix-like virtual reality. There the main bad guy basically kidnaps women (in VR) and rapes them. Do you think I could include them, if I wrote it the way that it's not a sexual scene but rather a back story with no juicy details?

 

[hylas_]

A platform for erotic stories is not the place to write about "some form of realistic" rape, hence the rules about non-con.

 

[sr71plt]

A platform for erotic stories is not the place to write about "some form of realistic" rape, hence the rules about non-con.

Well, except for those who have "realistic rape" fantasies. It can't be pinned down--and isn't here at Literotica either.

 

[Kimikimidoll]

Well, except for those who have "realistic rape" fantasies. It can't be pinned down--and isn't here at Literotica either.

Someone who has realistic rape fantasies still desires it, right?

It's a very odd kind of squick. The feelings you get afterwards (humiliated, hurt, afraid) are also arousing to the person who wants it. Again, the person imagining it imagines it in a very certain manner/situation, specific to their own little kinks and all.

Real rape is very different. For the site at least, as everyone pointed out, if the victim doesn't get pleasure in some little way, then it'd probably be rejected.

 

[sr71plt]

Someone who has realistic rape fantasies still desires it, right?

It's a very odd kind of squick. The feelings you get afterwards (humiliated, hurt, afraid) are also arousing to the person who wants it. Again, the person imagining it imagines it in a very certain manner/situation, specific to their own little kinks and all.

Real rape is very different. For the site at least, as everyone pointed out, if the victim doesn't get pleasure in some little way, then it'd probably be rejected.

I can't speak to the upper limits of anyone's fetishes/fantasies and I certainly can't speak for anyone who has actually been raped (although I will say that in my lifestyle nonconsent/rape had a very tolerant sex game threshold). After ten years on the forum, though, I can speak to the futility of anyone on the forum advising where Laurel's cut-off point is, and I can speak to this being a moving target and not pinned down by anyone posting to the forum (even Laurel, the truth be known). And I can agree with those who say there are plenty of stories posted to Literotica that don't meet the criteria given on this forum from time to time--frequently, ad nauseam.

The way to determine what will be posted to Literotica on any given day only goes through Laurel, who doesn't have a totally quantifiable "yes/no" standard and who does no more than loosely scan the submissions. So, you can submit and take your chances, you can ask Laurel before submitting, or you can have another one of these roundabout discussion threads that mean little.

But the answer to someone who has had their story rejected for this reason is to engage with Laurel directly via PM if you want to reach agreement on having the story posted either as is or rewritten. Nearly every story I've had rejected ultimately got posted as originally written because Laurel was making assumptions about what wasn't there and didn't research her assumptions--and I've had stories posted without question that don't meet the criteria you all are tossing about on this thread that I do think are legitimate erotica that doesn't justify anyone going out and doing that.

 

[ChloeTzang]

I can't speak to the upper limits of anyone's fetishes/fantasies and I certainly can't speak for anyone who has actually been raped (although I will say that in my lifestyle nonconsent/rape had a very tolerant sex game threshold). After ten years on the forum, though, I can speak to the futility of anyone on the forum advising where Laurel's cut-off point is, and I can speak to this being a moving target and not pinned down by anyone posting to the forum (even Laurel, the truth be known). And I can agree with those who say there are plenty of stories posted to Literotica that don't meet the criteria given on this forum from time to time--frequently, ad nauseam.

The way to determine what will be posted to Literotica on any given day only goes through Laurel, who doesn't have a totally quantifiable "yes/no" standard and who does no more than loosely scan the submissions. So, you can submit and take your chances, you can ask Laurel before submitting, or you can have another one of these roundabout discussion threads that mean little.

But the answer to someone who has had their story rejected for this reason is to engage with Laurel directly via PM if you want to reach agreement on having the story posted either as is or rewritten. Nearly every story I've had rejected ultimately got posted as originally written because Laurel was making assumptions about what wasn't there and didn't research her assumptions--and I've had stories posted without question that don't meet the criteria you all are tossing about on this thread that I do think are legitimate erotica that doesn't justify anyone going out and doing that.

Thankyou for that. Thats the best explanation I've read yet.