Help the ill and penniless neighbor.--poll

As to the morality or moral issue of helping one's ill and penniless neighbor:

  • It's none of the above, neither obligatory, nor virtuous, nor 'good will'; it's likely a waste of t

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    19
  • Poll closed .

Pure

Fiel a Verdad
Joined
Dec 20, 2001
Posts
15,135
The focus of the thread is on whether morality has anything to say about, in a non emergency situation, giving help to another person.

Rand's example:

A. ...to take an example that can occur in everyday life: suppose on hears that the man next door is ill and penniless. Illness and poverty are not metaphysical emergencies, they are part of the normal risks of existence; but since the man is temporarily helpless, one may bring him food and medicine, if one can afford it (as an act of good will, not of duty) or one may raise a fund among the neighbors to help him out. But this does not mean that one must support him from then on, nor that one must spend one’s life looking for starving men to help.” [VOS, P. 55.]

===============




Rand's rational ethic calls for one always to avoid sacrifice of self to others, to avoid harm to one's (rational) self interest (and not to use force to subordinate their interests to one's own). One's morality, she says, is to serve one's own interests; such is the result of a rational and objective analysis [see B and C, below].


Rand's explanation:

B. The moral purpose of a man's life is the achievement of his own happiness. This does not mean that he is indifferent to all men, that human life is of no value to him and that he has no reason to help others in an emergency. But it does mean that he does not subordinate his life to the welfare of others, that he does not sacrifice himself to their needs, that the relief of their suffering is not his primary concern, that any help he gives is an exception, not a rule, an act of generosity, not of moral duty, that it is marginal and incidental—as disasters are marginal and incidental in the course of human existence—and that values, not disasters, are the goal, the first concern and the motive power of his life."

- Ayn Rand, "The Ethics of Emergencies"
===


Peikoff, Rand's spokesperson, summarizes her rational analysis of the situation.

C. //Any action one takes to help another person ... must be chosen within the full context of one's own goals and values. One must determine the time, the effort, the money that is appropriate to spend, given the position of the recipient in one's evaluative hierarchy, and then act accordingly.

It follows that a man must certainly act to help a person in trouble whom he loves, even to the point of risking his own life in the case of danger. This is not a sacrifice if he loves the individual.... But the same reasoning, a man must certainly not help others promiscuously. He must not help men who defy his values, or who declare war on him, or of whom he has not knowledge whatever. If a man is to qualify as self sustaining and self respect, he must not help, let alone love, his enemy, or even his neighbor--not until he discover who the neighbor is and whether the person deserves to be helped. // p 238 Piekoff, Objectivism.
 
Last edited:
Leaving aside emergency (drowning man) situations for which she made limited allowance,


I am beginning to think that Rand (whoever or whatever he/she is) is a very wordy 'think tank' who's got it 'not quite right', from the little I see quoted on Lit. Her quoted analysis of this or that situation seems somehow false to me, and fails to take into account things I was taught as a child.

With regard to the above, however, it depends on who the man is. If it was one of our politicians, I'm not sure of the result (walk to the telephone in stead of running?)
 
This brings to mind a recent experiment. A bunch of people (students? I don't recall) were each given a sum of money - say $20. Half were instructed to spend the money on themselves, the other half were instructed to give the money away to a stranger. At the end of the exercise, the people who had given the money away felt better about themselves than the people who had spent the money on their own "self interest."

This would indicate to me that Rand has her head up her ass, but I have a tendency to want to cut through the BS of a situation in a very non-academic way, which could very well prove that I'm the one in the anatomically challenged position. Because of these lowbrow tendencies, I see Rand as just another asshole trying to justify being an asshole, but if I were more of an asshole than I already am, I'd probably think she was hot shit. (Assholes? Shit? I detect a theme here!)

Years ago, a friend of mine wrote a song called "I'm getting in touch with my inner asshole." It was a parody of sorts, skewering the self-help movement, and psychology in general. I think it would be appropriate to post the lyrics of that song here, but I loaned out the cassette (it's that old!) and never got it back (I'm that old!) so you'll have to rely on your own imagination to see the relevance of that song to Pure's Randian dilemma.
 
DEE ZIRE

Youre citing the two-headed snake fallacy. Two-headed snakes exist but they arent common and they dont represent the total population of snakes. Consequently, charity gaves very few people boners, and is uncommon. Hell! Some people enjoy being burned with cigarettes.

PURE

Your polls suck because you always omit choices like I DONT DONT GIVE A CRAP and FUCK THEM.
 
Too much to read, but

I passed a homeless guy on the way to the store. Bought a bag of apples and oranges for him. Turns out he couldn't use them because he had no teeth.
 
I am beginning to think that Rand (whoever or whatever he/she is) is a very wordy 'think tank' who's got it 'not quite right', from the little I see quoted on Lit. )
Pure is taking Rand out of personal context to a certain extent. Rand was born in Russia in 1905 and emigrated to the U.S. in 1926. So she was raised when early and fanatical communism was presenting the exact philosophical opposite, insisting that no one could morally be selfish. Everyone had to work, surrender what they made and serve the collective 24/7. She hated it.

Escaping to the U.S. in 1926, you can well imagine what she felt at being in a land of wealth and consumerism. She embraced that with a vengeance. So Rand's philosophy comes out of a particular time period and from a particular, personal reaction--hatred and fear of radical communism.

Like communism included, all such philosophies are pretty much thought exercises. They work only if those involved in them are all rational, reasonable, good-hearted human beings who value the system. They don't take into account people attempting to make use of the system rather than venerate it. All such systems are playing a utopian mind-game where what they imagine will happen never will in reality.
 
Last edited:
I voted for the second choice, but it would actually be a matter of the neighbor's character. Is he a nice guy who helps others when he can? Are his problems not of his own making? Is so, I would do what I could for him, within reason. Is he a mean drunk who keeps nasty dogs and throws water at trick-or-treaters and is an asshole in general? Then fuck him. Karma at work. :cool:
 
Rand would have agreed completely with the statement in that movie, "Greed is good." Her point of view completely ignores what was known then and what has been learned since about the essential social nature of human beings. Back in the Pleistocene, her philosophy would have resulted in her being abandoned by the band and left for the hyenas to finish off. Justice would have been served.
 
With all due respect to Pure for this interesting post, I have to say that I fail to see why an act of generosity has to be placed in a political/ideological context.

I have absolutely no love of Rand or her theories. Her work is astonishingly simplistic and ultimately boring.

To answer your question, though, I would give the neighbor some money and food to help out, and I would do it because I have something the neighbor needs and it feels right to help him/her.
 
Back in the Pleistocene, her philosophy would have resulted in her being abandoned by the band and left for the hyenas to finish off. Justice would have been served.
It would in this day and age as well if she lived in Somalia. Rand's philosophy, like that of Karl Marx, just doesn't work in the real world on anything like a large scale (though it can work fine on a small scale). Let's take the example at hand, only our poor person isn't sick. His kid is sick.

In Rand's mythical land, the poor person is supposed to believe in the system and say, "I will work at something, anything, and earn the money for myself and my family, as that is right and good. And if I can't earn the money, oh, well." But in the real world, if no one helps our desperate poor man, he's going to break into someone's house and steal the money he needs. In Rand's world, the homeowner might deal with this possibility by paying for protection, as there's no taxes and no city-paid police force (one might wonder why Rand is okay with paying for protection from robbery, but not with paying to help the poor man so he doesn't rob?). However, in the real world, if we had to buy our own police, then it's possible that the guy across the street might pay more. Thus leaving us unable to pay the inflated cost and not have any protection.

Rand's answer to that argument world be that in her world there is competition, so another police force might work for less money in order to get more jobs than the expensive police. But, once again, that ignores the real world where the expensive police might want a monopoly on the neighborhood. And so they drive out the new police--with violence if necessary. Who, after all, is going to stop them?

Which is all to say, you're right. Rand is ignoring facts about the real world even as she argues that her philosophy is factual and rational.

My point, however, is simply that I don't think there's any reason to vilify Rand more than any other philosopher with a simplistic notion of how to achieve utopia. There is no philosophy that I know of that is going to magically transform the majority of people on this planet into rational beings who want to follow a particular system, economic or otherwise. Even if there was such a magical philosophy, I doubt that it would somehow be able to take into account every possible eventuality from famines to swine flu to exploding supervolcanos. If a system can't account for these, then it's open to failure.
 
Another demand (the "stick your name on it") for an absolutist choice based on an incomplete supposition. for starters, it would depend a lot to me on how the neighbor got penniless and ill.
 
note to the nuanced

box and sr71,

feel free to deal with different cases:

a) he got that way through external 'bad luck' (robbed blind by his kids);
b) he got that way through taking a risk (hang gliding was his hobby);
c) he got that way through a criminal act: was in jail, then could get no work, etc.;
d) he got that way through his own acts (e.g. drug addict).

e) he got that way through no fault of his won, but is a disagreeable, uncharitable character, disgraced former president of the local objectivist society... because of an act of accidental, but unpardonable altruism.
===

note to jbj:

PURE

Your polls suck because you always omit choices like I DONT DONT GIVE A CRAP and FUCK 'EM


the last option was "don't care"; sorry about the lack of colorful wording!
 
Last edited:
Help the ill and penniless neighbor.--poll

The focus of the thread is on whether morality has anything to say about, in a non emergency situation, giving help to another person.

Any question on 'morality', or ethics, becomes, by definition, a philosophical question, not a collection of anecdotes or an expression of beliefs.

Since no one else here seems inclined to rise to the defense of Rand or Objectivism, it can either go unaddressed or I can attempt to clarify the issue.

I am not a 'Randist' or an 'Objectivist', as I hold fundamental disagreements with the philosophy and Libertarianism concerning the 'pro choice contingent', I am further an atheist and I hold that abortion is murder; Rand endorsed the 'pro choice' advocates.

Thus far, Lesbiaphrodite spoke of, 'needs', perhaps as in, "from each according to his ability, to each according to his needs?" VM spoke of "Greed", Box of 'Pragmatism or utilitarianism'. 3113, Rand's history, Russia, fear/hatred,
Deezire, 'good feeling from giving', Handley Page, 'learned as a child'....

Ayn Rand offers a complete philosophy of life, addressing the very roots of human actions and behavior and 'giving', or charity, is just one very small aspect of the human condition.

There have been and always will be, the penniless, the poor, the sick and mentally incompetent, among any society, anywhere at any time.

The larger question that Rand addresses is how society, any gathering of humans, deals with the poor and needful.
"...My views on charity are very simple. I do not consider it a major virtue and, above all, I do not consider it a moral duty. There is nothing wrong in helping other people, if and when they are worthy of the help and you can afford to help them. I regard charity as a marginal issue. What I am fighting is the idea that charity is a moral duty and a primary virtue...."

“Playboy’s Interview with Ayn Rand,” March 1964.


Her position is consistent with Objectivist views on Altruism, the Christian concept of morals and her anti collectivist stand against Marxism, the 'from each to each', mentioned above.

I challenge anyone here to state a more concise summation of, 'giving' than the bolded portion of Rand's statement above.

Amicus
 
box and sr71,

feel free to deal with different cases:

a) he got that way through external 'bad luck' (robbed blind by his kids);
b) he got that way through taking a risk (hang gliding was his hobby);
c) he got that way through a criminal act: was in jail, then could get no work, etc.;
d) he got that way through his own acts (e.g. drug addict).

e) he got that way through no fault of his won, but is a disagreeable, uncharitable character, disgraced former president of the local objectivist society... because of an act of accidental, but unpardonable altruism.
===

note to jbj

PURE

Your polls suck because you always omit choices like I DONT DONT GIVE A CRAP and FUCK 'EM


the last option was "don't care"; sorry about the lack of colorful wording!

Isn't "unpardonable altruism" an oxymoron? Why would there be any reason to pardon an act of altruism? :confused:

As for the other things, it would depend on the person's personality. If he happened to be a mean-spirited asshole, I wouldn't help him out under any circumstances, although I might help out his family. Otherwise, I would be much more inclined to help a person who had a run of bad luck than one who got himself into difficulty through his own stupid acts.
 
note to ami

hi ami,

thanks for contributing. what you call the 'anecdote' is an illustrative case offered by Rand. as to her position, you offer:

ami quoting Rand

There is nothing wrong in helping other people, if and when they are worthy of the help and you can afford to help them;

please note this is pretty close to my option 4, which i represented as Rand's:

It's neither obligatory nor virtuous, but simply an exceptional act, in the exercise of 'good will'.(Rand) .

further, note i gave both her own explanation {B},

rand the relief of their {others'} suffering is not his primary concern, that any help he gives is an exception, not a rule, an act of generosity, not of moral duty, that it is marginal and incidental—

and also gave Peikoff's summary,[C], so the reasoning is pretty plain.
 
Last edited:
Help the ill and penniless neighbor.--poll



Any question on 'morality', or ethics, becomes, by definition, a philosophical question, not a collection of anecdotes or an expression of beliefs.

Since no one else here seems inclined to rise to the defense of Rand or Objectivism, it can either go unaddressed or I can attempt to clarify the issue.

I am not a 'Randist' or an 'Objectivist', as I hold fundamental disagreements with the philosophy and Libertarianism concerning the 'pro choice contingent', I am further an atheist and I hold that abortion is murder; Rand endorsed the 'pro choice' advocates.

Thus far, Lesbiaphrodite spoke of, 'needs', perhaps as in, "from each according to his ability, to each according to his needs?" VM spoke of "Greed", Box of 'Pragmatism or utilitarianism'. 3113, Rand's history, Russia, fear/hatred,
Deezire, 'good feeling from giving', Handley Page, 'learned as a child'....

Ayn Rand offers a complete philosophy of life, addressing the very roots of human actions and behavior and 'giving', or charity, is just one very small aspect of the human condition.

There have been and always will be, the penniless, the poor, the sick and mentally incompetent, among any society, anywhere at any time.

The larger question that Rand addresses is how society, any gathering of humans, deals with the poor and needful.
Quote:
"...My views on charity are very simple. I do not consider it a major virtue and, above all, I do not consider it a moral duty. There is nothing wrong in helping other people, if and when they are worthy of the help and you can afford to help them. I regard charity as a marginal issue. What I am fighting is the idea that charity is a moral duty and a primary virtue...."




“Playboy’s Interview with Ayn Rand,” March 1964.

Her position is consistent with Objectivist views on Altruism, the Christian concept of morals and her anti collectivist stand against Marxism, the 'from each to each', mentioned above.

I challenge anyone here to state a more concise summation of, 'giving' than the bolded portion of Rand's statement above.

Amicus

The bolded part pretty much describes what my attitude would be, so far as personally providing help. If somebody else wanted to help a stingy asshole, I would consider it to be that other person's business, not mine.
 
Pure, the 'anecdotes' I referred to were by posters, not your OP.

I just had a thought though, that Rand's philosophy is really a rather 'common sense' approach, at least to ethics and morals, one that most people intuitively understand.

The dislike of Rand and Objectivism, has always been from academia, professional philosophers whose applecarts have been overturned by her rejection of classical thought and of course by the Marxists, who occupy a huge part of the academic scene in all disciplines.

That, added to by the religious, as she is an announced atheist, still does not explain why her books continue to sell upwards of 400,000 copies each year, year after year.

I should be so fortunate.

Amicus
 
I have to admit the answers that depend on 'nuance' strike me as most chilling. Surely whichever vote one takes (and I do mean whichever, I'm not hinting at one or the other) the answer depends on the helper, not on the party in need.

"Sorry, outside of me and mine, it's just none of my business" is an answer I can understand better than an answer that depends on the unfortunate person's merits.
 
The discussion would be a great deal more interesting to me personally if other thinkers/philosophers besides Rand were brought to bear on the subject of morality/ethics. All the great minds have had something to say about the subject from Aristotle to Hegel to Arendt. My personal interest is in Michel Foucault's thoughts on the subject. I have outlined below an excerpt from an essay describing Foucault's ideas about morality:

Foucault fundamentally denies the existence of a universal code of ethics or morality. His ideas are, in part, an adaptation of genealogy, the study of origins. Foucault argues that values do not have any origins and so cannot be predetermined universally by a metaphysical being. Rather, he proposes that values are the by-products of a non-progressive historical process. Values, he argues, do not evolve or progress over time; they are simply structures of knowledge established by power and violence at a time in history. Hence, the history of values is merely the history of dominance and power struggles between the ruling forces of a given time. Furthermore, the human has no power to create or direct the course of these values; the human is simply subjected to this history of violence and exclusion without choice. The human lacks both the creative ability and the freedom to create history or to shape values; rather, history creates and controls the human.

Foucault stands in stark contrast to Karl Marx, who states: “The materialist doctrine that men are products of circumstances and upbringing, and that, therefore, changed men are products of other circumstances and changed upbringing, forgets that it is men who change circumstances and that the educator must himself be educated.”1 Marx argues that humans are both the products of and creators of history. History shapes humans, but cannot consume us, for we in turn create and control history.Foucault denies any human power to shape history...


I'm not sure that I agree wholeheartedly with Foucault in his ideas about man's lack of control/power over his own morality or ethics, but I do think he makes a very interesting point. Are we not all a product of our time/place and do we not subscribe to a set of ideas that were decided for us by others in power? If that is so, then who is really making the decision about whether to help someone in need? Is it our own individual moral code (which Foucault says does not exist) or is it the social moral code of our time that tells us we should? I do not know.
 
I have to admit the answers that depend on 'nuance' strike me as most chilling. Surely whichever vote one takes (and I do mean whichever, I'm not hinting at one or the other) the answer depends on the helper, not on the party in need.

"Sorry, outside of me and mine, it's just none of my business" is an answer I can understand better than an answer that depends on the unfortunate person's merits.

~~~

And a 'nuanced' reply as well, if I read you as intended, the, 'chilling', I assume or interpret to mean the 'needy' and that troubles you?

In my little tribe of ten thousand years ago, as in Jean Auel's portrayal of Neandertals, even among a small gathering there are those, who for one reason or another, are ill prepared to survive in the 'cold times' when animal and plant resources are scarce. Those with foresight, hard work and independence, along with responsibility, were best prepared.

I may as well include a reference to the economic patterns that best reflect the concerns of the individual; one of freedom, so that those who excel are left free to produce and may produce a surplus, even in trying times, which they may trade or barter as they see fit.

My people and Auel's as well, gave freely, as they could, to assist those in need, who, through no fault of their own, required help from others; but they were very reluctant to help those who were lazy and idled their time away during the, 'warm' season. They also came to the aid of the injured or infirmed, sharing their resources as they could without endangering their own existence.

Amicus
 
~~~

And a 'nuanced' reply as well, if I read you as intended, the, 'chilling', I assume or interpret to mean the 'needy' and that troubles you?

In my little tribe of ten thousand years ago, as in Jean Auel's portrayal of Neandertals, even among a small gathering there are those, who for one reason or another, are ill prepared to survive in the 'cold times' when animal and plant resources are scarce. Those with foresight, hard work and independence, along with responsibility, were best prepared.

I may as well include a reference to the economic patterns that best reflect the concerns of the individual; one of freedom, so that those who excel are left free to produce and may produce a surplus, even in trying times, which they may trade or barter as they see fit.

My people and Auel's as well, gave freely, as they could, to assist those in need, who, through no fault of their own, required help from others; but they were very reluctant to help those who were lazy and idled their time away during the, 'warm' season. They also came to the aid of the injured or infirmed, sharing their resources as they could without endangering their own existence.

Amicus

To bring it down from philosophical heights (though I appreciate Lesbia's posting immensely and hope it gathers some replies), I'll just say, if a neighbor finds himself jobless, penniless, and helpless, and if I can provide some help without endangering myself or mine, I won't ask if he's a crack addict or an unlucky hero. He's a person who's going hungry and if I have food to spare, it's none of my business how he got there.
 
Well, of course, we don't always help. These days, how many of us even know our neighbors that well?

If it were someone more within our group -- a friend, a co worker, a member of the congregation -- help might be more likely to be forthcoming. For a stranger, even if they live nearby -- not so likely.

We would like, perhaps, to imagine that we have built social structures to help that other, without the need for the messiness of personal intervention. Food pantries, medical clinics, homeless shelters, that sort of thing, institutions that we can support that will take care of the needy, so that we need not fret about them. Better than having them wailing in the streets, disturbing us.

So much need, so much misery, and we have so little, really, barely enough for ourselves, our children, our own security. We pay taxes, don't we? We even give to charities.

And so we fail.

"Inasmuch as you do unto one of the least of these, you do unto me"

Those words are the moral imperative for Christians, one that we rarely, rarely attain.
 
Posts 6 & 10, 3113, says about the same thing and I wish to address the assumption or presumption made:
"...My point, however, is simply that I don't think there's any reason to vilify Rand more than any other philosopher with a simplistic notion of how to achieve utopia. There is no philosophy that I know of that is going to magically transform the majority of people on this planet into rational beings who want to follow a particular system, economic or otherwise. Even if there was such a magical philosophy, I doubt that it would somehow be able to take into account every possible eventuality from famines to swine flu to exploding supervolcanos. If a system can't account for these, then it's open to failure..."

On one level, 3113, you make an excellent point, for any one system to address such diverse cultures ranging from the frigid north and south, Eskimo's, Inuit's, to residents of Terra del Fuego at the southern most tip of South America, to the temperate climates of Europe and portions of North America, to the arid, tropical or equatorial peoples, all of whom met their needs in ways the environment permitted.

Rather than disproving the assertions of Rand, the cultural diversity, the ability of man to adapt and change his environment for his survival, by using his mind, indicates without question, the universal ability of man to not just survive, but flourish under extremely diverse conditions.

That is the very foundation of Objectivism and Rand's thoughts, that life is the basic fundamental value and that man must use his mind to survive.

"... I doubt that it would somehow be able to take into account every possible eventuality from famines to swine flu to exploding supervolcanos. If a system can't account for these, then it's open to failure..."

History rejects your postulation as 'man' has survived a super volcano, an ice age, a mini ice age and the black plague and the worst plague of all, Christianity, and still flourishes.

There were those who scoffed at Albert Einstein when he presented his."General Theory of Relativity", which turned Newtonian Physics on its' head and became the foundation for contemporary cosmology.

Ayn Rand has accomplished the same effect in the world of contemporary philosophy, rejecting the past, the Altruism of both Christianity and Marxism, and postulating a rational basis for human behavior and actions.

Using Ayn Rand's philosophy, mankind might well survive an E.L.E., an extinction level event by diverting an asteroid or comet, may well invent a 'shield' from solar radiation when the earth's magnetic shield collapses, as it has done in the past and, of course, the mind of man has conquered Polio, a host of child killing diseases in the MMRP vaccines for infants.

It is not an, 'ideal world', or a perfect one for which Rand has crafted a philosophy, it is the world we inhabit and the creature in focus is man, the sentient animal.

Amicus
 
"... Are we not all a product of our time/place and do we not subscribe to a set of ideas that were decided for us by others in power? If that is so, then who is really making the decision about whether to help someone in need? Is it our own individual moral code (which Foucault says does not exist) or is it the social moral code of our time that tells us we should? I do not know...
"


http://usabig.com/autonomist/articles6/doctors.html ( searching under, 'critics foucault', I found this....speaks, among other things of socialized medicine.

http://www.adequacy.org/stories/2001.8.22.0219.37804.html
There is unrest in the forest,
There is trouble with the trees,
For the maples want more sunlight
And the oaks ignore their pleas.

The trouble with the maples,
(And they're quite convinced they're right)
They say the oaks are just too lofty
And they grab up all the light.
But the oaks can't help their feelings
If they like the way they're made.
And they wonder why the maples
Can't be happy in their shade?

There is trouble in the Forest
And the creatures all have fled
As the Maples scream 'Oppression!'
And the Oaks, just shake their heads

So the maples formed a union
And demanded equal rights.
'These oaks are just too greedy;
We will make them give us light.'
Now there's no more oak oppression,
For they passed a noble law,
And the trees are all kept equal
By hatchet,
Ax,
And saw.
Rush - The Trees

Indeed, we are kept down with hatchet, ax and saw. This parable clearly underscores how the small people continue to force those graced with power and influence to bend to the will of those who are not worthy, resorting to violence rather than reason to have their way. The music of Rush asks: Which are you? A noble oak, rising towards the sun, or a weak maple, whining about the unfairness of it all rather than bettering yourself through improved photosynthesis and nutrient gathering? The implied inferiority of the maple, national tree of Canada, is clearly intentional and represents Peart's dissatisfaction his socialist homeland. ..

~~~

Again, searching for critics of Foucault, of whom I am not familiar, I became distracted with the above...for what it's worth....:)

ami
 
Another demand (the "stick your name on it") for an absolutist choice based on an incomplete supposition. for starters, it would depend a lot to me on how the neighbor got penniless and ill.
Well, but to be fair, Pure's choice is no different from Rand's. She doesn't describe how the person got poor and ill either. But I'm wondering whether Rand is arguing against the Marxist axiom of "From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs," or against religious dictums to give to the poor.

Both would say that there is a moral obligation to giving money to the poor whether they are deserving of it or not.
 
Back
Top