Helium 3, Earth's energy problems solved!

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Moon For Sale

"Moon For Sale" is a Science Channel program I watched tonight, Original Air Date, 05/05/07

Among some of the 'sound bites' I jotted:
"Strip mine the moon for helium 3."
"Power the Earth Forever",
"Soil on the Moon is 40 percent Oxygen.",
"Drinking water made from Moon Soil"

Learned some things from this program, thought to share.


Keyword search: Helium three fusion



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helium-3

"...Cosmochemist and geochemist Ouyang Ziyuan from the Chinese Academy of Sciences who is now in charge of the Chinese Lunar Exploration Program has already stated on many occasions that one of the main goals of the program would be the mining of helium-3, from where "each year three space shuttle missions could bring enough fuel for all human beings across the world."[19]

In January 2006 the Russian space company RKK Energiya announced that it considers lunar helium-3 a potential economic resource to be mined by 2020..".[20]


http://www.*************/helium3/

"...The moon is said to have an abundance of Helium 3, in fact somewhere around 1,100,000 metric tonnes. In retrospect it will take only an estimated 100 tonnes to power the earth for a year.

the Chinese plan to land on the moon in 2017 to do research on the moon and to look for Helium 3.

The following year, the United States of America plans to return to the moon and set up a base. Should the US try to speed things up so that they claim the rights to the Helium 3?..."



http://www.engr.wisc.edu/wiscengr/issues/feb97/helium.html

Helium Three as a New Source of Energy for Earth
By Dan Pierpont

"...Looking into the twenty-first century, the need for an alternative energy source to fuel the world's demand for more power, is becoming increasingly apparent. How long can the world's oil reserves last? How long can we use coal for combustion? Is nuclear power a safe and endless energy source? What happens when the earth's natural resources finally run dry? All of these problems could be solved if we could find a new abundant energy source. Well, it just so happens that we have a new energy source that we are not taking advantage of. Helium three or 3He fusion could solve the energy problems of the world for centuries to come. 3He is found here on earth in relatively small amounts, which makes it very difficult to recover. However, it is present in large quantities other places in the galaxy, most importantly, the moon.."

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"...One day Dean Bollinger, the Dean of Engineering at the University of Wisconsin, was lecturing about energy in an Introduction to Engineering class, and he explained a very interesting idea. Let's think ahead a minute and pretend we could fly our space shuttle Discovery to the moon. If we could land the space shuttle on the moon, then fill the cargo with canisters of 3He mined from the surface, and bring the shuttle back to earth that 3He cargo could supply the entire electrical power needs of the United States for an entire year. That strikes me as an awful lot of energy, for such a small amount of 3He, and in fact the energy payback for one kilogram of 3He is ~250. In other words, the energy you receive from fusion is 250 times the energy you put into obtaining the 3He. This is amazing considering the payback for nuclear fission of uranium is ~10 and coal combustion is ~11. Of course the payback of ~250 for 3He does not include the energy needed to make a fusion plant, and the energy used to make the fusion occur. However, even if we subtract this from the ~250, the energy payback is ~ 44, which is still significantly larger than all other current forms of energy.. ."


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In light of recent discussions, on this forum and elsewhere, this served as a reminder to me that we cannot predict the future; we do not know in advance how problems, such as the energy crisis, may be solved.

There seemed to be a great deal of scientific enthusiasm on the program, "Moon for Sale", and in the websites I visited.

Enjoy...


amicus...
 
I heard about using the soil of the moon to create water years ago when I was in middle school. Scientists believed that it would be one of the keys for being able to colonize the moon.
 
[QUOTE=Lee Chambers]I heard about using the soil of the moon to create water years ago when I was in middle school. Scientists believed that it would be one of the keys for being able to colonize the moon.[/QUOTE]


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Yes, from what I gathered from the program, while posting, was that scientists took some actual moon soil, brought back by the Astronauts and did process it and create water. Had not heard that before.

thanks...and yes, that was the rationale they used, that a moon colony could then be almost self supporting with oxygen and water, 'in situ', they said, instead of having to transport it from earth.

amicus...
 
Interesting information here Ami. Thanks, I'll take a look at it.

Cat
 
A little disappointing to me, but I'll live, the lack of commentary on this program and discovery.

I suppose it is the fact that a 'high tech', mass energy producing, non polluting power source for the future really is an 'inconvenient truth', to the bio and alternative energy source peeps...ah well...

Watched the Shuttle Endeavor fly today in a perfect launch, heard that next year a moon recon orbiter will be launched to determine suitable landing site for 2018 base camp construction. Exciting things happening.

amicus...
 
amicus said:
A little disappointing to me, but I'll live, the lack of commentary on this program and discovery.

I suppose it is the fact that a 'high tech', mass energy producing, non polluting power source for the future really is an 'inconvenient truth', to the bio and alternative energy source peeps...ah well...

Watched the Shuttle Endeavor fly today in a perfect launch, heard that next year a moon recon orbiter will be launched to determine suitable landing site for 2018 base camp construction. Exciting things happening.

amicus...

Hey I'm still working through the links you gave me. Give me some time and I'll give you some commentary. (Although it does look interesting.)

Yes it was an absolutely beautiful launch. I dragged a small TV outside so I could watch it both on TV and live. (I could barely see the smoke trail from here. It's more than a bit hazy.)

I haven't visited NASA yet, are there any comments about the launch there yet?

Cat
 
amicus said:
A little disappointing to me, but I'll live, the lack of commentary on this program and discovery.

I suppose it is the fact that a 'high tech', mass energy producing, non polluting power source for the future really is an 'inconvenient truth', to the bio and alternative energy source peeps...ah well...

Watched the Shuttle Endeavor fly today in a perfect launch, heard that next year a moon recon orbiter will be launched to determine suitable landing site for 2018 base camp construction. Exciting things happening.

amicus...

I heard from a guy at work that a couple of weeks back that a contractor working for NASA sabatogued (sp?) a computer on that shuttle. I hope that made sure there were no problems before lift off.

On the moon thing, one concern I have is the long term effects of processing the moon since we rely on the moon's gravity to regulate the continued workings of the earth. So would mining the moon have an effect on it's gravity or would it just take centuries before we began to notice any changes?
 
Lee Chambers said:
I heard from a guy at work that a couple of weeks back that a contractor working for NASA sabatogued (sp?) a computer on that shuttle. I hope that made sure there were no problems before lift off.

On the moon thing, one concern I have is the long term effects of processing the moon since we rely on the moon's gravity to regulate the continued workings of the earth. So would mining the moon have an effect on it's gravity or would it just take centuries before we began to notice any changes?

If the "miners" take some kind of waste material, or even plain dirt with them and leave it there, that would make up for anything that was removed.
 
Boxlicker101 said:
If the "miners" take some kind of waste material, or even plain dirt with them and leave it there, that would make up for anything that was removed.

That's a good point.

So what are we waiting for!? There's...er...water in them there hills! :cool:
 
SeaCat said:
Hey I'm still working through the links you gave me. Give me some time and I'll give you some commentary. (Although it does look interesting.)

Yes it was an absolutely beautiful launch. I dragged a small TV outside so I could watch it both on TV and live. (I could barely see the smoke trail from here. It's more than a bit hazy.)

I haven't visited NASA yet, are there any comments about the launch there yet?

Cat

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I still have the NASA Channel on, all is still going well, in preparation for docking Friday afternoon.

I found the program fascinating and very interesting as it may in fact provide a solution, although not an immediate one, to the coming energy crunch.

Appreciate your post, thank you.

amicus...
 
Lee Chambers said:
I heard from a guy at work that a couple of weeks back that a contractor working for NASA sabatogued (sp?) a computer on that shuttle. I hope that made sure there were no problems before lift off.

On the moon thing, one concern I have is the long term effects of processing the moon since we rely on the moon's gravity to regulate the continued workings of the earth. So would mining the moon have an effect on it's gravity or would it just take centuries before we began to notice any changes?

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All I heard on the sabotage was that the damaged computer was discovered before the launch and all was remedied.

I don't have the math to do the calculations as to whether removing material from the moon in those quantities would affect the overall mass/gravity of the moon, but it can be calculated.

I did hear, on another science program recently, that the earth accumulates millions of tons of space dust and meteorites annually which must increase the mass of the planet, thus I assume, based on size equivalency, that the moon must add to its mass as the earth does.

regards...

amicus...
 
[QUOTE=Lee Chambers]That's a good point.

So what are we waiting for!? There's...er...water in them there hills! :cool:[/QUOTE]


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Hello, Lee...interesting also. An acquaintance came by and watched the launch with me and we stayed with the channel for the post launch NASA and Houston press interviews and some interesting things came to light, one pertinent to your question, what are we waiting for...

The space shuttle program will cease in 2010, the next generation manned vehicles, the Orion series, will not come on line until 2015, leaving a period of five years where there will be no US manned space flights at all.

We will 'buy' supply vehicles and delivery from the Russians to supply the space station; but that got me to wondering why the distance between the end of the shuttle and Orion.

In the article it mentions that both the Russians and the Chinese have mission planning for 2017 and possibly earlier, which will precede US efforts to establish a moon base.

Dunno why the delay nor what it might mean. What would happen if either 'claimed' the moon and quarantined the US?

We also discussed mining the 'gas giants' for Helium Three and the Asteroids for other minerals, all possible,but not without a vehicle...well...maybe a robotic mission...again...just dunno...

thanks again


amicus...
 
amicus said:
[QUOTE=Lee Chambers]That's a good point.

So what are we waiting for!? There's...er...water in them there hills! :cool:



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Hello, Lee...interesting also. An acquaintance came by and watched the launch with me and we stayed with the channel for the post launch NASA and Houston press interviews and some interesting things came to light, one pertinent to your question, what are we waiting for...

The space shuttle program will cease in 2010, the next generation manned vehicles, the Orion series, will not come on line until 2015, leaving a period of five years where there will be no US manned space flights at all.

We will 'buy' supply vehicles and delivery from the Russians to supply the space station; but that got me to wondering why the distance between the end of the shuttle and Orion.

In the article it mentions that both the Russians and the Chinese have mission planning for 2017 and possibly earlier, which will precede US efforts to establish a moon base.

Dunno why the delay nor what it might mean. What would happen if either 'claimed' the moon and quarantined the US?

We also discussed mining the 'gas giants' for Helium Three and the Asteroids for other minerals, all possible,but not without a vehicle...well...maybe a robotic mission...again...just dunno...

thanks again


amicus...[/QUOTE]

I imagine that if we the Russians or the Chinese tried to cut us off from the moon things would get...ugly. Very ugly. I imagine the same if were to make the same attempt if we managed to get there first (although technically we already did, we just don't have any physical way of stopping someone else going up there yet other than shooting them out of the sky mid-flight...God forbid).

As for the delay, who knows. Could be problems with securing enough budget money or it could be delays in R&D. Then again it could just be red tape. Still, I honestly don't like the idea of relying on the Russians for our space travel needs for five years. A lot is going to change during that time period.
 
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