Hawking joins war protest tribute to Iraq dead

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Duncan Campbell, November 3, 2004, The Guardian

Stephen Hawking last night joined writers, politicians, actors, sports stars, students and peace campaigners in a reading of the names of those who have lost their lives In Iraq since the conflict began. Beneath a floodlit Lord Nelson in Trafalgar Square, the author of A Brief History of Time read the names of Iraqi civilians who had died and explained why he had come to London to be part of the reading.

"The war was based on two lies," he said through his voice synthesiser. Both the claims of weapons of mass destruction and linkage to September 11 had proved untrue. "It has been a tragedy for all the families. If that is not a war crime, what is?" He added: "I apologise for my pronunciation. My speech synthesiser was not designed for Iraqi names."

The reading, organised by the Stop the War Coalition, was one of hundreds taking place all over Britain and in other countries, including Italy, Spain, Switzerland, Australia and Iraq. More than 5,000 names were read out in front of hundreds of anti-war campaigners and passers-by. Ken Livingstone, the London mayor, said that the US election day had been chosen as the appropriate day for the event. He recited the names of Iraqi children who had died. Chris Eubank, the former world middleweight boxing champion, read the names of British soldiers. Among those also reading names were writer Harold Pinter, actors Neil Pearson and Corin Redgrave, MPs Jeremy Corbyn and George Galloway and American students who opposed the war.

Last week, the Stop the War Coalition estimated that more than 25,000 people had been killed in the conflict. However, that number has now been revised in the wake of the publication in the Lancet of a survey indicating that the number of deaths attributed to the war could be as high as 100,000. The names read out ranged from British Lance Corporal Matty Hull and Iraqi children to Thai servicemen.
 
ABSTRUSE said:
Great article P...love Hawking.

He defintiely commands respect. His biography is quite interesting.

Thanks for posting that Perdita
 
They should save their breath. The truth is that 51% of America doesn't give a fuck over how many Iraqis die or what the rest of the world thinks.

---dr.M.
 
Originally posted by dr_mabeuse
They should save their breath. The truth is that 51% of America doesn't give a fuck over how many Iraqis die or what the rest of the world thinks.

---dr.M.

Or that they do, and its a matter far more complicated than lack of concern about those things.
 
Mab., I understand your anger, but my reason for posting this news has nought to do with anger, or even Americans.

Perdita
 
Here's what struck me profoundly.

That this sentence came from the mind and with the integrity of such a person as Hawking: "The war was based on two lies."

And that the same man said this: "I apologise for my pronunciation. My speech synthesiser was not designed for Iraqi names."

Perdita
 
Joe Wordsworth said:
Or that they do, and its a matter far more complicated than lack of concern about those things.

According to political expert Dr. Whatareyousomekindafaggot, the opinions of the political group known as "traitors" shouldn't influence our actions overseas. Also, he expressed considerable dismay over Bush's hesitancy to "turn the Middle East into a glowing green glass desert".

I think it's safe to say that at least a good 70-80% of Americans have made up their mind one way or another about this war and feel that the other side's point has as much merit as painfully slow suicide. Some may care, but disagree or remain undecided, but for many Jesus himself could turn out pro or against the war and not be able to dissuade them.
 
Joe, Mab, Luc: would you please fucking take these arguments somewhere else. Please, I beg you.

Perdita
 
perdita said:
Joe, Mab, Luc: would you please fucking take these arguments somewhere else. Please, I beg you.

Perdita

Hey, you don't have me on ignore after all. All right, I agree unconditionally to refrain from both sarcasm and political responses on this thread.

And I as well greatly revere Hawking's scientific mind. What he has done for the field of astrophysics and in fact physics in general is unparalleled except for his predecessor Einstein and Newton before him. He is arguably one of the finest living minds and unmistakably the greatest mind to overcome the disabilities he has been stricken with.

I'm greatly looking forward to what else he will do for the scientific community in the near future. He is truly an inspiration for many of us who are pursuing scientific careers especially those of us who are not planning on going into industry, but rather academic research.
 
Thank you, Luc. I don't even recall having you on ignore, but I won't deny it ;) . I want to also mention that SH has a fine sense of humour. P.
 
perdita said:
Thank you, Luc. I don't even recall having you on ignore, but I won't deny it ;) . I want to also mention that SH has a fine sense of humour. P.

I know he does, but I've always been sort of awe-inspired by his absolute brilliance in a field I'll readily admit to having no clue about. He's definitely one of the living legends in science right now (Hawking, Dawkins, Wallace, and others).

And as for the ignore thing: :p
 
perdita said:
Joe, Mab, Luc: would you please fucking take these arguments somewhere else. Please, I beg you.

Perdita

Well I don't understand. Is this a thread about Steven Hawking or about the tribute he took part in for the Iraqi war dead? Do you want to talk about what a fine person he is or about what he's trying to say?

---dr.M.
 
Originally posted by dr_mabeuse
Well I don't understand. Is this a thread about Steven Hawking or about the tribute he took part in for the Iraqi war dead? Do you want to talk about what a fine person he is or about what he's trying to say?

---dr.M.

I was curious about that, too.

I guess I like Hawking. He... I dunno... rocks?
 
I've read hawking, not just his Breif History of Time either. His intellect is awesome as well as his ability to function so well, given his condition.

I think it says volumes about him personally and proves that just being intelligent or a scientist does not preclude being a careing compassionate person.

Colly
 
Colleen Thomas said:
I think it says volumes about him personally and proves that just being intelligent or a scientist does not preclude being a careing compassionate person.
Thank you, Colly. Mab., anyone, that's all the point I wanted to make. A discussion on the war (Iraq, terrorism, the middle east, drugs, whatever) can go elsewhere (try any of dozens of other threads here). But I'm no moderator so do what you will.

Perdita
 
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