...Have to Admire Mel's Loyalty to Daddy, but yuk!!

[catalina_francisco]

So happy I am not in his shoes, and about to release his film...guess it could work either way, increase box office figures or create a huge boycott.

Movies - AP
Gibson Father: Holocaust Mostly 'Fiction'

Thu Feb 19, 6:02 PM ET


NEW YORK - Days before the release of Mel Gibson (news)'s film about the death of Jesus, which some critics say could fuel anti-Semitism, his father has told an interviewer that the Holocaust was mostly "fiction."


Steve Feuerstein — host of "Speak Your Piece!" — said he interviewed Hutton Gibson for a segment of his show to be broadcast Monday by the small Talkline Communications Network.

According to a transcript released by the network, Hutton Gibson said, "It's all — maybe not all fiction — but most of it is," when asked about his views on the Holocaust.

He added: "They claimed that there were 6.2 million (Jews) in Poland before the war and after the war there were 200,000, therefore he (Hitler) must have killed 6 million of them. They simply got up and left. They were all over the Bronx and Brooklyn and Sydney and Los Angeles."

The interview comes at a sensitive time for Mel Gibson, whose epic "The Passion of the Christ" is due to open Wednesday.

Some Jewish leaders say the movie could fuel anti-Semitism for its portrayal of Jews' role in the crucifixion, while conservative Christians have praised it as a moving depiction of Christ's death.

Gibson, who produced, directed and co-wrote the film, has said repeatedly that he is not anti-Semitic and that the project was a deeply personal expression of his own faith.

Hutton Gibson has an unpublished phone number at his home outside Houston and could not be reached for comment. Alan Nierob, a spokesman for Mel Gibson, declined to comment on the interview.

Hutton Gibson follows a tiny wing of traditionalist Catholicism that views the modernizing reforms of the Second Vatican (news - web sites) Council as a conspiracy between Jews and Masons to take over the church.

The elder Gibson has stirred controversy in previous interviews with remarks on the Holocaust and Judaism, but had kept quiet in the months leading up to the release of "The Passion."

In this latest interview, Gibson said Jews want to take over the world. He did not know why Jews would want to achieve that, but said "it's all about control. They're after one world religion and one world government."

Asked in media interviews whether he shares his father's views, Mel Gibson has said that he loves his father and will not speak against him.

Zev Brenner, owner of Talkline, which he calls a Jewish network, has been calling for a boycott of all of Mel Gibson's movies.

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[Netzach]

I don't admire it in the least. If he can't denounce this more emphatically I assume he shares the viewpoint.

 

[catalina_francisco]

I don't admire it in the least. If he can't denounce this more emphatically I assume he shares the viewpoint.

Given what I have seen of his father when he was resident in Australia, and the family connections and deeply ingrained beliefs, so do I unfortunately......but I bet he is wishing his father had kept his thoughts to himself, at least for now. By admire his loyalty that is more what I meant (and tongue in cheek style sarcasm)....most would be sorely tempted to denounce the views in some form or other whether thay shared them or not..at least he didn't do that...yet.

Catalina

 

[Netzach]

I don't admire the loyalty to Hitler blood and soil that allowed 10 million people to be put to death under a country's nose nor do I admire the filial loyalty of the sons of people who would have everyone think it didn't happen.

Want to see passion, human suffering, redemption and the spilling of innocent blood? Stay home and rent The Pianist.

 

[catalina_francisco]

I don't admire the loyalty to Hitler blood and soil that allowed 10 million people to be put to death under a country's nose nor do I admire the filial loyalty of the sons of people who would have everyone think it didn't happen.

Nor do I which is why I posted it in the first place...make sense? Seems unbelieveable there are still people willing to try and sell this propaganda...and sadder still some will listen and believe it.

Catalina

 

[KarenAM]

I'm going to skip the film. The last time I went to a controversial movie about Jesus, I had to endure "The Last Temptation of Christ", which bored me to tears. If I want the story, I've got a perfectly good Bible on my bookshelf.

And Mel's daddy? That's just pitiful and sad.

 

[Johnny Mayberry]

Have we banned Catholicism yet? No? Then we have no one to blame but ourselves.

 

[WriterDom]

Friday, Feb. 20, 2004
Gibson's Family: Father Tricked Into Interview

When Mel Gibson's 85-year-old father, Hutton, told a New York radio interviewer Wednesday that the Holocaust had been exaggerated and that Jews were trying to rule the world, he had no idea he was speaking on the record, let alone being recorded for broadcast, Gibson family sources tell/

Typical liberal smear tactics. I'm sure you could find someone in my family to say something embarrassing.

 

[Netzach]

Typical journalism. There's no such thing as off the record. I'm sure my family would say plenty of racist things, and you know what?

I'd happily discuss the total unacceptability of such statements at length in public, wherever they are coming from.

But you know, liberal Jew controlled media, all that, typical.

 

[Johnny Mayberry]

LOL@ "liberal media"

 

[Guest]

I don't admire it in the least. If he can't denounce this more emphatically I assume he shares the viewpoint.

Why?

 

[Netzach]

There are just some things that are sacred cows because they are sacred.

10 million non-combatants were killed by the German government during the 40s in an effort to maintain German ideas of racial purity, 6 of the 10 were Jewish or had Jewish ancestry. When someone calls this a distortion of the Jew-controlled media we're that much closer to a repeat performance.

If you don't have the balls to say that holocaust denial is unacceptable, whether your best friend, father, or little baby sister espouses the insane and dangerous notion, you are part of the problem on some level. If you disagree and feel compelled to stay in the closet about it, I find that potentially even more reprehansible than agreeing.

 

[Guest]

There are just some things that are sacred cows because they are sacred.

10 million non-combatants were killed by the German government during the 40s in an effort to maintain German ideas of racial purity, 6 of the 10 were Jewish or had Jewish ancestry. When someone calls this a distortion of the Jew-controlled media we're that much closer to a repeat performance.

If you don't have the balls to say that holocaust denial is unacceptable, whether your best friend, father, or little baby sister espouses the insane and dangerous notion, you are part of the problem on some level. If you disagree and feel compelled to stay in the closet about it, I find that potentially even more reprehansible than agreeing.

Funny, I have the balls to do or say pretty much anything I feel necessary. But I find no problem with Mr. Gibsons desire not to comment negatively on his father.
It has always been my impression that the younger Gibson had very conrete ideas about family, both immediate and otherwise. This would seem to be consistant with that impression.
The nature of the elder Gibsons statement doesn't change this.
Perhaps that is a place where we will disagree. I find Mel Gibson's refusal to comment on his father rather refreshing, for something that is a reflection of what is considered to be an "outdated" attitude.
Remember, my question was not about the facts of Holocaust history, but rather why you assume that he shares a certain attitude.

 

[AngelicAssassin]

... But I find no problem with Mr. Gibsons desire not to comment negatively on his father ... I find Mel Gibson's refusal to comment on his father rather refreshing, for something that is a reflection of what is considered to be an "outdated" attitude.
Remember, my question was not about the facts of Holocaust history, but rather why you assume that he shares a certain attitude.

Easy bro. The Holocaust will cause a huge debate whenever it raises its ugly head. i understand honoring your father by not speaking against him, publically or privately. That doesn't mean, however, the acorn falls close to the oak. Mel got put between a rock and a hard place. He did the best he could do in this case ... go mute.

i understand too, many Jews, in both Israel and abroad have stated, or been taught by their parents, "Never again." They have a vested interest in attacking the smallest hint of the Holocaust's denial as a first step of it ever happening again.

 

[Netzach]

Unfortunately falling silent while those you admire would see "those people" marched off and shot is not an outdated and charming attitude, but fresh and alive, as is saying nothing when your parent call truth propoganda.

Ask a Bosnian.

I find myself speaking in big absolute dramatic ways on this subject because it's just too important to be quaint about.

 

[Netzach]

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[Guest]

I have long been fascinated with history, though my dislike of poverty and boredom prevents my return to formal study.
ANd the one distinguishing factor that re-occurs is that human history, and the people that made it, are/were bloody, brutal, cruel, and have had little or no regard for human life.

We are, I guess fortunate isn't the word, because the change isn't done yet, to live in an era where a large chunk of the worlds population is willing to publicly say "This is WRONG."
Not all, but many.
And it continually surprises people in the west, when large chunks of the worlds poulation are still perfectly willing to comit genocide.

Yes
Ask a Bosnian.
Or an Armenian.
Or an American Indian.
or a, or a, or a,
Or even the entire population of a town that Richard the Lionhearted had slaughtered because they were "inconvenient".

In fact, be as dramatic as you wish.
You would be hard put to exceed the reality with the worst exagerations.

But I will still contest that there is no space to draw a conclusion regarding Mel Gisons beliefs, and that it is wrong to do so.
And if someone were to say the same thing about you, I would say the same to them.

 

[thegreenfairy]

Props to Netzach.

I'm pretty unimpressed with Gibson - he didn't even get the language right. Nobody spoke Latin! They were speaking Greek (and Aramaic, which he got right). The issue isn't with Catholicism though... his movie is against thedecisons of the Second Vatican Council, which absolved Jews of the death of Jesus. Since the decisions of that council were formally announced by the Pope... they are considered binding to Catholics. Gibson is part of a very fringy group of Catholics that ignores this council.

 

[AngelicAssassin]

... his movie is against the decisons of the Second Vatican Council, which absolved Jews of the death of Jesus ...

alright, and considering the event occurred almost 2000 years ago, and pretty much had to happen for (in the Catholic's point of view) the absolution of Adam and Eve ... never mind. Theology amuses me.