Have they found aliens?

KRCummings

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Interesting story here. I thought so anyway. I'm sure it's probably gonna end up being something else but you never know.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/TECH/science/06/02/red.rain/index.html

(PopSci.com) -- As bizarre as it may seem, the sample jars brimming with cloudy, reddish rainwater in Godfrey Louis's laboratory in southern India may hold, well, aliens.

In April, Louis, a solid-state physicist at Mahatma Gandhi University, published a paper in the prestigious peer-reviewed journal Astrophysics and Space Science in which he hypothesizes that the samples -- water taken from the mysterious blood-colored showers that fell sporadically across Louis's home state of Kerala in the summer of 2001 -- contain microbes from outer space.

Specifically, Louis has isolated strange, thick-walled, red-tinted cell-like structures about 10 microns in size. Stranger still, dozens of his experiments suggest that the particles may lack DNA yet still reproduce plentifully, even in water superheated to nearly 600 degrees Fahrenheit . (The known upper limit for life in water is about 250 degrees Fahrenheit .)

So how to explain them? Louis speculates that the particles could be extraterrestrial bacteria adapted to the harsh conditions of space and that the microbes hitched a ride on a comet or meteorite that later broke apart in the upper atmosphere and mixed with rain clouds above India.

If his theory proves correct, the cells would be the first confirmed evidence of alien life and, as such, could yield tantalizing new clues to the origins of life on Earth.

Last winter, Louis sent some of his samples to astronomer Chandra Wickramasinghe and his colleagues at Cardiff University in Wales, who are now attempting to replicate his experiments; Wickramasinghe expects to publish his initial findings later this year.

Meanwhile, more down-to-earth theories abound. One Indian government investigation conducted in 2001 lays blame for what some have called the "blood rains" on algae.

Other theories have implicated fungal spores, red dust swept up from the Arabian peninsula, even a fine mist of blood cells produced by a meteor striking a high-flying flock of bats.

Louis and his colleagues dismiss all these theories, pointing to the fact that both algae and fungus possess DNA and that blood cells have thin walls and die quickly when exposed to water and air.

More important, they argue, blood cells don't replicate. "We've already got some stunning pictures -- transmission electron micrographs -- of these cells sliced in the middle," Wickramasinghe says. "We see them budding, with little daughter cells inside the big cells."

Louis's theory holds special appeal for Wickramasinghe. A quarter of a century ago, he co-authored the modern theory of panspermia, which posits that bacteria-riddled space rocks seeded life on Earth.

"If it's true that life was introduced by comets four billion years ago," the astronomer says, "one would expect that microorganisms are still injected into our environment from time to time. This could be one of those events."

The next significant step, explains University of Sheffield microbiologist Milton Wainwright, who is part of another British team now studying Louis's samples, is to confirm whether the cells truly lack DNA. So far, one preliminary DNA test has come back positive.

"Life as we know it must contain DNA, or it's not life," he says. "But even if this organism proves to be an anomaly, the absence of DNA wouldn't necessarily mean it's extraterrestrial."

Louis and Wickramasinghe are planning further experiments to test the cells for specific carbon isotopes. If the results fall outside the norms for life on Earth, it would be powerful new evidence for Louis's idea, of which even Louis himself remains skeptical.
 
Sounds Liberal to me....or was that Southern Baptist Right Wing.....Left Middle Conservative....Communist........Penquin.
 
I actually wish it was aliens. It would be interesting to hear all the stories from religious folk explaining how that works into their beliefs.
 
Krak Monkey said:
I actually wish it was aliens. It would be interesting to hear all the stories from religious folk explaining how that works into their beliefs.
Alien life and religion are not mutually exclusive. No reason why one would nullify the other.
 
hogjack said:
Aliens are fucking green.

Everyone knows THAT!


That's the gooey stuff that comes out of those bubble gum machines.
 
KRCummings said:
Hmmm, good point.

And never forget the antenae and those big eyes.

Sure, most of 'em have hats on - weak disguises - but no sunglasses can completely hide those eyes.
 
KRCummings said:
(PopSci.com) -- As bizarre as it may seem, the sample jars brimming with cloudy, reddish rainwater in Godfrey Louis's laboratory in southern India may hold, well, aliens.

In April, Louis, a solid-state physicist at Mahatma Gandhi University, published a paper in the prestigious peer-reviewed journal Astrophysics and Space Science in which he hypothesizes that the samples -- water taken from the mysterious blood-colored showers that fell sporadically across Louis's home state of Kerala in the summer of 2001 -- contain microbes from outer space.

Specifically, Louis has isolated strange, thick-walled, red-tinted cell-like structures about 10 microns in size. Stranger still, dozens of his experiments suggest that the particles may lack DNA yet still reproduce plentifully, even in water superheated to nearly 600 degrees Fahrenheit . (The known upper limit for life in water is about 250 degrees Fahrenheit .)
As someone who has read The Andromeda Strain, this is scary.
 
MechaBlade said:
As someone who has read The Andromeda Strain, this is scary.
I thought of that when I read it. An alien virus could be much more devastating than any conventional attack and would probably even be unintentional. We may never even know what hit us.
 
KRCummings said:
I thought of that when I read it. An alien virus could be much more devastating than any conventional attack and would probably even be unintentional. We may never even know what hit us.

That's a possibility but it could also be that an alien virus might be completely incompatible with our biology and have no effect on us whatsoever.
 
saldne said:
That's the gooey stuff that comes out of those bubble gum machines.

The way you say 'gooey stuff'.

Now I'm distracted. What are we talking about again?
 
caela said:
That's a possibility but it could also be that an alien virus might be completely incompatible with our biology and have no effect on us whatsoever.

Sure.

Tell that to all the pod-people born in the 1970s.
 
I thought alians were rode around in flying saucers, not space rocks, must be kinda hard to kidnape people and run funny test on them in a comet. Ramdom thought do you think there will be a major reaction in the world population if the fact of life off of earth is true? Or do you think it will be swept into the cornor of our thoughts and not given a second glance?
 
oddity83 said:
I thought alians were rode around in flying saucers, not space rocks, must be kinda hard to kidnape people and run funny test on them in a comet. Ramdom thought do you think there will be a major reaction in the world population if the fact of life off of earth is true? Or do you think it will be swept into the cornor of our thoughts and not given a second glance?
Most people already believe in life somewhere else. Something as simple as a bacteria or something similar would have little impact on the average person and they probably wouldn't give it too much thought. It would give the likes of NASA and others the ability to ask for more money and concentrate more on the search though and that would be good. Well, at least it would be cool.
 
MechaBlade said:
As someone who has read The Andromeda Strain, this is scary.

Actually I dont think so. An organism that has evolved in a completely different enviornment (re temperature, sunlight availability, moisture variation etc) is very unlikely to be able to disrupt earthly life as it would simply too 'out of mode."

What chance would there be of a resident of a mountain villiage in Borneo coming to Washington and grabbing the presidency from Bush?

Fear is just the unknown and our vulnerability to it.

Also KRC: Sorry about the Sims thing - I just dont have a clue.
 
shoulderblade said:
Actually I dont think so. An organism that has evolved in a completely different enviornment (re temperature, sunlight availability, moisture variation etc) is very unlikely to be able to disrupt earthly life as it would simply too 'out of mode."

What chance would there be of a resident of a mountain villiage in Borneo coming to Washington and grabbing the presidency from Bush?

Fear is just the unknown and our vulnerability to it.

Also KRC: Sorry about the Sims thing - I just dont have a clue.
Our own viruses are able to adapt and change according to environment, challenges, immunity, etc. An alien virus could do the same.
 
KRCummings said:
Our own viruses are able to adapt and change according to environment, challenges, immunity, etc. An alien virus could do the same.

I agree with KRC. We may already have been invaded by alien viruses.
 
KRCummings said:
Our own viruses are able to adapt and change according to environment, challenges, immunity, etc. An alien virus could do the same.

You're right an alien virus could mutate however it would likely take it MUCH longer to do so than one of our own native viruses. After all our native viruses are already designed to be able to effect our bodies and their mutations simply tend to make them more virulent or drug resistent. An alien virus would have to manage to mutate in such a way as to make it compatable not just with our planet but with our physiology as well.

Unless an alien designed the virus to be pathogenic to humans it's not likely we would have much to worry about. After all something like only 5% of our own native viruses and bacteria can actually make us sick so that doesn't hold out much hope for an alien virus or bacteria.
 
caela said:
You're right an alien virus could mutate however it would likely take it MUCH longer to do so than one of our own native viruses. After all our native viruses are already designed to be able to effect our bodies and their mutations simply tend to make them more virulent or drug resistent. An alien virus would have to manage to mutate in such a way as to make it compatable not just with our planet but with our physiology as well.

Unless an alien designed the virus to be pathogenic to humans it's not likely we would have much to worry about. After all something like only 5% of our own native viruses and bacteria can actually make us sick so that doesn't hold out much hope for an alien virus or bacteria.

Would agree with this. Also consider that mechanisms the alien virus has, such as withstanding high temp.,are useless here. A certain amount of struture has been devoted toward useless goals. Not very effective if you are only a virus.

Also - a not very likely explanation of red rain - even a fine mist of blood cells produced by a meteor striking a high-flying flock of bats. Who would have the nerve to suggest this?

Anyhow, good post KRC, this is a very interesting story and I must admit I missed it. Post againg if any thing develops. I will keep my eye open.
 
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