Hatred

CharleyH said:
Does it have a place in erotica?


Depends on the author Charlus and to a lesser degree on the genre. Tatelou could do erotic horror, wehre there was hatred, but still make the horror scary and the sex sexy. Doc M, has shown the same capablity.

In some genres, Nonconscent, mind control, etc. It's a valid motivator to action, thus it drives plot and has to be acounted to have a place.

In others, it can be an ancillary driving force for plot developement.

It depends really on how you write your porn :)
 
CharleyH said:
Does it have a place in erotica?
It might. Passion is passion is passion. It's energy that can be directed in any direction by a skilled enough writer, I believe.

Are you the fishy wine that will give me
a headache in the morning,
or just a dark blue land mine
that’ll explode without a decent warning?
Give me all your true hate
and I’ll translate it in our bed
into never seen passion,
that is why I am so mad about you.


From 'Mad About You' by Hooverphonic
 
Colleen Thomas said:
Depends on the author Charlus and to a lesser degree on the genre. Tatelou could do erotic horror, wehre there was hatred, but still make the horror scary and the sex sexy. Doc M, has shown the same capablity.

In some genres, Nonconscent, mind control, etc. It's a valid motivator to action, thus it drives plot and has to be acounted to have a place.

In others, it can be an ancillary driving force for plot developement.

It depends really on how you write your porn :)

Hate is certainly valid, but will it always have a horror aspect? I think hate encompasses guilt and vindictiveness, loss of respect and mistrust. I suppose the question is can a person write a fuck story and make it sexy even if the end is a break up?
 
There is rather a lot of hatred in the revenge stories in the extreme BDSM genre.

There is a fine line between hate and love? Rather like between genius and madness.
 
It is a quite classic concept

CATULLUS . Carmina. Odi et amo (LXXXV)


Odi et amo. Quare id faciam, fortasse requiris.
Nescio, sed fieri sentio et excrucior.

:rose:
 
Of course there is a place for hatred.
We all feel it at some time in our lives. Surely our characters must feel it too, at some time.
 
CharleyH said:
Hate is certainly valid, but will it always have a horror aspect? I think hate encompasses guilt and vindictiveness, loss of respect and mistrust. I suppose the question is can a person write a fuck story and make it sexy even if the end is a break up?


I believe you can, if you're skillful. As long as the hatred is something you can explain and the consequences of it are logical, I see no reason it can't be a motivator.
 
Colleen Thomas said:
I believe you can, if you're skillful. As long as the hatred is something you can explain and the consequences of it are logical, I see no reason it can't be a motivator.

Is not hate a motivating fact of sex sometimes? :)

Why explain a slice of life in a story? Why explain at all? ;)
 
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Hatred is just one of the many emotions that we experience as human beings. It fits everywhere, I think.
 
Aurora Black said:
Hatred is just one of the many emotions that we experience as human beings. It fits everywhere, I think.

Great answer. How do you write it?

:D
 
CharleyH said:
Does it have a place in erotica?

I guess it could possibly be incorporated into certain categories, depending on what one considers erotica...non-consent stories, for instance.
 
So far, the assumption seems to be that the hatred is for at least one of the people having sex. The hatred does not have to be for either of the people having sex. It could, for instance, be directed at the current lover of one of the people who are to have sex. Then the sex could be non-consent, consent after the pawn of the eliminated lover is free or any number of other situations.

Trust me, women are turned on by the violence that often follows hatred. Women are genetically bound to desire the victorious male after violence. The victorious male can protect a child. The loser, is a loser.
 
pop_54 said:
Yes dear!

There you are again, you old reporobate. All this popping in and out, one would think you were 'in training'. ;) [/end hijack]

:kiss: :kiss:
 
Several of my stories involve hatred, both for one of the sex partners and for others.

I have a number of NC/reluctance stories like that. It just depends, like the others have said. In several cases, the hate turns to lust or love or something else. Penny, in my "Hank" series, falls for her new Domme, even though she originally didn't care for her at all. She was blackmailed into bondage by her estranged hubby Hank, who was about to leave her for his new lover Sally and her best friend Yasmin. And there is hate on his part toward her, since his affairs were initially revenge for her denial of his needs and her lengthy affair with the pastor of her church.
 
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Yes.

But only if one takes it as...

a) Erotica is representative of actual sexual desires and practices.
b) Feelings of violence or aversion or hatred are sexually desirous or part of sexual practice for real people.
c) To subtract parts of Erotica is to lessen the definitive whole.
d) Erotica must include hatred, in part and circumstantially.
 
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