Hateful Sex... Story Ideas Needed

[McKenna]

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[A7inchPhildo]

What the fuck is wrong with you McKenna! What kind of lame question is that? You come here looking for stupid ideas. I can't imagine how any normal person could respond to such a querry. I'll give you a piece of my mind where do you want it! Bend over and I will give it to you hard.

Nice ass you wanna fuck now to get some of that pent up frustration out?

Knuffle

Yea you can fuck n' hate some one and want to fuck thier brains out even more.

Sorry that was the best way I knew how to respond to your question. Really I did not think it was a stupid question just difficult to respond to.

It does not need to be a power struggle, sometimes you can despise a person for actions but lust to be what they are or represent. Then again it could be just a physical turn on nothing more.

Phildo

 

[McKenna]

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[handlebars69]

Yea you can fuck n' hate some one and want to fuck thier brains out even more.

if someone hadnt already said it, i would have..... thanks phil.


what if he hates her just cuz shes a bitch, or maybe they're coworkers in competition with each other..... high school classmates, who for some reason hated each other and now the attraction has come forward, maybe one wasnt popoular and the other was..... i dunno, you can go many ways with that one.... perhaps ill write a story of my own, or just read yours

 

[McKenna]

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[TheFrenchGuy]

I have (fortunately ?) never been involved in such an situation. However I agree with handlebars because all I can think of is a sort of struggling between the (so-called) lovers. Getting the other to have sex could be a sort of victory or power assessment on that person ("I got you !!").

A twist here could be that having sex is the matter of a bet. Two co-workers make a bet that one of them, very underesteemed by her boss, will succeed in having sex with her, although she's a total bitch (maybe she hates men, who knows...).

My guess is, the very start of that story depends on the subject of the hatred. But it takes a lot of imagination to define how a mother would have sex with the man who kill her daughter, for instance.

My two cents is not quite worth one, I guess... but I hope it will help...

TheFrenchGuy

 

[flawed_ethics]

I wrote (and completed!) a story like this once. Guy gets passed up for promotion from middle-age, female boss. Drinking with co-workers that weekend, he happens across his boss. Still sour from being overlooked, he just plays the content guy as the night wears on. Later on, she's ineberated and trying to chum it up with him. Having drank a bit himself, he has his fill and starts to tell her off. They take their argument outside. I forget how, but they end up in his car and in a bitter rage, end up fucking in the back seat. The whole time they're insulting each other - it's really ackward.

If you don't mind me asking McKenna - how do you make the whole episode erotic? In my mind it plays out perfectly - but in writting, it doesn't quite strike a chord. The reader would have to be in the exact mindset to get into it. Otherwise, it would just come off as strange. (Or, maybe it's just my sub-par writting talent)

 

[McKenna]

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[McKenna]

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[Colleen Thomas]

There is a pretty good line between love and Lust. Stay with that. Anyone, especially someone who has a "type" can be attracted to someone they otherwise despise. The "grudgefuck" is well ensconed within the lore of adolescent males. Sex can occur without deep emotional attachement and it can occur with deep emotional attachment. Hate is a deep emotion and is closer to love than it is farther away. As long as either participant stays focused on theirownplasure and tries to minimize that of their partner you should do just fine.

-Colly

 

[handlebars69]

I wasn't questioning if it was possible, handlebars. I'm already positive it is. I'm just curious to hear about more real-life experiences, and the "why" behind such a scenario. Can you add anything enlightening?

i thought those were pretty real life scenarios, for instance, i wasnt to popular in high school, but had a crush on someone who was, well she didnt like me like that and instead of politely saying no she became a bitch about everything.... if i had the chance, id fuck her, just to get back at her. bam, hateful sex.... or how abaout my fist, for fucking and leaving me, id still fuck him but there would be plenty of hate involved, i actually have somewhat of a relationship based on hate sex now..... and the why, because a lot of times its better that way

 

[A7inchPhildo]

Re: !!!

Thanks Phildo, I had a good laugh after the initial shock wore off!

I wanted to address something you said: "You can despise a person for actions but lust to be what they are or represent."

In the scenario I described above, what do you think his motivation is? (I'm the author, I suppose I could make it anything I wanted it to be, but I'd like a male perspective on this, if you please...) Does he hate the fact that she's beautiful and available while he is most-definitely not available? Is that plausible? Does she represent something to him? Freedom?!

Mckenna Here is a little piece of my never ending tale. [laughs] It has an end, just I have been working on it now for almost 6 months.
In the middle there is a short scene of a really sexy female wife. Who has become nothing but a piece of shit in the eyes of the husband.

The story is not about loving wives stuff it is really a romance story. Believe it or not! In this case he hates his wife so much he wants to fuck her good bye. (below)

You don't need a reason to hate. It makes it easier if you can define the origin of the hate. Sometimes over many years things inter twine and for no apparent reason you just do not like someone. This does not blind the person from noticing a cute ass.

Or you could hate out of envy, but that is really a different kind of hate. This would not be the same personal intimate feelings as one person may very well be unaware of the problem. While the other burns inside with seething anger.

Then there is the repugnant - offensive to the mind; "an abhorrent deed"morally repugnant customs"; "repulsive behavior"; "the most repulsive character in recent novels"

The offensive kind of hate that can not be ignored, and in some way is attractive because it is so out of ones normal bounds.

This makes your question difficult. What kind of hate are you trying to express?
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I stroke my cock squeezing the base to make it erect. I place my legs to each side of her ass the soft skin touching my inner thigh. Taking a big mouth full of saliva, I dripped it down to the crevice of her ass.

She tries to roll but I have her pinned. She is saying, “Now why the hell did you have to do that?”

Responding I say to her, “Needed to make sure it was lubed for this big cock of mine.”

She says, “It is fucking lubed just do your business! I have things to do; I don’t have time for this right now!”

I thrust my cock into her well opened hole. She was correct it was well lubed. I grabbed her wrists and pulled them behind her in a policeman’s hold. I began my assault on her pussy. Holding her hands with one hand I fingered her anus with my other. She protested at first then succumbed as she moaned lightly not allowing me the pleasure of getting her off.

Thrusting in and out I soon was ready to cum. I removed my fingers from her ass and leaning over her I stuck my fingers in her face. Whispering in her ear, “I want you to eat shit.”

Bucking furiously under me, I almost lost grasp of her hands. I stabbed her pussy with my cock as she stated colorful metaphors to me.

Leaning back I ask her, “So, tell your husband, just how many cocks does this pretty little pussy fuck in a single week?” She fell silent “I want a fucking answer whore!” I slammed her hard as I came shaking out of anger and exhaustion.

Still holding her hands behind the back grasping her hair I said, “I am sorry to inconvenience you to have sex after you just fucked my friend earlier today. I can see why you would not be in the mood. Being the person I am, I wanted to make sure you received your good bye fuck personally?” With that I stood up sweaty and pissed, walked over to the window. Then I wiped the nasty shit off my dick on her yellow curtains.

She watched with her eyes afraid to move.

 

[Stardog Champion]

Fucking someone you just can't stand....from a guy's perspective it can easily be done...

Now making love to someone...thats different..it entails that you feel some level of caring and appreciation for the other person..but the primal act of satisfying your own lust..its as simple as inserting slot A into an attractive slot B.

Guess the closest life experience I can relate is during college....I'm about as far away as one could be from the typical Frat/Sorority type of lifestyle and mindset but while in school many of the attractive girls were in sororities and I did fool around with a few ...the sex was generally OK but to be totally honest (and not to stereotype because I'm sure there are thousands upon thousands of sorority girls out there that are a joy to be around) but I hated trying to make conversation with most of ones I knew and when it came down to it I didn't want aything more from them than the satisfacton I got.

Along those same lines..talking about hate-fucks...some of the best sex I've ever had has been with girlfriends over the years right after we have a fight..you know when there's still that built up bitterness from whatever the argument was over and you have all that love and hate for the other person swirling around your pysche while your bodies are crashing together.....

Stardog

 

[TheFrenchGuy]

There is a pretty good line between love and Lust. Stay with that. Anyone, especially someone who has a "type" can be attracted to someone they otherwise despise. The "grudgefuck" is well ensconed within the lore of adolescent males. Sex can occur without deep emotional attachement and it can occur with deep emotional attachment. Hate is a deep emotion and is closer to love than it is farther away. As long as either participant stays focused on theirownplasure and tries to minimize that of their partner you should do just fine.

-Colly

I don't quite agree with you about the focus. When you hate someone and have sex with him/her, you don't want to show your pleasure. Moreover, you'd want him/her to have pleasure despite the (shared) hatred. Hate somehow calls for revenge. I can't imagine two people having sex without any pleasure on any side. I don't call this hatred, I call this boring...

But okay, after some thinking, you could see it from a selfish point of view, use your partner as a fuck toy...

The twist, if there's a need for it, could be that despite the hatred, they have the sex of their lives with one another...

There seems to be more possibilities than it looks in the first place...

TheFrenchGuy

PS : Phil, your story speaks for itself. Jealousy is a good motive for hatred.

 

[wishfulthinking]

I like the idea, and really think it could work. As a reader, I would be interested in seeing an underlying wit or humour to the verbal sparks that fly between them as they rip each others clothes off or what have you. However, and it is only my view, I would be turned off instantly if I thought one of them was married. Two co-workers fighting for a promotion, Boss, or the bitch idea I like much more.

Goodluck, WT

 

[McKenna]

Excerpt

What I'm trying to explore here, or the "type" of hate sex, is sex between two people who are attracted to one another, but aren't too happy about it either. For the man, it's the thought of his marriage and his inability to fight the attraction he feels for a woman who isn't his wife that causes the hatred to fester, for the woman, it's the simple fact that he's a jerk.

Here is a small excerpt. I'm most concerned with it being plausible. It it's not, then there's really no point in finishing the tale.

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She opened the door of a bedroom being used as a coat room, only to find him standing there, sorting through the coats on the bed.

“Oh, hello,” she said, faintly surprised to see him there.

He looked her way and grunted some kind of a response. Asshole, she thought. Suddenly she was struck with an impish idea; why not seduce the bastard then leave him hard and horny? His very attitude had been begging for it all night, and she was just the imp to accomodate him. She sidled up beside him and started searching through the pile of coats on the bed.

"Have you seen a black one?” she asked.

He turned to her and lifted an eyebrow, “They’re all black.”

“So they are.” She noticed he took a step away, so she countered by stepping closer. She was rewarded with a deep sigh and agitated movements as he sorted through the coats, though this time, he didn’t step away. She smiled. This was going to be more fun than she thought.

“Where’s wifey?” she asked, deliberately bitchy.

“I sent her home in a taxi. Look, wouldn’t it work better if you sorted the pile on the other side of the bed?”

She stopped and turned to him. He lifted an eyebrow in question and did his best to stare derisively. She ignored his sardonic expression and asked, “Tell me, would your wife approve of you being all alone in a bedroom with an attractive woman?”

He struck in an instant, so fast she had no time to react; his hands came up to grip her upper arms tightly as he drew her closer. Their faces were almost touching and she could see how agitated he was by the slight flaring of his nostrils. “Look,” he began, his breath fanning out across her face, “I could have you here on this bed spread-eagled and begging before you knew what the hell hit you. So stop playing games and just ...get ...the...hell…out.” The last was said between gritted teeth. Sarah could tell his control was slipping. She smiled.

“Right, why don’t we just stop playing games? How ‘bout we just fuck like adults and get it over with.”

He pushed her away roughly and drew a hand through his hair. “What the fuck is wrong with you lady?! I’m a married man!”

Sarah lifted an eyebrow as if to say, “So?”

“I despise women like you.”

That did it. His words struck a nerve and all pretense of impishness retreated. “Women like me? Let me guess Mr. Cane, women who are more attractive that your wife? Women who hold more sex appeal than the thimble-full Mrs. Cane holds? Women who make you hard just by looking at them?” With each uttered sentence Sarah came a step closer, anger punctuating her words. “Well let me tell you something, Mr. Cane. I despise men like you, men who get pissy with women like me just because I have more to offer than your beloved wife. Men who take out their anger and frustration at being attracted to a woman who isn’t their wife on the very women to whom they are attracted. Women, I might add, who've done nothing to deserve the abuse by men ... just ...like ...you.” She stopped directly before him, more than a little worked up and angry. She itched to slap him. Instead she turned on her heel and made to leave.

What prevented her from escaping was the vise-like grip on her arm and the tug that brought her around and colliding into the solid wall of Matthew Cane’s chest. In the next instant he was kissing her, his lips rough and searing, as if conveying his anger and lust in one fell swoop. Sarah pushed against his chest with her hands, but he didn’t release her for several seconds. When finally he did, she leaned back to meet his eyes with her own. “Fuck you,” she whispered, and started struggling again. He hauled her closer still and started grabbing her ass, pressing his lips to hers in another hungry, wet kiss.

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Right, so, plausibility rating on a scale from 1-5 with 5 being the most plausible?

 

[Black Tulip]

McKenna,

Seems you are still waiting for a female input.

You can have great sex with a guy you despise.
Probably the hate is no more than skin deep. Partly maybe because he is so damn sexy even if you think he is an asshole.

I had a fiancee like that. I did not marry him (thank God), but every time I ran into him I still wanted to fuck with him.

 

[A7inchPhildo]

Nice Av BT down on your knees in a cold way.

McKenna,

Your piece shows a different light than what I was thinking. The word hate really has a different definition. You are exposing a type of despise but layered in bitter sweet romance.

When I think of hate I picture a different flavor alltogether leaving the sex to an animalistic lust. I would be blocked too if I was trying to write what you have in a form of hate.

When I was younger the girls I really liked I would tease unmerciful in a strange affection. What you have here is a teasing as neither one of them hate the other but are quick tongued to lay accusations the other is intrested not moi.

As both are intrested though, then it is very hard to change the thought into a hate. Nothing wrong with holding the story with outward disapproval and inward wants. That is like a grey area in the definition of hate. Just wording it differently might help considerably with the block.

Yea the situation works but really lacks a little more build up (playing hard to get). As with most convincing stories you are going to need some detail in explanations of inner emotions/feelings. As well as facial/ body gestures.

I know what you are trying to express. But I am reading this in a thread based on this theme.

 

[McKenna]

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[TheFrenchGuy]

My rating

My plausibility rating would be 5, no doubt. I'll be waiting for the post !

 

[handlebars69]

a female with input

 

[handlebars69]

yup

 

[Sadie_Maso]

posting issues...ugh.

 

[Sadie_Maso]

for whatever reason, it's only posting the first couple of lines of what I've written...hopefully it will work this time.

I have an ex who I occassionally hatefuck.
It's hard to explain without the history (which is long), but...
I do it because I love the power I have over him. It was a difficult/semi-abusive relationship, and while I'm basically over it, it still vindicates me after a couple of years of feeling powerless w/ regards to the situation. I eventually realized that I have the upper hand, and really always did...He'd felt very threatened by the power I had, and did what he could to neutralize it - while it messed me up for a while (hence the feelings of powerlessness before), it didn't work in the end. I enjoy torturing him with all of this; it's a perfectly fitting punishment.
I'll feel his anger when he's being rough with me, but I'm forever stoic, completely impenetrable, physically enacting the power of "you-can't-affect-me", and getting off on the fact that I can arouse that kind of feeling in him, because I want him to suffer.
(which makes the situation all the more paradoxical, because while in action, he's very much the top, me the bottom [in the SM sense], the tenor of it is completely reversed)

None of that really means much without explaining how/why that power dynamic exists, and likewise, I'd say the difficulty in writing a story about this sort of thing is the buildup I'd think it would require. What's the motive for the anger/hate? It's very important for the story, but it can be a bit long and difficult to make interesting in this context. I'm sure it's possible, though.

I don't know if that helps you at all, but there's my experience for what it's worth.

 

[handlebars69]

geeze.... sound like me and my ex