Hate and Bigotry

[gotsnowgotslush]

"Our perspective is that hate and bigotry wrapped in religious freedom is still hate and bigotry."

Todd Adams, the associate general minister and vice president
of the Indianapolis-based denomination, Disciples of Christ

http://www.indystar.com/story/news/...nvention-due-religious-freedom-bill/70432180/

 

[gotsnowgotslush]

March 25, 2015

On Tuesday, Sen. James Inhofe (R-OK) offered an amendment to the Congressional budget that could force the federal government to maintain contracts with organizations that do not treat their gay employees equally.

"...an amendment introduced in the Senate as a last ditch effort to undermine marriage equality."

"Introduced by Senator Jim Inhofe (R-OK), the anti-LGBT amendment would endorse the idea that businesses and organizations should be allowed to use taxpayer funds to discriminate against married same-sex couples."

http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2015/03/25/3638630/inhofe-discrimination-amendment/

 

[gotsnowgotslush]

News > Houston & Texas
Southern Poverty Law Center's 'Hate Map' identifies Texas groups
March 24, 2015

"In addition to the big three, there are a number of smaller churches and political organizations that reportedly espouse hateful beliefs, including anti-LGBT and neo-Confederate views."


http://www.chron.com/news/houston-t...w-Center-s-Hate-Map-6155900.php#photo-7708267


The Southern Poverty Law Center counted 784 active hate groups in the United States in 2014. Only organizations and their chapters known to be active during 2014 are included.

http://www.splcenter.org/hate-map

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Hooray for hate.

 

[RjThoughts]

Indiana, WTF?

Where in the New Testament does it say that Jesus was a homophobic bigot?

 

[NeverEndingMe]

"Our perspective is that hate and bigotry wrapped in religious freedom is still hate and bigotry."

Todd Adams, the associate general minister and vice president
of the Indianapolis-based denomination, Disciples of Christ

http://www.indystar.com/story/news/...nvention-due-religious-freedom-bill/70432180/

clearly, you obama slaves need to be re-educated

 

[gotsnowgotslush]

March 26, 2015

Update: This morning, Gov. Mike Pence signed into law a bill that allows Indiana businesses to turn away gay and lesbian customers in the name of “religious freedom.


http://billmoyers.com/2015/03/23/indiana-expected-pass-bill-legalize-discrimination-lgbt-citizens/

Indiana Senate passes ‘religious freedom’ bill in private (secret?)
March 26, 2015

Indiana Gov. Mike Pence signed the bill during a private ceremony in his Statehouse office just before 10 a.m. Thursday. He was joined by supportive lawmakers, Franciscan monks and nuns, orthodox Jews, and some of the state's most powerful lobbyists on conservative social issues.


The event was closed to the public and the press.


Micah Clark of the American Family Association of Indiana, Curt Smith of the Indiana Family Institute and Eric Miller of Advance America — were among the 70 to 80 guests invited to the private signing.


In a radio interview later in the day, Pence blamed national outrage over the law on the media.




From Indiana Gov. Mike Pence's speech, after he passed the bill into law-

"Last year the Supreme Court of the United States upheld religious liberty in the Hobby Lobby case based on the federal Religious Freedom Restoration Act, but that act does not apply to individual states or local government action.

At present, nineteen states—including our neighbors in Illinois and Kentucky—have adopted Religious Freedom Restoration statutes. And in eleven additional states, the courts have interpreted their constitutions to provide a heightened standard for reviewing government action.


http://www.indystar.com/story/news/...ign-religious-freedom-bill-thursday/70448858/

What will happen, when Indiana is abandoned by people who do not agree with discrimination ?

Salesforce CEO Marc Benioff announced he would no longer send employees or customers to Indiana.

"Today we are canceling all programs that require our customers/employees to travel to Indiana to face discrimination," he tweeted.

Indianapolis mayor Greg Ballard is worried...

Republican Indianapolis Mayor Greg Ballard says passage of the "religious freedom" bill sends the "wrong signal" for the state and city.


http://www.indystar.com/story/news/...ous-freedom-bill-sends-wrong-signal/70433380/

Mar 26, 2015

Now, there’s a new letter from GenCon. This one is addressed to the fans and vendors of the gaming convention that pumps $50 million dollars into the Central Indiana economy.

GenCon responds to RFRA signing


"What does this mean to the future of GenCon ?"

"...sends a message of exclusion."


http://www.nuvo.net/NewsBlog/archives/2015/03/26/gencon-responds-to-rfra-signing

 

[NeverEndingMe]

wow, you are a fucking idiot


so a customer has the right to decide which store to shop at ...

but the business person that is risking their family income, wealth, safety....has no rights.

yeah, you are a union fucktard aka welfare retard

stop being a coward, and start a business

March 26, 2015

Update: This morning, Gov. Mike Pence signed into law a bill that allows Indiana businesses to turn away gay and lesbian customers in the name of “religious freedom.


http://billmoyers.com/2015/03/23/indiana-expected-pass-bill-legalize-discrimination-lgbt-citizens/

Indiana Senate passes ‘religious freedom’ bill in private (secret?)
March 26, 2015

Indiana Gov. Mike Pence signed the bill during a private ceremony in his Statehouse office just before 10 a.m. Thursday. He was joined by supportive lawmakers, Franciscan monks and nuns, orthodox Jews, and some of the state's most powerful lobbyists on conservative social issues.


The event was closed to the public and the press.


Micah Clark of the American Family Association of Indiana, Curt Smith of the Indiana Family Institute and Eric Miller of Advance America — were among the 70 to 80 guests invited to the private signing.


In a radio interview later in the day, Pence blamed national outrage over the law on the media.




From Indiana Gov. Mike Pence's speech, after he passed the bill into law-

"Last year the Supreme Court of the United States upheld religious liberty in the Hobby Lobby case based on the federal Religious Freedom Restoration Act, but that act does not apply to individual states or local government action.

At present, nineteen states—including our neighbors in Illinois and Kentucky—have adopted Religious Freedom Restoration statutes. And in eleven additional states, the courts have interpreted their constitutions to provide a heightened standard for reviewing government action.


http://www.indystar.com/story/news/...ign-religious-freedom-bill-thursday/70448858/

What will happen, when Indiana is abandoned by people who do not agree with discrimination ?

Salesforce CEO Marc Benioff announced he would no longer send employees or customers to Indiana.

"Today we are canceling all programs that require our customers/employees to travel to Indiana to face discrimination," he tweeted.

Indianapolis mayor Greg Ballard is worried...

Republican Indianapolis Mayor Greg Ballard says passage of the "religious freedom" bill sends the "wrong signal" for the state and city.


http://www.indystar.com/story/news/...ous-freedom-bill-sends-wrong-signal/70433380/

Mar 26, 2015

Now, there’s a new letter from GenCon. This one is addressed to the fans and vendors of the gaming convention that pumps $50 million dollars into the Central Indiana economy.

GenCon responds to RFRA signing


"What does this mean to the future of GenCon ?"

"...sends a message of exclusion."


http://www.nuvo.net/NewsBlog/archives/2015/03/26/gencon-responds-to-rfra-signing

 

[gotsnowgotslush]

Arizona, Connecticut, Florida, Illinois, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Missouri, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, Texas and Virginia have Religious Freedom laws on the books.

Alabama and Georgia are seeking to pass similar laws.

MAR 16, 2015

Add Georgia—with Republicans in control of both legislative chambers and the executive—to the list of GOP-led states trying to pass a bill that will expand religious "freedom" at the expense of just about every marginalized group in the country.

These bills, typically called Religious Freedom Restoration Acts (RFRAs), have flourished recently as a backlash to the success of the marriage equality movement.

But the Georgia bill's breathtaking breadth shows why this expansion of religious "freedom"—very much playing off the Supreme Court's ruling in Hobby Lobby last year—will turn into a license to discriminate against anyone (not just LGBT Americans) on the basis of one's religious beliefs.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/...nd-why-it-should-worry-everyone-not-just-gays

Is it legal to threaten to burn down churches for allowing same sex marriages ?


http://m.kfvs12.com/kfvs12/db_349220/contentdetail.htm?contentguid=qffTPnDE

"Any church that accepts this action, should be burned to the ground... The above statement could happen to any church that performs this action... You have been warned churches."

Pastors at Westminster Presbyterian Church, as well as First Presbyterian Church in Cape Girardeau, Jackson, and Perryville said they received a notice in the mail warning them that their church could be burned.

This comes after a decision made last week that allows clergy members of the Presbyterian Church of the United States of America to perform gay marriage ceremonies.

 

[Boxlicker101]

Arizona, Connecticut, Florida, Illinois, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Missouri, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, Texas and Virginia have Religious Freedom laws on the books.

Alabama and Georgia are seeking to pass similar laws.

MAR 16, 2015

Add Georgia—with Republicans in control of both legislative chambers and the executive—to the list of GOP-led states trying to pass a bill that will expand religious "freedom" at the expense of just about every marginalized group in the country.

These bills, typically called Religious Freedom Restoration Acts (RFRAs), have flourished recently as a backlash to the success of the marriage equality movement.

But the Georgia bill's breathtaking breadth shows why this expansion of religious "freedom"—very much playing off the Supreme Court's ruling in Hobby Lobby last year—will turn into a license to discriminate against anyone (not just LGBT Americans) on the basis of one's religious beliefs.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/...nd-why-it-should-worry-everyone-not-just-gays

Is it legal to threaten to burn down churches for allowing same sex marriages ?


http://m.kfvs12.com/kfvs12/db_349220/contentdetail.htm?contentguid=qffTPnDE

"Any church that accepts this action, should be burned to the ground... The above statement could happen to any church that performs this action... You have been warned churches."

Pastors at Westminster Presbyterian Church, as well as First Presbyterian Church in Cape Girardeau, Jackson, and Perryville said they received a notice in the mail warning them that their church could be burned.

This comes after a decision made last week that allows clergy members of the Presbyterian Church of the United States of America to perform gay marriage ceremonies.

The editors of the Daily Kos know, and you should know, such discrimination is contrary to the Civil Rights Act of 1964. That law includes a list of classes of people against whom discrimination is illegal, but sexual orientation is not on that list. Some states do have such laws and include gays and lesbians, but there is no federal law.

There are certain reasonable exceptions to the law, but they are things like saying priests hired by a Catholic church must be Catholics and trucking companies cannot be required to hire blind drivers.

It is highly illegal to threaten to burn down a church and anybody who does such a thing would be guilty of uttering terrorist threats.

CA includes sexual orientation in their version of the Civil Rights Act, and it applies to businesses serving the public. Personally, I have no objection to Adam and Steve forming a marriage contract any more than I would to Adam and Eve and, if I were a caterer or owned some other business that served couples getting married, I would provide services as I would to anyone else. I would do so even if there were no legal requirement.

 

[njlauren]

The problem with this law is that it isn't just about the florist who doesn't want to provide flowers to a wedding or a baker a wedding cake, the wording of that law is such that someone can claim religious objections in active discrimination. For example, a business owner firing an employee who gets married to a same sex partner, a born again Christian jerk off who is a manager at a company and decides to make a gay person's life a living hell. And while the bible thumping losers that represent the GOP are claiming this is about same sex marriage, the reality is it won't have to end with that. Does this mean that a "Christian" can deny access to a woman wearing a hijab into his store? Does this mean a doctor can refuse to help a transgender person in an er because of 'their religious beliefs"? Some of these laws de facto say yes they can, if they claim religious belief.

The real reason this is bad law is the same way it was bad law to allow businesses to discriminate about race, religious belief is simply another kind of belief system, and if we allow that, where does it end? The racial bigots claimed right of free association and to this day people like Rand Paul claim that the civil rights laws were unconstitutional.......

So why is this bad,? Why shouldn't people be allowed to do this? The answer should be pretty evident, but of course it totally goes over the heads of the religious dirtbags and the rednecks. When we set a tone that in the public sphere (businesses are in the public sphere, they are not private homes, they are licensed by the state, they are subject to regulation) that it is okay to discriminate, what you end up with is a society fractured, where that fractionalization is tolerated and supported, you end up with the middle east, or you end up with France for example where their minority populations are dehumanized, segregated, you get internicine warfare, religion versus religion and so forth. The same rednecks who pass crap like this also are the first ones to talk about the middle east and how fucked up it is, but they cannot see that what they advocate is part of the same reason that problems happen there. The US isn't perfect, not by a long shot, we have had problems like Jim Crow, gays haven't always been treated well, but we still avoided so much of the kind of hare and such you see in places like the middle east. Do we want Christian against Christian, Jew against Christian, do we want to use religion as another means to cause fracturing in society, to go backwards?

I actually thought there was a brilliant solution to keeping these laws from being passed. In another state, a legislator faced with one of the pieces of GOP hate, tacked on an amendment. It said that businesses had the right to discriminate against LGBT people based on their religious belief, but it also required that the business had to post a sign on their business, and on things like websites, stating that they reserved the right to not service LGBT people. The law didn't pass, because the religious jerkoffs didn't have the faith of their convictions apparently, they wanted to be able to discriminate against LGBT people but do it in stealth; they realized that a lot of people of good faith who saw that would take their business elsewhere, the way many would if they saw a sign that said "whites only". One of the best ways to take care of bigots is to bring them into the light of day.

I think the rethuglicans are going to find out that most people don't share their backwards beliefs, they might get the farmers and the other rural assholes cheering this, but they are going to pay a price. Companies don't want to deal with this, big companies don't want some born again jerkwad deciding to use their faith to upset the workings of their companies, and they will respond, and it won't just be words. Indianapolis does a lot of convention business, and for every Chic Fil A or Hobby Lobby that would be glad to do events there, they will lose a lot more, tech companies, like Apple, have already stated their intentions, and they could lose future events like the NCAA final four, they could lose trade conventions and the like. I would love to see it go any further, that for example elite colleges like the ivies and such basically say thanks to laws like this, anyone from those states is ineligible to go there, wanna watch how fast the rednecks lose?

I had people tell me they were shocked Indiana passed a law like this, but remember something about Indiana, they once had a very large concentration of Klan there, and in several years in the 1930's there were more lynchings in Indiana then in Alabama, what everyone forgets is outside the city areas, Indiana is loaded with the same type of rural, farm belt idiots you see down south.

 

[RjThoughts]

The problem with this law is that it isn't just about the florist who doesn't want to provide flowers to a wedding or a baker a wedding cake, the wording of that law is such that someone can claim religious objections in active discrimination. For example, a business owner firing an employee who gets married to a same sex partner, a born again Christian jerk off who is a manager at a company and decides to make a gay person's life a living hell. And while the bible thumping losers that represent the GOP are claiming this is about same sex marriage, the reality is it won't have to end with that. Does this mean that a "Christian" can deny access to a woman wearing a hijab into his store? Does this mean a doctor can refuse to help a transgender person in an er because of 'their religious beliefs"? Some of these laws de facto say yes they can, if they claim religious belief.

The real reason this is bad law is the same way it was bad law to allow businesses to discriminate about race, religious belief is simply another kind of belief system, and if we allow that, where does it end? The racial bigots claimed right of free association and to this day people like Rand Paul claim that the civil rights laws were unconstitutional.......

So why is this bad,? Why shouldn't people be allowed to do this? The answer should be pretty evident, but of course it totally goes over the heads of the religious dirtbags and the rednecks. When we set a tone that in the public sphere (businesses are in the public sphere, they are not private homes, they are licensed by the state, they are subject to regulation) that it is okay to discriminate, what you end up with is a society fractured, where that fractionalization is tolerated and supported, you end up with the middle east, or you end up with France for example where their minority populations are dehumanized, segregated, you get internicine warfare, religion versus religion and so forth. The same rednecks who pass crap like this also are the first ones to talk about the middle east and how fucked up it is, but they cannot see that what they advocate is part of the same reason that problems happen there. The US isn't perfect, not by a long shot, we have had problems like Jim Crow, gays haven't always been treated well, but we still avoided so much of the kind of hare and such you see in places like the middle east. Do we want Christian against Christian, Jew against Christian, do we want to use religion as another means to cause fracturing in society, to go backwards?

I actually thought there was a brilliant solution to keeping these laws from being passed. In another state, a legislator faced with one of the pieces of GOP hate, tacked on an amendment. It said that businesses had the right to discriminate against LGBT people based on their religious belief, but it also required that the business had to post a sign on their business, and on things like websites, stating that they reserved the right to not service LGBT people. The law didn't pass, because the religious jerkoffs didn't have the faith of their convictions apparently, they wanted to be able to discriminate against LGBT people but do it in stealth; they realized that a lot of people of good faith who saw that would take their business elsewhere, the way many would if they saw a sign that said "whites only". One of the best ways to take care of bigots is to bring them into the light of day.

I think the rethuglicans are going to find out that most people don't share their backwards beliefs, they might get the farmers and the other rural assholes cheering this, but they are going to pay a price. Companies don't want to deal with this, big companies don't want some born again jerkwad deciding to use their faith to upset the workings of their companies, and they will respond, and it won't just be words. Indianapolis does a lot of convention business, and for every Chic Fil A or Hobby Lobby that would be glad to do events there, they will lose a lot more, tech companies, like Apple, have already stated their intentions, and they could lose future events like the NCAA final four, they could lose trade conventions and the like. I would love to see it go any further, that for example elite colleges like the ivies and such basically say thanks to laws like this, anyone from those states is ineligible to go there, wanna watch how fast the rednecks lose?

I had people tell me they were shocked Indiana passed a law like this, but remember something about Indiana, they once had a very large concentration of Klan there, and in several years in the 1930's there were more lynchings in Indiana then in Alabama, what everyone forgets is outside the city areas, Indiana is loaded with the same type of rural, farm belt idiots you see down south.

All it's going to take for Indiana and other states that pass such laws is for a white Christian male to be refused service at a Jewish deli!

 

[phrodeau]

The Sodomite Suppression Act:

https://oag.ca.gov/system/files/initiatives/pdfs/15-0008 (Sodomy)_0.pdf

February 24, 2015
Initiative Coordinator
Office of the Attorney General
1300 I Street, 17th Floor
Sacramento, CA 95814
Enclosures:
(1) the complete text of the proposed initiative measure ("Sodomite
Suppression Act");
(2) check for $200 payable to the State of California;
(3) Initiative certification.
Please now prepare the circulating title and summary of the chief
purpose and points of the proposed measure and advise me of the same
at my address given below.

Sincerely,
Matt McLaughlin
Huntington Beach, CA

15-0008
RECEIVED FEB 2 6 2015
INITIATIVE COORDINATOR
ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OF 1: ICE
15-0008
SODOMITE SUPPRESSION ACT
Penal Code section 39
a) The abominable crime against nature known as buggery, called also
sodomy, is a monstrous evil that Almighty God, giver of freedom and liberty,
commands us to suppress on pain of our utter destruction even as he
overthrew Sodom and Gomorrha.
b) Seeing that it is better that offenders should die rather than that
all of us should be killed by God's just wrath against us for the folly
of tolerating-wickedness in our midst, the People of California wisely
command, in the fear of God, that any person who willingly touches another
person of the same gender for purposes of sexual gratification be put to
death by bullets to the head or by any other convenient method.
c) No person shall distribute, perform, or transmit sodomistic
propaganda directly or indirectly by any means to any person under the
age of majority. Sodomistic propaganda is defined as anything aimed at
creating an interest in or an acceptance of human sexual relations other
than between a man and a woman. Every offender shall be fined $1 million
per occurrence, and/or imprisoned up to 10 years, and/or expelled from
the boundaries of the state of California for up to life.
d) No person shall serve in any public office, nor serve in public
employment, nor enjoy any public benefit, who is a sodomite or who espouses
sodomistic propaganda or who belongs to any group that does.
e) This law is effective immediately and shall not be rendered
ineffective nor invalidated by any court, state or federal, until heard
by a quorum of the Supreme Court of California consisting only of judges
who are neither sodomites nor subject to disqualification hereunder.
f) The state has an affirmative duty to defend and enforce this law
as written, and every member of the public has standing to seek its
enforcement and obtain reimbursement for all costs and attorney's fees
in so doing, and further, should the state persist in inaction over 1 year
after due notice, the general public is empowered and deputized to execute
all the provisions hereunder extra-judicially, immune from any charge and
indemnified by the state against any and all liability.
g) This law shall be known as "The Sodomite Suppression Act" and be
numbered as section 39 in Title 3 of the Penal Code, pertaining to offences
against the sovereignty of the state. The text shall be prominently posted
in every public school classroom. All laws in conflict with this law are
to that extent invalid.

 

[Boxlicker101]

The problem with this law is that it isn't just about the florist who doesn't want to provide flowers to a wedding or a baker a wedding cake, the wording of that law is such that someone can claim religious objections in active discrimination. For example, a business owner firing an employee who gets married to a same sex partner, a born again Christian jerk off who is a manager at a company and decides to make a gay person's life a living hell. And while the bible thumping losers that represent the GOP are claiming this is about same sex marriage, the reality is it won't have to end with that. Does this mean that a "Christian" can deny access to a woman wearing a hijab into his store? Does this mean a doctor can refuse to help a transgender person in an er because of 'their religious beliefs"? Some of these laws de facto say yes they can, if they claim religious belief.

The real reason this is bad law is the same way it was bad law to allow businesses to discriminate about race, religious belief is simply another kind of belief system, and if we allow that, where does it end? The racial bigots claimed right of free association and to this day people like Rand Paul claim that the civil rights laws were unconstitutional.......

So why is this bad,? Why shouldn't people be allowed to do this? The answer should be pretty evident, but of course it totally goes over the heads of the religious dirtbags and the rednecks. When we set a tone that in the public sphere (businesses are in the public sphere, they are not private homes, they are licensed by the state, they are subject to regulation) that it is okay to discriminate, what you end up with is a society fractured, where that fractionalization is tolerated and supported, you end up with the middle east, or you end up with France for example where their minority populations are dehumanized, segregated, you get internicine warfare, religion versus religion and so forth. The same rednecks who pass crap like this also are the first ones to talk about the middle east and how fucked up it is, but they cannot see that what they advocate is part of the same reason that problems happen there. The US isn't perfect, not by a long shot, we have had problems like Jim Crow, gays haven't always been treated well, but we still avoided so much of the kind of hare and such you see in places like the middle east. Do we want Christian against Christian, Jew against Christian, do we want to use religion as another means to cause fracturing in society, to go backwards?

I actually thought there was a brilliant solution to keeping these laws from being passed. In another state, a legislator faced with one of the pieces of GOP hate, tacked on an amendment. It said that businesses had the right to discriminate against LGBT people based on their religious belief, but it also required that the business had to post a sign on their business, and on things like websites, stating that they reserved the right to not service LGBT people. The law didn't pass, because the religious jerkoffs didn't have the faith of their convictions apparently, they wanted to be able to discriminate against LGBT people but do it in stealth; they realized that a lot of people of good faith who saw that would take their business elsewhere, the way many would if they saw a sign that said "whites only". One of the best ways to take care of bigots is to bring them into the light of day.

I think the rethuglicans are going to find out that most people don't share their backwards beliefs, they might get the farmers and the other rural assholes cheering this, but they are going to pay a price. Companies don't want to deal with this, big companies don't want some born again jerkwad deciding to use their faith to upset the workings of their companies, and they will respond, and it won't just be words. Indianapolis does a lot of convention business, and for every Chic Fil A or Hobby Lobby that would be glad to do events there, they will lose a lot more, tech companies, like Apple, have already stated their intentions, and they could lose future events like the NCAA final four, they could lose trade conventions and the like. I would love to see it go any further, that for example elite colleges like the ivies and such basically say thanks to laws like this, anyone from those states is ineligible to go there, wanna watch how fast the rednecks lose?

I had people tell me they were shocked Indiana passed a law like this, but remember something about Indiana, they once had a very large concentration of Klan there, and in several years in the 1930's there were more lynchings in Indiana then in Alabama, what everyone forgets is outside the city areas, Indiana is loaded with the same type of rural, farm belt idiots you see down south.

Sorry about this, Chicken Little, but there's something you should know: Under federal law, "religious belief" is not a valid reason for persons offering public accommodations to refuse service to potential customers on the basis of race, religion, national origin or physical handicap. To do so is to violate the civil rights of that potential customer, which could result in a lawsuit and probably would result in a hefty fine.

However, sexual orientation is not on that list. It is not illegal to fire or refuse to hire or promote somebody because that person is gay, etc.

I hope you are aware the Jim Crow laws were all passed by legislatures controlled by Democrats and that most KKK members have always been Democrats.

 

[RjThoughts]

The Sodomite Suppression Act:

https://oag.ca.gov/system/files/initiatives/pdfs/15-0008 (Sodomy)_0.pdf

The state's attorney general is in court trying to get this removed from the ballot.

 

[Boxlicker101]

The Sodomite Suppression Act:

https://oag.ca.gov/system/files/initiatives/pdfs/15-0008 (Sodomy)_0.pdf

Sodomy actually was illegal in CA until the 1960's. I don't believe the penalties were as severe, but people did get jailed for committing "The infamous crime against nature."

Fortunately, the Legislature realized such laws were stupid and repealed them.

ETA: If this is a ballot initiative, I doubt they can even get enough signatures to get it on the ballot. Presumably, it applies even to married straight men and women and has no chance of passing anyhow.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Sorry about this, Chicken Little, but there's something you should know: Under federal law, "religious belief" is not a valid reason for persons offering public accommodations to refuse service to potential customers on the basis of race, religion, national origin or physical handicap. To do so is to violate the civil rights of that potential customer, which could result in a lawsuit and probably would result in a hefty fine.

However, sexual orientation is not on that list. It is not illegal to fire or refuse to hire or promote somebody because that person is gay, etc.

Justice Ruth Bader Ginsberg has said that sexual orientation is a large grey area of unsettled law right now. Basically if sexual orientation is behavior-based, it is not constitutionally protected. If you were "born that way", then it's constitutionally protected. I happen to fall into the latter camp. I'm hetero, I've always been hetero and there was no "choice" I had to make. I suspect the same holds true for you and a great many other folks. And to the contrary: if you weren't always hetero, share with us when you made your "conscious choice" and what you took into account!

I hope you are aware the Jim Crow laws were all passed by legislatures controlled by Democrats and that most KKK members have always been Democrats.

They were conservative democrats, back before the Reagan Shift.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

So if someone works at a WalMart in Indiana and they say that they have to have Sunday off because it's The Sabbath does WalMart have to grant them that day off?

If someone works in the bakery of a chain supermarket and a gay couple come in asking for a wedding cake, can an individual deny them service on behalf of the company?

 

[RjThoughts]

So if someone works at a WalMart in Indiana and they say that they have to have Sunday off because it's The Sabbath does WalMart have to grant them that day off?

If someone works in the bakery of a chain supermarket and a gay couple come in asking for a wedding cake, can an individual deny them service on behalf of the company?

Yes

and that's gray: Depends on how the company feels.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

Yes

and that's gray: Depends on how the company feels.

At least this law sticks it to employers a bit. I seriously do hope every employee at WalMart in Indiana asks for every Sunday off.

I think it's a very gray area. It allows an employee to go against their bosses wishes.

The court cases this law kicks up are going to be interesting.

 

[RjThoughts]

At least this law sticks it to employers a bit. I seriously do hope every employee at WalMart in Indiana asks for every Sunday off.

I think it's a very gray area. It allows an employee to go against their bosses wishes.

The court cases this law kicks up are going to be interesting.

For this law to quickly collapse is for an Islamic business owner refuse to serve a white Christian male.

I know if NY tried this, the delis in NYC and the rest of the state would immediately remove ham, bacon and all other non-Kosher foods, then tell those requesting cheese and/or mayo on their sandwiches to leave.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

For this law to quickly collapse is for an Islamic business owner refuse to serve a white Christian male.

I know if NY tried this, the delis in NYC and the rest of the state would immediately remove ham, bacon and all other non-Kosher foods, then tell those requesting cheese and/or mayo on their sandwiches to leave.

I'm still wondering if he has to be the business owner, or it can be an employee.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

The problem with this law is that it isn't just about the florist who doesn't want to provide flowers to a wedding or a baker a wedding cake, the wording of that law is such that someone can claim religious objections in active discrimination. For example, a business owner firing an employee who gets married to a same sex partner, a born again Christian jerk off who is a manager at a company and decides to make a gay person's life a living hell. And while the bible thumping losers that represent the GOP are claiming this is about same sex marriage, the reality is it won't have to end with that. Does this mean that a "Christian" can deny access to a woman wearing a hijab into his store? Does this mean a doctor can refuse to help a transgender person in an er because of 'their religious beliefs"? Some of these laws de facto say yes they can, if they claim religious belief.

The real reason this is bad law is the same way it was bad law to allow businesses to discriminate about race, religious belief is simply another kind of belief system, and if we allow that, where does it end? The racial bigots claimed right of free association and to this day people like Rand Paul claim that the civil rights laws were unconstitutional.......

So why is this bad,? Why shouldn't people be allowed to do this? The answer should be pretty evident, but of course it totally goes over the heads of the religious dirtbags and the rednecks. When we set a tone that in the public sphere (businesses are in the public sphere, they are not private homes, they are licensed by the state, they are subject to regulation) that it is okay to discriminate, what you end up with is a society fractured, where that fractionalization is tolerated and supported, you end up with the middle east, or you end up with France for example where their minority populations are dehumanized, segregated, you get internicine warfare, religion versus religion and so forth. The same rednecks who pass crap like this also are the first ones to talk about the middle east and how fucked up it is, but they cannot see that what they advocate is part of the same reason that problems happen there. The US isn't perfect, not by a long shot, we have had problems like Jim Crow, gays haven't always been treated well, but we still avoided so much of the kind of hare and such you see in places like the middle east. Do we want Christian against Christian, Jew against Christian, do we want to use religion as another means to cause fracturing in society, to go backwards?

I actually thought there was a brilliant solution to keeping these laws from being passed. In another state, a legislator faced with one of the pieces of GOP hate, tacked on an amendment. It said that businesses had the right to discriminate against LGBT people based on their religious belief, but it also required that the business had to post a sign on their business, and on things like websites, stating that they reserved the right to not service LGBT people. The law didn't pass, because the religious jerkoffs didn't have the faith of their convictions apparently, they wanted to be able to discriminate against LGBT people but do it in stealth; they realized that a lot of people of good faith who saw that would take their business elsewhere, the way many would if they saw a sign that said "whites only". One of the best ways to take care of bigots is to bring them into the light of day.

I think the rethuglicans are going to find out that most people don't share their backwards beliefs, they might get the farmers and the other rural assholes cheering this, but they are going to pay a price. Companies don't want to deal with this, big companies don't want some born again jerkwad deciding to use their faith to upset the workings of their companies, and they will respond, and it won't just be words. Indianapolis does a lot of convention business, and for every Chic Fil A or Hobby Lobby that would be glad to do events there, they will lose a lot more, tech companies, like Apple, have already stated their intentions, and they could lose future events like the NCAA final four, they could lose trade conventions and the like. I would love to see it go any further, that for example elite colleges like the ivies and such basically say thanks to laws like this, anyone from those states is ineligible to go there, wanna watch how fast the rednecks lose?

I had people tell me they were shocked Indiana passed a law like this, but remember something about Indiana, they once had a very large concentration of Klan there, and in several years in the 1930's there were more lynchings in Indiana then in Alabama, what everyone forgets is outside the city areas, Indiana is loaded with the same type of rural, farm belt idiots you see down south.

The Supremes recently ruled that businesses don't forfeit their religious rights or free speech rights.

 

[njlauren]

All it's going to take for Indiana and other states that pass such laws is for a white Christian male to be refused service at a Jewish deli!

Especially if he orders pastrami on white bread with mayo!

 

[njlauren]

Sorry about this, Chicken Little, but there's something you should know: Under federal law, "religious belief" is not a valid reason for persons offering public accommodations to refuse service to potential customers on the basis of race, religion, national origin or physical handicap. To do so is to violate the civil rights of that potential customer, which could result in a lawsuit and probably would result in a hefty fine.

However, sexual orientation is not on that list. It is not illegal to fire or refuse to hire or promote somebody because that person is gay, etc.

I hope you are aware the Jim Crow laws were all passed by legislatures controlled by Democrats and that most KKK members have always been Democrats.

That was true once upon a time, but that is no longer true, hasn't been true in 50 years. Mencken once called the people you are talking about the KKK branch of the Democratic party, but that changed a long time ago. The farmers, the southern racists who made up the KKK all moved to the GOP along with the religious reich. When Johnson signed the civil rights acts (that effectively ended Jim Crow), he said he was turning the south over to the GOP, and he was right. Take a look at who is running the GOP, and you see southern drawls and farm belt types; The whole GOP fetish with a "Christian America" is not driven by people from the coasts, that is the evangelical Christians who are predominantly a rural/southern/farm belt population. The GOP has prominent people in it, who even to this day say the civil rights acts were a mistake or illegal (Rand Paul in particular), and the GOP has for the past 40+ years done everything it can to use race to get people to vote for it, there was the southern Strategy, where the GOP went back to the old "States Rights" claims that died with the civil war, to get the rednecks to become republican, then we had Ronald Reagan opening his campaign in Philadelphia, Miss with a big 'States Rights" argument in 1980, the willie horton campaign and the whole Lee Atwater driven racial baiting (and if you don't believe it was, Atwater later on admitted what he did was reprehensible and begged forgiveness for it). The GOP is solidly the party of the bigots these days, and a lot of people see that. The GOP has been trying to promote themselves as the party of libertarianism, but what many people see them as is the party promoting the right to be a bigot, the right to use religion as a cudgel against others.