Has music and fashion stopped evolving?

[GiaCat]

If you look at past decades, there was always a distinct culture that defined the times: Mostly in music and fashion.

If one hears a song, or see a picture, most people can roughly tell what decade it’s from. The lines are well defined. Long feathered hair, disco, bell-bottoms, and Led Zeppelin are 70’s. ‘New Wave’ Skinny black ties, The Cure-like electro pop is early to mid 80’s. Hair bands are late 80’s.

The last one I noted was in the early 90's. When the 'Seattle Sound' swept 80's music away. The same thing happened in fashion. 80's poofy hair and heavy makeup lost out to minimalism, or grudge.

All this is fine and expected. But what about now? The 00's? I still really see the same music and fashions first seen in the early 90's. Abercrombie and Fitch are the kings of grudge. Bands still follow the 90's template: Skinny guys wearing Brady Bunch cloths, singer's inflections following the guitar rifts with head cocked to one side, and just an elemental sloppy douche bagginess that never went away.

So what will happen in the 01's? Will we still be in a 90's time warp? Why did we miss a cultural shift in the 00's anyway?

 

[TurdFergeson]

No. You just have to look harder nowdays.

Example:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61k041I4aEo

 

[GiaCat]

No. You just have to look harder nowdays.

Example:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61k041I4aEo

Now that guy is really good. But what is with the KFC bucket? I hope that is not a new fashion trend.

 

[Msub33]

If you look at past decades, there was always a distinct culture that defined the times: Mostly in music and fashion.

If one hears a song, or see a picture, most people can roughly tell what decade it’s from. The lines are well defined. Long feathered hair, disco, bell-bottoms, and Led Zeppelin are 70’s. ‘New Wave’ Skinny black ties, The Cure-like electro pop is early to mid 80’s. Hair bands are late 80’s.

The last one I noted was in the early 90's. When the 'Seattle Sound' swept 80's music away. The same thing happened in fashion. 80's poofy hair and heavy makeup lost out to minimalism, or grudge.

All this is fine and expected. But what about now? The 00's? I still really see the same music and fashions first seen in the early 90's. Abercrombie and Fitch are the kings of grudge. Bands still follow the 90's template: Skinny guys wearing Brady Bunch cloths, singer's inflections following the guitar rifts with head cocked to one side, and just an elemental sloppy douche bagginess that never went away.

So what will happen in the 01's? Will we still be in a 90's time warp? Why did we miss a cultural shift in the 00's anyway?

Here is a good list of best selling albums:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_albums_in_the_United_States

Nothing has really changed other than the fact that the metal of the 80's vanished just as quickly as it appeared. I think the basic answer is to follow the drugs. In the 70's and 80's everyone was doing the rock. When Grundge and "alternative rock" took over it was all about the Heroin in the US, and Europe had Ecstasy. Ecstasy eventually made its way to the United States and became the prominent drug used in clubs.

So... the answer to your question irrevecably leads one to deduce that, since drug use has fallen dramatically, the number of people in "cliques" based on drug use has fallen with it- or at least that is what I think.

 

[TurdFergeson]

Now that guy is really good. But what is with the KFC bucket? I hope that is not a new fashion trend.

haha..perfect symbiosis of fashion and music.




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gpr498vngFQ&feature=related

 

[Msub33]

No. You just have to look harder nowdays.

Example:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61k041I4aEo

All hail the Bucket Head. \m/

Generally, I agree with Turd on this indirectly. Basically, our culture has become more diversified because there is no "soma" for the masses.

 

[TurdFergeson]

All hail the Bucket Head. \m/

Generally, I agree with Turd on this indirectly. Basically, our culture has become more diversified because there is no "soma" for the masses.

Msub, impressive "Brave New World" reference.

Props.

 

[atmas]

A couple a hundred years ago GWF Hegel asserted that art was at an end, that new pieces of art would be made but new genres would not.
I'm just trying to sound smart over here.

 

[Msub33]

Msub, impressive "Brave New World" reference.

Props.

Just wait until they invent a new drug, then watch the fools fall in line...

But Turd, I like Buckethead and all, but I have to say I am more of a Rusty Cooley fan:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8aVlLguYkIY

 

[Msub33]

A couple a hundred years ago GWF Hegel asserted that art was at an end, that new pieces of art would be made but new genres would not.
I'm just trying to sound smart over here.

Actually, Art died with Marcel DuChamp and Dadaism. In fact, they called it "Anti Art" because art, in the sense of greek harmony and true form, was a relic of the "old world." Go check out DuChamps "Fountain" out and see what I mean. Most people don't understand that the "revolution" Marx talked about affect EVERYTHING. That is why Picasso ended up joining the Communist party in the 40's and Salvador Dali said his art was the "revolution of consciousness."

Culture died when Romanticism and Communism took over- sorry to burst your bubble.

 

[Bert Notorius]

I don't follow fashion or art trends that much but I do know the last pair of shorts I bought hit me mid calf. I find new and exciting music all the time. There are just too many people doing their own thing. Rap- is that winding down? It is sometimes hard to define a period when in the beginning or the midst of it.

 

[Msub33]

MTV just isn't the place to find art or culture...

 

[atmas]

Actually, Art died with Marcel DuChamp and Dadaism. In fact, they called it "Anti Art" because art, in the sense of greek harmony and true form, was a relic of the "old world." Go check out DuChamps "Fountain" out and see what I mean. Most people don't understand that the "revolution" Marx talked about affect EVERYTHING. That is why Picasso ended up joining the Communist party in the 40's and Salvador Dali said his art was the "revolution of consciousness."

Culture died when Romanticism and Communism took over- sorry to burst your bubble.

Dude, Hegel predates all the things you said by a hundred-odd years.

 

[EndCredits]

Didn't postmodernism claim a few decades ago that everything old was new again?

 

[atmas]

Didn't postmodernism claim a few decades ago that everything old was new again?

And the joke came out asking how many post modernists can dance on the head of a pin...
Well, none since post modernists can't dance.

 

[TurdFergeson]

Just wait until they invent a new drug, then watch the fools fall in line...

But Turd, I like Buckethead and all, but I have to say I am more of a Rusty Cooley fan:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8aVlLguYkIY

Haha...damn...that guy is lightning.

Anyway, art isn't dead. It's just become more ethereal?

As in new mediums and forms emerging? In fact the internet seems to be easily the fastest growing segment of all the arts?

But, it's not real. You can't touch it. It's on a screen.

At least until art evolves into a star trek "virtual reality chamber".

I think it might be getting that close as technology and art merge?

 

[Msub33]

Dude, Hegel predates all the things you said by a hundred-odd years.

Ugh, but the root of what I am saying started with the French Revolution. The modern division between Conservatism and Liberalism, Capitalism and Communism, Stability and Revolution, all started with the French Revolution...

Regardless, what Hegel stated didn't even address revolutionary "antiart." The whole debate between Classicism and Romanticism revolves around the idea the notion that classicists assert that is only one goal of art, and that is to reflect truth, beauty, and harmony (Think Greek), whereas the Romantic revolutionaries rejected all notions of "absolute truth" and decided to create art based on perspective and emotion (Hence Surrealism, Cubism, Modern art, et cetera).

Hegel was just regurgitating observations that were made from the French Revolution, and the enlightenment thinkers of that time.

 

[richard_daily]

you considered disco an evolution?

Clearly something is wrong here.

 

[atmas]

Ugh, but the root of what I am saying started with the French Revolution. The modern division between Conservatism and Liberalism, Capitalism and Communism, Stability and Revolution, all started with the French Revolution...

Regardless, what Hegel stated didn't even address revolutionary "antiart." The whole debate between Classicism and Romanticism revolves around the idea the notion that classicists assert that is only one goal of art, and that is to reflect truth, beauty, and harmony (Think Greek), whereas the Romantic revolutionaries rejected all notions of "absolute truth" and decided to create art based on perspective and emotion (Hence Surrealism, Cubism, Modern art, et cetera).

Hegel was just regurgitating observations that were made from the French Revolution, and the enlightenment thinkers of that time.

No, not really. Hegel was not inspecting trends within genres, he was expressing the belief that art as it can be experienced by human sense is at an end, that new in the arts was becoming obsolete. He wasn't on about classic, romantic or abstract impressionism (which, to his mind, would still derive from its genre of visual art even though the spirit of it, a painting whose subject is itself, was new).
The internet, though, may have proved him shortsighted if not entirely wrong. But no one succeeding him has had access to any sense or sensation to which he didn't

 

[posterOfAgirl]

nope, nope, everything is evolving regardless how cynical you feel towards the present musical scene
it must, it must!

but to quote metric..
"Everyone’s the same
World wide, air tight
No one’s got a face left to blame
And all we get is…

Dead disco
Dead funk
Dead rock and roll
Remodeled
Everything has been done
La la la la la la la la la la

I know, I know you tried to change things
I know you tried to change
I know"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBd2tAlCJdk

 

[atmas]

nope, nope, everything is evolving regardless how cynical you feel towards the present musical scene
it must, it must!

but to quote metric..
"Everyone’s the same
World wide, air tight
No one’s got a face left to blame
And all we get is…

Dead disco
Dead funk
Dead rock and roll
Remodeled
Everything has been done
La la la la la la la la la la

I know, I know you tried to change things
I know you tried to change
I know"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBd2tAlCJdk

Cool. I get it.
Take off your clothes...?

 

[posterOfAgirl]

Cool. I get it.
Take off your clothes...?

"tits out
pants down
overnight to london"


*nekkid*

 

[atmas]

"tits out
pants down
overnight to london"


*nekkid*

You have a way with words.
And skin.

 

[posterOfAgirl]

You have a way with words.
And skin.

you're the wordsmith my man

under the skin i'm all fluff

 

[atmas]

you're the wordsmith my man

under the skin i'm all fluff

I'm wanting to bend that fluff over and...
Oh, hah, funny.
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