Has anyone seen this incident being played in the national media?

[GimpyIntellect]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eT3xFT7HaCA

I sure haven't.

Crazy video.

 

[miles]

White lives don't matter.

Neither do black lives unless they are shot by a cop.

 

[Lancecastor]

With all the different media content platforms and channels, it's harder than ever to get your 15 minutes of fame.

Now everyone's in the same boat as artists and authors ... No big payday until you're dead.

Tough room!

 

[Liar]

White lives don't matter.

Neither do black lives unless they are shot by a cop.

Nobody was shot here. Let alone killed.

Unless you count cars. #whitevansmatter

 

[Colonel Hogan]

Reported in the Tampa Bay Times

http://www.tampabay.com/news/publicsafety/crime/security-guard-caught-on-video-shooting-at-two-men-in-ybor-city-parking/2284843

 

[Sean Renaud]

And while we don't see what happened prior (apparently it's blocking the man in) the white guy is beyond belligerent. If a black guy was talking that way to the police and trying to get into a vehicle (or even fleeing a neighborhood guard) every right winger on here would be screaming about how he deserved it and to obey.

 

[miles]

The security guard will walk. Those loud bangs on the video were just warning shots being fired. The guard picked up the spent shell casings because he didn't want to litter the area.

 

[Sean Renaud]

The security guard will walk. Those loud bangs on the video were just warning shots being fired. The guard picked up the spent shell casings because he didn't want to litter the area.

If nobody died then I can't see a whole lot of charges going. Reckless endangerment maybe?

 

[Darbhinder]

That security guard needs the black beat out of him until he is a pale ashy color with traces of blood.

 

[Colonel Hogan]

And while we don't see what happened prior (apparently it's blocking the man in) the white guy is beyond belligerent. If a black guy was talking that way to the police and trying to get into a vehicle (or even fleeing a neighborhood guard) every right winger on here would be screaming about how he deserved it and to obey.

Excuse me??!!?? Who got arrested in this scenario? The white guy wasn't talking to the police. He was talking to a security guard who was arguably attempting to detain him without making an arrest (assuming he even had that authority) for the heinous crime of urinating in a public place.

If the security guard's actions had been reasonable I submit that he would not have had to go to jail.

 

[snugglestruggle]

The security guard will walk. Those loud bangs on the video were just warning shots being fired. The guard picked up the spent shell casings because he didn't want to litter the area.

This happened in Tampa ? The security Guard is toast. The other guy was not armed, except with a cellphone camera & the rent a cop fired his weapon.

The 10-20-Life law (Florida Statute 775.087) is a mandatory minimum sentencing law in the U.S. state of Florida. It primarily regards the use of a firearm during the commission of a forcible felony. The law's name comes from a set of three basic minimum sentences it provides for

 

[Sean Renaud]

Excuse me??!!?? Who got arrested in this scenario? The white guy wasn't talking to the police. He was talking to a security guard who was arguably attempting to detain him without making an arrest (assuming he even had that authority) for the heinous crime of urinating in a public place.

If the security guard's actions had been reasonable I submit that he would not have had to go to jail.

I'm not stating that the security guard was in the right. I'm stating that we are constantly hearing about how blacks should obey officer friendly and if you don't want to get shot don't talk back. This guy was shouting and trying to get in his vehicle and move it.

 

[Christobal]

From what I got out of the video the security guard caught the guy peeing in the garage. Security guard blocks in the car. Guy says call the police. Security guard does not.

Everything after that is security guards fault.

 

[Colonel Hogan]

I'm not stating that the security guard was in the right. I'm stating that we are constantly hearing about how blacks should obey officer friendly and if you don't want to get shot don't talk back. This guy was shouting and trying to get in his vehicle and move it.

And that is still a good policy when confronting an armed, overly officious uniformed authority figure. But victims (be they white or black) who aren't that smart and end up getting shot by short-tempered or panic-stricken "officers" for simply profane argumentation DO NOT deserve their fate, and said officers should be fired and prosecuted for the consequences of their unlawful assault.

And just so there is no misunderstanding, my definition of "simple profane argumentation" does NOT constitute the legal definition of resisting arrest -- even an arguably unlawful arrest. There was absolutely nothing even alleged about the suspect's actions in the video that would have justified the security guard discharging his weapon. That is substantially different than many (but certainly not all) of the controversial police shootings.

Given those parameters can I assume we are on the same page?

 

[Sean Renaud]

Complete agreement. I hope the rent-a-cop is punished to the fullest extent of the law. Which I'm not a lawyer. Is it assault with a deadly weapon when you miss? At the very least that is not a job he should be able to keep. If for whatever strange situation we find that was some sort of policy of his employer a 'talk' with them is in order.

Nothing this man did at all qualified as threatening in a way that justifies shooting him. But I'm not always a fair judge of that. I might very well have let him move the cart and explained to my boss that I wasn't shooting some jack ass over a go-kart and if he didn't like it I can get work elsewhere.

 

[Colonel Hogan]

Complete agreement. I hope the rent-a-cop is punished to the fullest extent of the law. Which I'm not a lawyer. Is it assault with a deadly weapon when you miss? At the very least that is not a job he should be able to keep. If for whatever strange situation we find that was some sort of policy of his employer a 'talk' with them is in order.

Nothing this man did at all qualified as threatening in a way that justifies shooting him. But I'm not always a fair judge of that. I might very well have let him move the cart and explained to my boss that I wasn't shooting some jack ass over a go-kart and if he didn't like it I can get work elsewhere.

When all is said and done, if the security guard fired his weapon into the air and not at the "perps"rolleyes, then it may come down to your speculation of "reckless endangerment." But if evidence shows he was pointing his weapon AT them, then he'd best thank his personal god that he was a poor shot. And he should still be criminally prosecuted.

 

[Bookishleigh]

I hope the golf cart is okay. That is true victim in all this.

 

[eyerami]

I tried a little last night, but I failed to find it again...

There's a 3-4-5 (or so) minute video produced by the motion picture association Stasi and the USSA federal government out there - I assume it's presented traileresque-like in movie theaters - which portrays what can happen to you if you dare pirate the video playing in the theater. Dig this...

A male walks into a movie theater and two other individual people (a female and a male) elsewhere in the lobby immediately eye him; the first male takes his seat and the other two individuals find seats of their own, still separate but both still watching the same guy. The movie starts and the first male pulls out a recorder and starts pirating the film...

And the other male immediately - literally - vaults into action while the females catches up rushing through the rows of seats, both making their way to the first male now ID'd as probably committing a federal felony. Just as the male cop reaches the perp, the perp bounds up and flees through seat rows of his own and out the theater back door, where an alley awaits his criminal flight.

Both cops now in hot pursuit, they both draw their weapons as they chase, ID themselves, and command the perp to stop - which, of course, he doesn't because we all know nobody's going down for illegally videoing a flick without a fight.

So the perp makes it to the standard, tall chain link fence/gate which he also just as standardly leaps unto and starts scaling it upwards...

...and that's when, if I recall correctly, the female cop stops running, yells a command, AND FIRES WARNING SHOOTS INTO THE AIR!

But not even that stops the perp, although he is finally caught as the mighty male cop leaps up after the perp scaling the fence and captures the evil criminal around the legs and pulls him down, after which the cuffs are pulled out and applied and the standard movie picture association Stasi and USSA federal government logos and legalese are presented with the fines and jail times listed for the offense as the hooked pirate is led away in utter shame of the seriousness of his dastardly crime.

Maybe all parents should preview that video for their kids to show them how DEADLY serious the militarized USSA federal government and its crony capitalist enablers have become EVEN ABOUT JUST FUCKING VIDEOING A FUCKING FLICK!

The kids get that message, they'll be totally intimated by law enforcement the entire rest of their lives...

TOTALITARIAN MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!



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[Sean Renaud]

When all is said and done, if the security guard fired his weapon into the air and not at the "perps"rolleyes, then it may come down to your speculation of "reckless endangerment." But if evidence shows he was pointing his weapon AT them, then he'd best thank his personal god that he was a poor shot. And he should still be criminally prosecuted.

Even if you assume that they did urinate that doesn't rise to the level of "perp" in my book. I might take down their license plate (or tell them that I'm doing that) but this guy was way over the line. I am not defending that.

That's when laws get fuzzy. Letting shit like this slide even fired into the air invites escalation in the future. But I'm not familiar with the laws for discharging a firearm so there is probably SOMETHING you can peg this guy with.

 

[Christobal]

Even if you assume that they did urinate that doesn't rise to the level of "perp" in my book. I might take down their license plate (or tell them that I'm doing that) but this guy was way over the line. I am not defending that.

That's when laws get fuzzy. Letting shit like this slide even fired into the air invites escalation in the future. But I'm not familiar with the laws for discharging a firearm so there is probably SOMETHING you can peg this guy with.

You are working under the wrong assumption.

This is what happened to the security guy. He was arrested.

http://www.fox13news.com/news/local-news/173012981-story

 

[Conager]

When all is said and done, if the security guard fired his weapon into the air and not at the "perps"rolleyes, then it may come down to your speculation of "reckless endangerment." But if evidence shows he was pointing his weapon AT them, then he'd best thank his personal god that he was a poor shot. And he should still be criminally prosecuted.

At a minimum the security guard was brandishing. Technically you can at times be charged with brandishing even a weapon that remains holstered, if you are displaying it for purposes of intimdation. You certainly can't wave it around, and beyond certainly, you can't discharge it.

Unless you are defending life or limb you cannot discharge a firearm within 1/4 mile of a roadway or occupied dwelling.

Unless you are at a range or Eyer's house you cannot discharge a weapon.

 

[snugglestruggle]

This website breaks down the conditions/circumstances which would determine what he could be charged with under Fl law. Brandishing if used in prevention of a crime is normally plead down , but this is not the case. He was committing a crime, was the aggressor. I think the Security Guard is toast, pulled his weapon and fired it knowing he could inflict bodily harm. He knew better.

http://www.husseinandwebber.com/crimes/violent-crimes/aggravated-assault/

 

[smoothg103rd]

All I got to say to this is

https://youtu.be/bjlr3vfU300

 

[eyerami]

Alton Sterling brandished his feloniously possessed, semi-automatic handgun at a homeless dude to get that grave danger to quit begging him for some coin - and then the homeless guy called 911 on big, bad, Sterling...

Oops!

 

[snugglestruggle]

Alton Sterling brandished his feloniously possessed, semi-automatic handgun at a homeless dude to get that grave danger to quit begging him for some coin - and then the homeless guy called 911 on big, bad, Sterling...

Oops!

So the homeless guy is bigger and badder by virtue of his brain.