Has ANY of it worked?

[jaF0]

Instead of hijacking another thread:

We are not allowed. Seriously. Not allowed to see parents. Not allowed to see children. (My daughter sneaks by for a few minutes here and there)
Has this restriction worked? Nope. Record high numbers

This is a good point. Back in March/April/May, Most of us, including me, truly believed that sacrificing our freedoms for the greater good was the right thing to do to end this scourge. We even got upset with people who selfishly defied these stay at home/shelter in place orders back then. But here we are, six months later, and instead of ending the scourge, it is now far worse than anyone imagined.

It's time for a new approach to this insanity. Sacrificing our freedoms is counterproductive if these sacrifices end up being all for nothing. What will happen if we are still in this situation a year from now, or five years from now? Are we going to be resigned to never seeing our families or friends again, never going to church again, or allowing our children in school again? No more concerts, movies, fairs, festivals, travel, ever again? I don't deny that covid is a very serious illness, but at some point, life becomes not worth living if you are not allowed to live it.

This is stuff I've been saying since Day One. No one listened. There is NO point to any of the restrictions or requirements. It's all been counter productive.

 

[KeithD]

I responded on the other thread. The restrictions placed are not why they aren't working. The restrictions not followed (like you selfishly advocate) is why they aren't working.

 

[Rotadom]

Yes, it works. That's why we are not at 500,000 instead of "just" 250,000 dead.

 

[Saint Peter]

I have isolated. I wear a mask, wash hands, and distance from others.


I am still here.

 

[HisArpy]

I have isolated. I wear a mask, wash hands, and distance from others.


I am still here.

So is the ring around the bathtub.

 

[HisArpy]

Instead of hijacking another thread:







This is stuff I've been saying since Day One. No one listened. There is NO point to any of the restrictions or requirements. It's all been counter productive.

I wouldn't say counter productive. Instead I'd say that the understanding of original purpose has been lost.

The restrictions were put in place to SLOW the spread, not stop it. We did it to flatten the curve, not eliminate the virus, until a treatment could be implemented. Whether people obeyed or not isn't the point because the PURPOSE wasn't to stop, only to slow it down. We managed to do that despite some people not wearing masks.

The fact that the virus is still here is a testament to the fact that the virus isn't going to go away and everything we do as a prophylactic measure won't make it go away. No matter how long or stringent the lockdowns and mask mandates are, it'll still be out there, waiting, for those who are vulnerable to catch it.

 

[PaxNurgle]

^Exactly my point. So, the question is, are we going to basically have to live with lockdowns and restrictions for the rest of our lives? No more: church, school, holidays, movies, concerts, restaurants, sporting venues, festivals, ever again?

Really, how much longer are people willing to put up with this? Virus or no virus, the sense around the country is, people are tired of this. Tired of living like this, tired of making sacrifices that seem to go on and on, with no end in sight.

We need a new approach to living with covid- plain and simple. Either give us a cure, give us better and more effective treatment options, give us better medicine, give us more hospitals, doctors, etc. to deal with the sick, just give us SOMETHING, besides endless restrictions, cancellations, social distancing and lockdowns.

This isn't "Selfish" rather, it is being realistic; I can't speak for everyone but nobody wants to live their lives isolated in bunkers like this for the rest of our lives. Those of us (like me) who followed all the restrictions to the letter, with enthusiasm, never intended that it would be permanent, because it shouldn't have to be.

 

[doowdniw]

The only way the current curve is flattened is if you turn it 90 degrees clockwise before you look at it.

 

[KeithD]

^Exactly my point. So, the question is, are we going to basically have to live with lockdowns and restrictions for the rest of our lives? No more: church, school, holidays, movies, concerts, restaurants, sporting venues, festivals, ever again?

Really, how much longer are people willing to put up with this? Virus or no virus, the sense around the country is, people are tired of this. Tired of living like this, tired of making sacrifices that seem to go on and on, with no end in sight.

Wake up. The problem is that people aren't putting up with it now. Enough of them are ignoring what's going to have to happen to get control of it. And, yes, you're going to have to live up with it longer than you otherwise would have to if you're going to be stupid and bullheaded enough not to choke it off before then.

 

[PaxNurgle]

We tried to choke it off back in April/May, and it didn't work then. Most people assumed that like most cold/flu seasons, it would be over by summer- because typical cold/flu seasons don't last year round. The thing is, we DID everything asked of us- and to no avail. We selflessly sacrificed, gave up our freedoms, did everything asked of us, willingly and selflessly, to beat this virus, but we didn't beat it. In fact, with all those measures, ironically it is now infecting people at a faster rate than ever. Every day it seems like "Breaks the record for new infections."

We tried lockdowns, etc. and it didn't work. We need a new approach because there is only so much social distancing and lockdowns people will take before they figure out it just isn't worth it any longer. Time for a new strategy. That's all I'm saying. And yes, I still wear masks and do everything you are supposed to do. But I'm just saying, it's asking an awful lot to tell people they can't gather for the holidays, or go to church on Christmas eve, or do any of those activities that brighten the holidays, bring people together or give people joy. For this year- maybe we can do it, put our lives on hold for a while longer. But what about next Christmas? Or five years from now?

YOU might be willing to self-quarantine in a foxhole for the rest of your life but the rest of the world, I guarantee, will not.

 

[Jada59]

I responded on the other thread. The restrictions placed are not why they aren't working. The restrictions not followed (like you selfishly advocate) is why they aren't working.

I went to the Dr. yesterday. Did not want to go but they refused to refill my Progesterone unless I did.

I went tootling on in there with my purchased mask on. It was a blue plaid that almost matched the Drs. shirt. I was told to remove the mask and put on one of theirs.

Remove the mask? There I was, touching my mask, which we're not supposed to do... Then standing there unmasked as I put the giant, stinky paper one on. It came up over my eyes and puffed out so far at the sides, it wasn't really covering my face very well. And I had to keep touching it too! Because I had to keep pulling it down so I could see.

The Dr. said people who don't want to wear masks are actually wearing them but poking holes in them so they can breathe. They look compliant but they're not.

 

[doowdniw]

If Darwin were alive, he would be laughing into his mask.

 

[KeithD]

We tried to choke it off back in April/May,

No "we" didn't. That's the point. Not enough took it seriously enough to choke it off then. Not enough are doing enough to choke it off now. The United States is the worst "no, I'm not doing that" responder country in the world on this. Others have gotten the point better, have responded better, and are in better shape.

 

[silver gurl]

I have only seen my daughter outdoors.
Other than that, I have not seen anyone outside of my residence.

Except for work. Which is considered front line. Seeing how much I am in contact with the public I am sure I have or will be exposed.

Which is exactly why I do not see family or anyone at risk. Including parents.

However, Quebec is getting tired. This is our second partial lockdown. Chains are folding, small businesses are closing. Restaurants are closed and a high percentage probably will not re-open.
The government is now focusing on Mental Health.
We have had Easter, Mothers Day/Fathers Day, July 1st, Thanksgiving...all cancelled.

Meanwhile on social media, I have several friends in the States that I see are traveling. Traveling to an island. Traveling across the states for extended road trips.
I see them going out to eat at restaurants, going to hotels, going to Casinos

That is not happening here. Heck, most of our hotels are still closed.
So I don’t get it.

 

[PaxNurgle]

No "we" didn't. That's the point. Not enough took it seriously enough to choke it off then. Not enough are doing enough to choke it off now. The United States is the worst "no, I'm not doing that" responder country in the world on this. Others have gotten the point better, have responded better, and are in better shape.

I feel bad for having this disagreement, because to be honest, I have always respected you as the "Voice of Reason" on this board, which is too often dominated by ignorant and oftentimes mean-spirited trolls, bigots and truly selfish people. And I don't think my views are that far apart from yours here, either.

Where I am coming from, is of concern that the restrictions that are put in place now could last a lifetime, beyond just this holiday season and the coming winter. Our society needs to find a way to ensure that won't happen.

I don't mean to argue that they are not necessary at the present. I would, however, like to see going forward, some better alternatives on the medical front- better treatment, better medicine, etc. for the disease, so governments will no longer feel the need to shut down their society in the first place.

Someone on this board -I think it was one of the Rightguide/KissedCherry usernames (not that it matters anyway) argued for things like poking holes in masks to "Spite the 'Socialists'" spreading the "Covid Scare." That is so freakin' mean spirited and ignorant it shouldn't even deserve a response (other than a ban from the forums, wishfully thinking of course) and I certainly am NOT trying to come across with that viewpoint.

 

[silver gurl]

Someone on this board -I think it was one of the Rightguide/KissedCherry usernames (not that it matters anyway) argued for things like poking holes in masks to "Spite the 'Socialists'" spreading the "Covid Scare." That is so freakin' mean spirited and ignorant it shouldn't even deserve a response (other than a ban from the forums, wishfully thinking of course) and I certainly am NOT trying to come across with that viewpoint.

That there, is the lowest of the low.

I really think that a vaccine will be rolling out. How successful it is? We shall see.

When this started in March, my neighbor (who works in the field) made the comment that everyone is going to get it. Period.
That could be a possibility. Some will have no symptoms, some will be sick, some will die.

Then there is the possibility that you won’t become immune, even though you have had it. That it will mutate. I try not to think those thoughts.

 

[FL30]

yes it has, in the countries that took it seriously and listened to the doctors and scientists

Australia and New Zealand come to mind

 

[silver gurl]

This just came across my news feed
“Montreal police broke up up a large event celebrating the Sikh holiday of Diwali over apparent COVID-19 public health regulations violations.”

And that is a big part of the problem. The large gatherings. Not an individual, seeing another individual.
The hot spots in March, are the hot spots once again. I work in them and see what is happening.

 

[FL30]

You ask the question, you get the answer

https://imgur.com/gallery/zu8ff14

 

[FL30]

Fact and the reason for more

https://imgur.com/gallery/xVhOshP

 

[FL30]

Doctor's & Nurse's wear masks during surgery and they cover the NOSE & mouth but people in the US think that they shouldn't cover their nose or that they "can't breathe" in them.

Really, what about the doctor's & nurses that wear them for 8, 9 10 hours or more during surgery? They do just fine and don't have any complications.

If you really don't want to wear a mask, then don't ask your doctor or nurse to wear a mask next time you or anyone in your family needs to have any medical procedures.

Just plain stupidity run amok

Every TV show that deals with hospitals always shows the medical teams wearing masks over the NOSE and mouth and yet the US can't seem to grasp that even by watching TV.

 

[dolf]

Here it's...well... Restrictions worked in bringing down numbers. Then our morons in power decided to spend our taxes funding half price meals to get us eating out, and the numbers went up from there.
With the government twats breaking lockdown, and one specific twat seeing no need to admit to any wrongdoing and being seemingly immune to consequences, the second lockdown just isn't being taken as seriously. Despite this, numbers have still dropped again.

The various protocols of cleaning, mask wearing and distancing mean that, when I caught it, i didn't spread my highly contagious illness to a single person at work or within my family. If you don't see how that's of benefit then you're a lost cause.

 

[KeithD]

Where I am coming from, is of concern that the restrictions that are put in place now could last a lifetime, beyond just this holiday season and the coming winter. Our society needs to find a way to ensure that won't happen.

Well, no, I don't think the need for restrictions will go on forever, any more than they did for the Spanish Flu in 1918-19. But they'll be needed, in some form, for longer than necessary in the United States because of . . . Donald Trump.

I do think that the health of some people will be screwed up for their forever, which will come as a surprise to folks who are pretending this is no big deal.

 

[jaF0]

Y'all's missin' the point. As usual.

The bug is here to stay for the foreseeable future. Months, years ... longer?

You stay in your little cloth face cocoon for that long ... maybe 5 years? Then what? You take it off ... finally ... and Whammo!! Bug done gotcha'.

Meanwhile, those of us with brains have long since developed a natural immunity since we didn't play 'hide your nose'.

 

[KeithD]

Y'all's missin' the point. As usual.

The bug is here to stay for the foreseeable future. Months, years ... longer?

You stay in your little cloth face cocoon for that long ... maybe 5 years? Then what? You take it off ... finally ... and Whammo!! Bug done gotcha'.

Meanwhile, those of us with brains have long since developed a natural immunity since we didn't play 'hide your nose'.

It would be around for no more than a couple of more months if everyone, including you, Jaf0, wore a mask when out and would social distance. It requires proximity to spread to the very next person. Take away the proximity and it can't spread any further. It would be gone by now if you and others weren't so dense and selfish. Get a clue.