Has America been divided and conquered ?

[mikey2much]

I think we have, but I would love to hear your opinion. I feel that we have let politics divide us. I don't pretend to understand why but the right has given all power to the rich to use for their selfish needs.

Why do we feel that we can't handle having state paid health coverage? Every other wealthy nation and many poor nations can manage it but for some reason a large part of our voting population feel it is a sin against everything we stand for.

Why is it alright for fifty percent my tax dollars to support torture and war when I don't personally support either one, but a holy roller will cry foul if a few pennies of these dollars support birth control? They talk about how evil it is for an american woman to expect birth control from her health provider like it is an affront to God. If we as a nation can't reach a compromise on something as simple as that, what chance do we have on solving the more complex problems that face us?

There have been several threads where we try to figure out what is going on racially in our country. It nearly always turns into a shouting match between people who seem to hate one another. We as a nation have let ourselves become a group of different tribes rather than one people. I think this is the single biggest threat to America, and that this division of the american people make america a threat to the rest of the world.

I feel sure that I will see the usual suspects post here how I should smoke another one or some such shit but I am hoping to hear from some of the saner voices here.

We are at a crossroads for our country. This is not the time to try to cut down the government, rather a time when you need the government more than ever before.

We need to deal with how we feed our people when there are going to be fewer and fewer jobs. We need government to protect the people from the rich when they don't need us anymore to work their plants, armies and fields. What are workers supposed to do when there is no work and no safety nets?

As a nation we need to have this conversation but I only hear shouting and accusations. At the time we need reason the most, we get hatred and division instead.

 

[Skiddles2014]

Communist.

 

[unregistered]

 

[mikey2much]

I don't think it's Obama

Obama and his regime has spent the last six years dividing the nation by race, gender, class, and religion. It's about time you woke up.

I do think that Obama became a catalyst that merely brought the divisions into greater focus. Forget Obama and tell me why you are opposed to healthcare for the poor, and why a woman shouldn't have insurance covering her birth control.

 

[possum123]

Yes, America has been divided. Hasn't been conquered yet but it is just a matter of time.
The people are divided, the politicians are not divided. There isn't any such thing as two different parties. If people would just stop arguing with each other and take a good honest look at the two parties they would see they are the same.
Can either side remember anything one side has done that the other side has not done?
Can either side recall when was the last time there was an honest election or even an honest politician?
The U.S. is not any difference in any other country. Other countries have their ruling class and the U.S. does also. Other countries call their rulers king, we call ours president but there isn't any difference.
Maybe some day the democrats and republican party members will start judging their party leaders the same way they do the opposite party leaders. It won't happen soon and it may be too late. People are not getting any smarter so it probably won't ever happen.
It will take something to kill off at least half of the population of the world to get the attention of the people. Maybe it will be something that will only destroy the dumb ass people.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

We need a violent civil war to set things right. I mean a gut spiller. The feel of your bayonet in a libs guts has got to be heaven.

 

[patient1]

I think we have, but I would love to hear your opinion. I feel that we have let politics divide us.

Great point.

We are at a crossroads for our country. This is not the time to try to cut down the government, rather a time when you need the government more than ever before.

I strongly disagree. We are no longer in the cold war, when we all faced extinction at a moment's notice. We no longer need such a powerful president. We need wars to be declared by Congress only. We need Congress to make and pass budgets and an executive that can operate within a budget. We need everyone in government to respect their oaths of office to protect, preserve, and defend the Constitution.

The Patriot Act, besides being unconstitutional, is a recipe for Big Brother government. It forces you to pay for somebody to keep an eye on you. A government snoop for everyone! Full employment. Glorious, isn't it?


If our government weren't such a large pie of wealth and power, there wouldn't be as many fighting over it. We wouldn't be fighting so many wars, either.

What if government co-dependence is part of the problem?

 

[NeverEndingMe]

get a fucking job. who the fuck pays for 'state paid health coverage'? not your fucking kind, its the people working.

just look at Canada their health care system looks like America's in 1960

fucking lazy asshole

I think we have, but I would love to hear your opinion. I feel that we have let politics divide us. I don't pretend to understand why but the right has given all power to the rich to use for their selfish needs.

Why do we feel that we can't handle having state paid health coverage? Every other wealthy nation and many poor nations can manage it but for some reason a large part of our voting population feel it is a sin against everything we stand for.

Why is it alright for fifty percent my tax dollars to support torture and war when I don't personally support either one, but a holy roller will cry foul if a few pennies of these dollars support birth control? They talk about how evil it is for an american woman to expect birth control from her health provider like it is an affront to God. If we as a nation can't reach a compromise on something as simple as that, what chance do we have on solving the more complex problems that face us?

There have been several threads where we try to figure out what is going on racially in our country. It nearly always turns into a shouting match between people who seem to hate one another. We as a nation have let ourselves become a group of different tribes rather than one people. I think this is the single biggest threat to America, and that this division of the american people make america a threat to the rest of the world.

I feel sure that I will see the usual suspects post here how I should smoke another one or some such shit but I am hoping to hear from some of the saner voices here.

We are at a crossroads for our country. This is not the time to try to cut down the government, rather a time when you need the government more than ever before.

We need to deal with how we feed our people when there are going to be fewer and fewer jobs. We need government to protect the people from the rich when they don't need us anymore to work their plants, armies and fields. What are workers supposed to do when there is no work and no safety nets?

As a nation we need to have this conversation but I only hear shouting and accusations. At the time we need reason the most, we get hatred and division instead.

 

[BoyNextDoor]

Has America been divided and conquered ?

No. But the battles rages on.

 

[unregistered]

 

[Muscadine_Eyes]

I wouldn't expect anything good to come out of a political thread.

ETA: I do agree that we are divided like the gerrymandered districts that we vote in.

 

[NeverEndingMe]

since you don't want to pay your share, why don't you go to your neighbors and demand money from them to pay your rent too!


same thing...lazy obama fucktard

I think we have, but I would love to hear your opinion. I feel that we have let politics divide us. I don't pretend to understand why but the right has given all power to the rich to use for their selfish needs.

Why do we feel that we can't handle having state paid health coverage? Every other wealthy nation and many poor nations can manage it but for some reason a large part of our voting population feel it is a sin against everything we stand for.

Why is it alright for fifty percent my tax dollars to support torture and war when I don't personally support either one, but a holy roller will cry foul if a few pennies of these dollars support birth control? They talk about how evil it is for an american woman to expect birth control from her health provider like it is an affront to God. If we as a nation can't reach a compromise on something as simple as that, what chance do we have on solving the more complex problems that face us?

There have been several threads where we try to figure out what is going on racially in our country. It nearly always turns into a shouting match between people who seem to hate one another. We as a nation have let ourselves become a group of different tribes rather than one people. I think this is the single biggest threat to America, and that this division of the american people make america a threat to the rest of the world.

I feel sure that I will see the usual suspects post here how I should smoke another one or some such shit but I am hoping to hear from some of the saner voices here.

We are at a crossroads for our country. This is not the time to try to cut down the government, rather a time when you need the government more than ever before.

We need to deal with how we feed our people when there are going to be fewer and fewer jobs. We need government to protect the people from the rich when they don't need us anymore to work their plants, armies and fields. What are workers supposed to do when there is no work and no safety nets?

As a nation we need to have this conversation but I only hear shouting and accusations. At the time we need reason the most, we get hatred and division instead.

 

[Sean Renaud]

I think we have, but I would love to hear your opinion. I feel that we have let politics divide us. I don't pretend to understand why but the right has given all power to the rich to use for their selfish needs.

Why do we feel that we can't handle having state paid health coverage? Every other wealthy nation and many poor nations can manage it but for some reason a large part of our voting population feel it is a sin against everything we stand for.

Why is it alright for fifty percent my tax dollars to support torture and war when I don't personally support either one, but a holy roller will cry foul if a few pennies of these dollars support birth control? They talk about how evil it is for an american woman to expect birth control from her health provider like it is an affront to God. If we as a nation can't reach a compromise on something as simple as that, what chance do we have on solving the more complex problems that face us?

There have been several threads where we try to figure out what is going on racially in our country. It nearly always turns into a shouting match between people who seem to hate one another. We as a nation have let ourselves become a group of different tribes rather than one people. I think this is the single biggest threat to America, and that this division of the american people make america a threat to the rest of the world.

I feel sure that I will see the usual suspects post here how I should smoke another one or some such shit but I am hoping to hear from some of the saner voices here.

We are at a crossroads for our country. This is not the time to try to cut down the government, rather a time when you need the government more than ever before.

We need to deal with how we feed our people when there are going to be fewer and fewer jobs. We need government to protect the people from the rich when they don't need us anymore to work their plants, armies and fields. What are workers supposed to do when there is no work and no safety nets?

As a nation we need to have this conversation but I only hear shouting and accusations. At the time we need reason the most, we get hatred and division instead.

We've always been divided right from the start to be honest that's nothing new and while we can pull together when it becomes important so can damn near everybody else so that part is mostly alarmist BS not really related much to reality.

This is the time to expand government programs, we can afford them and we need them. Unfortunately over half of country is terrified to do anything that could be called socialist/communist. That's just the world we live in.

It's possible that our time is up but I doubt it, I think we can limp around for a long, long time.

Obama and his regime has spent the last six years dividing the nation by race, gender, class, and religion. It's about time you woke up.

Absolute tripe. Those divisions all existed long before Obama. At worst Obama has made some attempt to talk about them but honestly he's been far too silent on these divisions. He didn't punish the rich, he didn't help the poor, he didn't help blacks or Muslims. For the most part he's simply sat back and watched.

 

[RedAllan]

We need a violent civil war to set things right. I mean a gut spiller. The feel of your bayonet in a libs guts has got to be heaven.

In the UK too.

 

[ms_ann_thrope]

Yep.

http://www.50states.com/images/us_map.gif

 

[mikey2much]

JBJ You should hope it never comes to that

We need a violent civil war to set things right. I mean a gut spiller. The feel of your bayonet in a libs guts has got to be heaven.

Our last civil war didn't accomplish much, I am not sure another one would be any more help. The civil war was a hundred years old when I learned of it and I still hold it against the yankees today. I think most southerners do also. I guess the blacks gained something in the last civil war. We got rid of slavery, a crime that haunts our nation down to today. If we had a civil war who do you see on the opposing sides, non-whites against white or rich against poor. Either way you would be on the losing side.

I am a liberal and an ex paratrooper, You wouldn't want to be on the battlefield with me. You would be better off french kissing a rattlesnake than facing me on a battlefield. You do your best fighting from behind your computer.

We are looking for points of view not threats and extreme statements, so why don't you take a valium and sit back down in your rocking chair, someone will be alone to check on you soon.

 

[mikey2much]

Great point.
I strongly disagree. We are no longer in the cold war, when we all faced extinction at a moment's notice. We no longer need such a powerful president. We need wars to be declared by Congress only. We need Congress to make and pass budgets and an executive that can operate within a budget. We need everyone in government to respect their oaths of office to protect, preserve, and defend the Constitution. QUOTE]


We are not faced with other nations pointing missiles at us but in many ways we are at greater risk today than we were then. Our enemies back during the cold war were frightened by the concept of M.A.D. the guys who want to shoot shit at us today think they will go to paradise if they do the deed and die in the process. It's hard to win a war with people who don't mind dying.




[QUOTE
The Patriot Act, besides being unconstitutional, is a recipe for Big Brother government. It forces you to pay for somebody to keep an eye on you. A government snoop for everyone! Full employment. Glorious, isn't it? QUOTE]

I agree it should have never been passed

[QUOTE If our government weren't such a large pie of wealth and power, there wouldn't be as many fighting over it. We wouldn't be fighting so many wars, either.
What if government co-dependence is part of the problem?

To me we should be able to depend on our government. That is supposed to be what government is for, to help us with the problems that are too big to be handled individual citizens. For example roads, bridges and national defense. However we can't let religion make our laws, or influence their enforcement.

 

[possum123]

This is the time to expand government programs, we can afford them and we need them. Unfortunately over half of country is terrified to do anything that could be called socialist/communist. That's just the world we live in.

Sure we can afford them.
We already borrow more than we are worth. We already owe more than we will ever be able to pay.
People have decided they are more important than their children and grand children.
Our country is filled with identity thieves. They have stolen from their own family.

Within 6 months the politicians will again be arguing about how much more money we will have to borrow. One side will say we need it to keep our country going. The other side will want to stop them from borrowing a dime.
Then it won't be that much longer when it will change completely. The party that is trying so hard to stop the U.S. from borrowing more money will be the one that demands we borrow more. The party that now is wanting to borrow every cent we can will suddenly decide we do not need to borrow anything.
The party members of both parties will be right there to say their party is right. When their party wants to do just the opposite the party members will be right there to back them.

Not only are the politicians thieves, the people who elect them are also.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Sure we can afford them.
We already borrow more than we are worth. We already owe more than we will ever be able to pay.
People have decided they are more important than their children and grand children.
Our country is filled with identity thieves. They have stolen from their own family.

Within 6 months the politicians will again be arguing about how much more money we will have to borrow. One side will say we need it to keep our country going. The other side will want to stop them from borrowing a dime.
Then it won't be that much longer when it will change completely. The party that is trying so hard to stop the U.S. from borrowing more money will be the one that demands we borrow more. The party that now is wanting to borrow every cent we can will suddenly decide we do not need to borrow anything.
The party members of both parties will be right there to say their party is right. When their party wants to do just the opposite the party members will be right there to back them.

Not only are the politicians thieves, the people who elect them are also.

First we don't borrow more than we are "worth" we borrow moree than we tax but we could raise taxes easily. The fact that we don't is our own shortcoming. We have not decided we are more important than our children and grand children, we've just decided they'll be the ones fixing this mess but that's because we refuse however they won't get there without us.

That switch will not happen. The same sides have made the same argument for at least the last thirty years if not longer. There will be no switch.

 

[possum123]

First we don't borrow more than we are "worth" we borrow moree than we tax but we could raise taxes easily. The fact that we don't is our own shortcoming. We have not decided we are more important than our children and grand children, we've just decided they'll be the ones fixing this mess but that's because we refuse however they won't get there without us.

That switch will not happen. The same sides have made the same argument for at least the last thirty years if not longer. There will be no switch.

Spoken like someone who does not pay any taxes.
If you want to pay more taxes the IRS has a form for that.
All you have to do is put down the amount you want to pay and send along a check.
Not a whole lot of people do that. Most would rather the other person be forced to pay more.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Spoken like someone who does not pay any taxes.
If you want to pay more taxes the IRS has a form for that.
All you have to do is put down the amount you want to pay and send along a check.
Not a whole lot of people do that. Most would rather the other person be forced to pay more.

I pay taxes and I'm willing to pay more. However me kicking in extra won't solve the problem at all. IT has to come from everybody. That's just how these things work.

 

[possum123]

I pay taxes and I'm willing to pay more. However me kicking in extra won't solve the problem at all. IT has to come from everybody. That's just how these things work.

Again, spoken like a person who does not pay taxes.
You have decided you do not want to kick in a few extra bucks, even though you are willing to, but want others to be forced to pay more.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Again, spoken like a person who does not pay taxes.
You have decided you do not want to kick in a few extra bucks, even though you are willing to, but want others to be forced to pay more.

Think what you like, I do pay taxes. I have decided not to waste my money kicking in when it wouldn't make a difference. Yes I want people forced to pay more. That is what is necessary to keeping our country on track there can be no other way.

 

[possum123]

Think what you like, I do pay taxes. I have decided not to waste my money kicking in when it wouldn't make a difference. Yes I want people forced to pay more. That is what is necessary to keeping our country on track there can be no other way.

The same people who will be paying for this new plan were the same people who were paying in the first place. The working people were paying for the health care of those who didn't work.
With Gruber care it will be the same people paying but the price will be much higher now that the insurance companies want their cut.

 

[Sean Renaud]

The same people who will be paying for this new plan were the same people who were paying in the first place. The working people were paying for the health care of those who didn't work.
With Gruber care it will be the same people paying but the price will be much higher now that the insurance companies want their cut.

That's simply not true. It's more accurate to say the haves would be paying for the havenots. Which is frankly the only way this thing we call society works. I agree that the price is higher than it should be though I've seen no evidence that it's higher than it would have been without and plenty of reports suggesting that simply isn't true.