Harley Quinn

[emap]

Ok, this isn't really a story idea so much as I could use a teensy help.

Ok so for those of you not knowing Harley Quinn was a phsychiatrist for a supervillain, he seduces her and turns her into a supervillain, well more like a sidekick to a supervillain in Batman's world.

Ok so now my idea is based on that but not about her and him. It is heavily based on the story of her going from a shrink to a villain, with a decidedly literotica turn. Right now I don't need help with the story, i do however need help with the names, cause right now what I have is he is called Jokester and I don't know what her name is.

So now, come on give me a little help, toss out good names that aren't already taken by recent comics or movies.

 

[Username_In_Use]

Well you could always try Harle. Jokerster isn't too far off from Joker so I'm just assuming(probably wrongly) that you don't want to stray too far from the theme that the Joker and Harley Quinn provide.

 

[snoopercharmbrights]

... I ... need help with the names, cause right now what I have is he is called Jokester and I don't know what her name is. ...

Jocasta?

 

[emap]

I do wish to get away from the comic books. Jokester was the original name for Joker by the way, so would be best if I find a new one.

Snoopy I gotta ask, is Jocasta for him or her? Now if it's for her got a last name? Well I suppose that would work for a last name or first name so another name for her of either variety would be good.

 

[Sean Renaud]

I see no reason not to just use Joker and Harle, we have a Celebrity genre. If you insist on changing the name however.

Names for him: Jester, Prank, Laughs, Knock Knock, Pun Pun, Pierot(French for Clown. I presume it has a silent T but you may want to ask someone smarter or French)

Names for her: Jokerella, Jesterella, Parrot (she's mimicking him, also plays off her not knowing French and poorly translating his name), Arlechinno (Italian for Harlequin),

I still think you'd be infinitely better off tapping into the already existing and rich history of Batman.

 

[emap]

Well not really, I don't like those stories and this one would probably fall under the no way in hell are you avoiding a lawsuit category, I mean we are talking the way that she goes from a shrink to a villain with alot of sex in there. We are talking about a comic book character most people frown on sex in standard comics.

 

[snoopercharmbrights]

... I still think you'd be infinitely better off tapping into the already existing and rich history of Batman.

That would be simple theft of ideas.

Well not really, I don't like those stories and this one would probably fall under the no way in hell are you avoiding a lawsuit category, ...

Quite right.

Snoopy I gotta ask, is Jocasta for him or her? Now if it's for her got a last name?

In Greek mythology, Jocasta, also known as Jocaste (Greek: Iοκαστη), Epikastê, or Iokastê was a daughter of Menoeceus and Queen of Thebes. She was the wife of Laius, and mother of Œdipus by Laius. She was also sister of Creon. Later, of course, she married Œdipus, her son, and was mother of Antigone, Eteocles, Polynices and Ismene by him.

I thought it a peculiarly appropriate name for your character as it sounds similar to Jokester but involves an "Incest" and a "Loving Wife".

 

[emap]

I agree except it's a decidely feminine name and jokester is a male. OK darnit I'm starting to think of him more as that than anything else so new qualification, the artist wrongly called jokester.

Perhaps it will help a bit if I describe him a teensy, note he is rather influneced by joker but do please not say that.

I look up as the door opens and in walks one guard followed by a tall man, perhaps six foot two, somewhat lanky but with broad shoulders, a nose nicely framed by his face, a pronounced chin, blue eyes that at the same time peer through you and take in your body. His large hands clasped together a half smile on his lips looking for all the world like a man enjoying a nice sunday stroll through the park.

So any thoughts spring out at you or should I go on about him?

Side note I like Jocasta for her, but not real sure on as a first or last name, I'm leaning toward last name, though if you can give me a good last name that condensed makes a good name for the villain her I'll so jump on it.

 

[Sean Renaud]

You guys are aware of how parody laws function right? That even if DC somehow noticed your story (unlikely) and cared (even more unlikely, they'd probably just be jealous that you got to tell the story they've clearly wanted to tell since inventing the charachter. Seriously one episode has her in short lingerie on all fours asking if Joker wants to ride his Harley, Vroom Vroom. And that was a children's cartoon. Saturday Morning) that they still couldn't do shit because of the parody laws.

Of course it would be a theft of ideas but its not like emap is claiming anything else. She's simply doing what many comic authors have done over the years. Found a poorly defined period of history in a charachters life and decided to fill in the gaps. Changing the names around and keeping the charachters personalities and relations the same is still theft if slightly easier to defend theft. If you make a movie called Alien vs Hunter about animalistic aliens hunted by sophisticated inteligent aliens your still an idea theif. Course the last original idea was probably written by Shakespear so whatever.

Still we have a celebrity section here for a reason and this story is exactly that reason.

 

[emap]

Sean hold still for a second.

[Trout smacks Sean]

OK, the celebrity section is there for celebrity stories, where you take a famous name and put them doing something else. Which is covered in law as allowed. I could write a story of Joker and Harley having sex and put it in there and simply say it's exactly what it is, me adding in a sex scene they clearly wanted but didn't do.

This on the other hand is a completley different area. Yes I'm taking the basic idea of a psychiatrist being turned into a villain by a lunatic she was treating. See the difference is, they talk about how she is turned into Harley Quinn in the comics and in Batman: Arkham Asylum. It's not a complete blow by blow breakdown of what happens but they make it pretty clear. If I write this up using sex as a basis of why she is turned to villainy and use the copywrited names, I am breaking a big old law, because I'm taking two copywrited characters and rewriting the back story of one.

See celebrity only works when you don't rewrite a characters history. Putting say, Hayden in a cheerleader outfit and having sex with her show dad is fine, putting Hayden's character on Heroes as having sex with her dad would be a copywrite infringement because you are altering an established character without permission. Something of a grey area really in this case but darnit I am so gonna err on the side of not being sued.

 

[Sean Renaud]

If that were true the vast majority of fan fiction would be illegal. I could sit down and pull up countless stories here, most particularly on Buffy the Vampire Slayer where we have entire seasons written here but instead I'll cut to the chase. You made your decision, it doesn't really matter that you made it based on wrong information you still made your decision.

Also they would start by asking you to take it down, not by suiting you.

 

[emap]

So anybody got an actual name or something for me?

 

[vin_26m]

Call him King, as in the King of Comedy or the Joke King. Put a crown on him.

Call her Jester. She makes him laugh.

 

[snoopercharmbrights]

... if you can give me a good last name that condensed makes a good name for the villain her I'll so jump on it.

Don't do that. If you jump on it you'll squash it all out of shape.

 

[emap]

I so wasn't talking literally sheesh you gotta stop dipping into the brandy this early in the day.

Oh yeah bad snoopy no more name's for me.

 

[Username_In_Use]

Still kinda stealing a name but you could try Whoracle for the female name.

 

[Saucyminx]

Hiya sweetie,

A suggestion for him or her: Pitre Mourir (verb pitre means either to clown around or can be used as a noun for clown, Mourir is to die--both French) If you keep the weird spelling it sounds more feminine--if you change it to Peter. . . well you get the gyst.

For her: Dolores Shiavo (dolore means pain in Italian, Schiavo means slave.)

Both of these as according to Babelfish.

 

[Sean Renaud]

I do kinda like King as a name. Only problem is that it's a bit overused as a whole.

I still really like Pierot and Parrot.

Male: Rimshot, Punchline, Flatline (he knocks em dead!), Rofl, Loller, Hillarian,

 

[BedtimeStories77]

I'm starting this post stating that I pretty much don't know jack-shit about comics. (Save from seeing the late 80s/early 90s? Batman with Warren Batey and Madonna and Batman Returns, as well as the Toby McGuire first two Spiderman movies, and Unbreakable. Not even sure if the last one was based on real characters or not.)

That said, was there ever a female Villian named Poison Ivy? I've always thought Ivy was a pretty and alluring name for a female. So, maybe it's her first name (with last name to come later) and "Poison Ivy" being her villian nickname?

Otherwise...
Her

• Harlequin; with her real name being Harlee, Harleigh, or some other spelling.
• Djinn; with Jenie or various spelling as her real name.
• Any play off a Succubus or Demoness with Lilith as her real name.

I'll see if I can come up with any names for him. I guess I'm not that good at thinking up campy and/or comic sounding names.

 

[emap]

Hmmm, I don't know I rather like punchline, has a good feel, but dang I love Pitre Mourir, I'm assuming that translates to clown death yes?

No seriously think about it, a clownish guy would want to have a slightly misleading name that means something bad so a slightly feminine looking name would be a good choice.

I guess I gotta find a french person to tell me if it's supposed to be clown death or death clown. Cause death clown would sit better in english, but pitre mourir looks better.

Which means I'm down to one name, for her I have Jocasta but need another either a first or last.

Almost forgot, bed hun Poison Ivy is a villain in Batman, the comics, the cartoon and the game. Harley Quinn is a play on harlequin, her real name is Harley Quinnzell. Well real in the comic anyway.

Lilith isn't bad, though Lilith Jocasta would shorten to Liljo and well eeewwww, besides lilith wouldn't work so well as a villain name, been done lots, I mean heck if it's in the bible it's overdone. Also if anyone mentions Betty or Bethany I am so going to fly to where you are with a big frying pan and beating you with said frying pan until it breaks. I refuse to do Bettyjo.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Lillith's not REALLY in the Bible, not the traditionally accepted Bible at any rate. But I concur. That does bring in a whole new avenue of names though. We could bring in female demon names over the years.

If you're set on Jokesta (Personally it has to many sylables and has a "hard" for lack of better term sound. I think girls should have soft names with lots of vowels.)

I kinda like the way Jokesta Ra sounds. I'm not sure it matters if the phrase translates to Death Clown or Clown of Death is important. I mean most things don't translate cleanly from one language to another and thus nobody could REALLY argue with you over it. That's my take.

 

[emap]

Jocasta you goofball, not Jokesta.

 

[snoopercharmbrights]

... sheesh you gotta stop dipping into the brandy this early in the day ...

Hey - stop telling me what to do. It isn't "early in the day"; I prefer to think of it as late last night.

... Oh yeah bad snoopy no more name's for me.

What, pray, is the precise significance of the apostrophe in the word "name's", or is it just eligible for Plural not possessive?

 

[emap]

Plural as in more than one I think. I'm not sure you know how 'well' I understand the english language.

So anyway come on give me one more name, a first or last name though I am wanting a first name, Jocasta works so well as a last name.

 

[sunandshadow]

Are they still going to be super villains? Because if so their names should really go along with their costumes/symbolism/superpowers.