Happy Saddam Hussein Capture Day

[WriterDom]

May his journey to join his sons in the depths of hell be swift.

 

[A Desert Rose]

ABSOFUCKINGLUTELY!

Best wakeup news flash in a long, long time!

 

[navarre]

AMEN AMEN

 

[A Desert Rose]

I am sure that this is a special moment for those of you on this board who are our military veterans, and there are several of you that I am aware of.

It's most definately a wonderful day for me.

 

[WriterDom]

Ayet Bassem, who wore the traditional black cloak of religious Muslim women, was overcome with a sense of relief.


"Things will be better for my son," she said, clutching the hand of six-year-old Zenalbadin. "My son now has a future."

 

[redelicious]

Oh Hell yes!

I hope this means a shortened stay for our military in Iraq. Probably not, but I can hope.

 

[catalina_francisco]

While capture of dangerous people is reassuring, I still find it difficult to wish death upon anyone for whatever reason. I daresay if President Bush were captured by terrorists many would echo the same bloody sentiments, but it would be no more or less honorable in my way of living. Our enemies have family and friends the same as we do, they have their stories the same as we do, and they are human the same as we are. There was a quote once which I don't remember the exact wording of, but in meaning expressed the thought that a great leader can be measured in the dignity s/he allows the surrendered enemy and the humane treatment with which that surrender is handled. Two wrongs do not make a right and it is a dangerous frame of thought when we begin to think we have the right to give or take another's life and rejoice in the act. Feminism has a philosophy that process is as important as the product. Ridding the world of evil can be more like replacing one evil with yet another if handled incorrectly.

Catalina

 

[Howling_Ire]

i just hope that this means my friend Scott
and my friend Von's son
get to come home to us soon...

 

[Howling_Ire]

While capture of dangerous people is reassuring, I still find it difficult to wish death upon anyone for whatever reason. I daresay if President Bush were captured by terrorists many would echo the same bloody sentiments, but it would be no more or less honorable in my way of living. Our enemies have family and friends the same as we do, they have their stories the same as we do, and they are human the same as we are. There was a quote once which I don't remember the exact wording of, but in meaning expressed the thought that a great leader can be measured in the dignity s/he allows the surrendered enemy and the humane treatment with which that surrender is handled. Two wrongs do not make a right and it is a dangerous frame of thought when we begin to think we have the right to give or take another's life and rejoice in the act. Feminism has a philosophy that process is as important as the product. Ridding the world of evil can be more like replacing one evil with yet another if handled incorrectly.

Catalina

i agree with you here, this whole war has been rather jilted..i think american's ideas of what's acceptable losses and death in warefare are greatly clouded by the fact we haven't had a war on our own soil in over 100 years...we have had some bad things happen yes...but never the threat of blietzkreig from the sky.

 

[WriterDom]

As a general rule I oppose the death penalty, preferring life without parole. Timothy McVeigh changed my thinking on that. And for Saddam, it seems a fitting punishment for someone who killed 400,000 men, women, and children. I'd first turn him over to the Egyptians and let them barbecue all the info they could get out of him.

 

[catalina_francisco]

As a general rule I oppose the death penalty, preferring life without parole. Timothy McVeigh changed my thinking on that. And for Saddam, it seems a fitting punishment for someone who killed 400,000 men, women, and children. I'd first turn him over to the Egyptians and let them barbecue all the info they could get out of him.

Unfortunately it is human to want the revenge of killing someone we see as pure evil, but still does not make it right, nor does it often bring the peace of mind some expect it will. I think for the most part he should be judged by his own people. It is their reality, their former leader, their losses for all those years on a continuous basis, their reputation and honour, their country and culture. Hopefully giving the Iraqi nation that right will be the outcome but so far answering the questions about that happening, as well as the suggestions about American forces now being able to return home in the near future, have been avoided as if never asked. Hopefully that will change once all the initial excitement ebbs away to dealing with the reality of what has happened. Death of such a person could unleash a whole new wave of hatred and retribution upon the world, especially if executed at the hands of and by the US regime and culture.

Catalina

 

[Netzach]

If the Nuremberg trials were good enough for NAZIS I think, despite the assholes track record of genocide, international tribunal is good enough for him.

 

[Ezarc]

I think that his punishment should include the bdsm community using him as a training sub for inefectual Doms/Dommes.

 

[Desdemona]

I think that his punishment should include the bdsm community using him as a training sub for inefectual Doms/Dommes.

ROTFL

 

[NCShin]

May his journey to join his sons in the depths of hell be swift.

I disagree....I think that is should be as slow as is possible.

I hope they let Iraq try him as well. If he comes to the US he'll have too good of a life.

 

[A Desert Rose]

Re: Re: Happy Saddam Hussein Capture Day

I disagree....I think that is should be as slow as is possible.

I hope they let Iraq try him as well. If he comes to the US he'll have too good of a life.

It's been said ad nauseum today that he will be tried by the Iraqis in Iraq. He may well also be tried later by some kind world court.

I actually prefer Iraqi justice over ours too, where he is concerned. Barbarians can't be tried by our courts... like you said he would get too good a life in that case.

If you are responsible for the deaths of nearly a half a million of your own citizens, you deserve the justice meted out by them. Iraqis deserve this day in court with him.

 

[catalina_francisco]

If the Nuremberg trials were good enough for NAZIS I think, despite the assholes track record of genocide, international tribunal is good enough for him.

International perhaps, but I still favour him being tried by his own peers in his own culture. Apart from my belief this is fair, I think it also decreases to some degree the animosity which could be mustered in him being tried by those outside his culture.

Catalina

 

[Netzach]

Hm.

400 Kurds with ice picks, I like that idea, come to think of it.

 

[Netzach]

All fantasizing aside, the trial should not be in the US or solely in the west or reliant on westerners, I agree.

 

[Guest]

Unfortunately it is human to want the revenge of killing someone we see as pure evil, but still does not make it right, nor does it often bring the peace of mind some expect it will. I think for the most part he should be judged by his own people. It is their reality, their former leader, their losses for all those years on a continuous basis, their reputation and honour, their country and culture. Hopefully giving the Iraqi nation that right will be the outcome but so far answering the questions about that happening, as well as the suggestions about American forces now being able to return home in the near future, have been avoided as if never asked. Hopefully that will change once all the initial excitement ebbs away to dealing with the reality of what has happened. Death of such a person could unleash a whole new wave of hatred and retribution upon the world, especially if executed at the hands of and by the US regime and culture.

Catalina

Funny, the day that Saddam was captured, I ended up in a long discussion with several old friends.
Some were ex-military, some were other things.
We finally wound down to a couple of things.
(Note- this is all opinion)
Whether Saddam is executed or not, we will probably regret having taken him alive. And yes, we all know and (generally) agree that there really wasn't another option at the moment. Not for good troops.
If he is tried and executed, he will be a martyr. And a great big poster child for every person there who sees geurilla war as the only option left.
If he is held in prison.....essentially the same thing.
If he is held anywhere in the middle east things get really problematic.
I heard an estimate(from one of the new's talking heads) that if he was imprisoned in Iraq, that he would be back in controll of the country in 3 years.
The best option that any of us thought of, was to turn him over to the House of Saud. The guardians of Mecca. Let them try him under Islamic law.
Fitting eh?
THe only question is whether they would be willing to do so. They, being essentially moderates, have been having a bunch of their own problems.
This would however, get him a fair trial that the rest of the world could not argue with. Not even the French.
And probably a date with a sword in the public square.
Televised.
They still remove heads. Very efficiently.

It won't happen, the Bush administration is all het up to turn this into some kind of objective lesson. Which will probably bite the lot of us in the ass later.

But it would make this SO much simpler.

 

[catalina_francisco]

Funny, the day that Saddam was captured, I ended up in a long discussion with several old friends.
Some were ex-military, some were other things.
We finally wound down to a couple of things.
(Note- this is all opinion)
Whether Saddam is executed or not, we will probably regret having taken him alive. And yes, we all know and (generally) agree that there really wasn't another option at the moment. Not for good troops.
If he is tried and executed, he will be a martyr. And a great big poster child for every person there who sees geurilla war as the only option left.
If he is held in prison.....essentially the same thing.
If he is held anywhere in the middle east things get really problematic.
I heard an estimate(from one of the new's talking heads) that if he was imprisoned in Iraq, that he would be back in controll of the country in 3 years.
The best option that any of us thought of, was to turn him over to the House of Saud. The guardians of Mecca. Let them try him under Islamic law.
Fitting eh?
THe only question is whether they would be willing to do so. They, being essentially moderates, have been having a bunch of their own problems.
This would however, get him a fair trial that the rest of the world could not argue with. Not even the French.
And probably a date with a sword in the public square.
Televised.
They still remove heads. Very efficiently.

It won't happen, the Bush administration is all het up to turn this into some kind of objective lesson. Which will probably bite the lot of us in the ass later.

But it would make this SO much simpler.

So true.

 

[AngelicAssassin]

... Whether Saddam is executed or not, we will probably regret having taken him alive.

Our children won't if the actions following his capture shore up rather than undermine what we try to teach them, regardless from which culture we choose to teach.

If he is tried and executed, he will be a martyr. And a great big poster child for every person there who sees geurilla war as the only option left.

Those that use him as a poster child used guerilla warfare without his execution, and have done so since May 1st of this year.

The best option that any of us thought of, was to turn him over to the House of Saud. The guardians of Mecca. Let them try him under Islamic law.

i'll agree with minor reservations.

This would however, get him a fair trial that the rest of the world could not argue with. Not even the French.

i don't agree.

And probably a date with a sword in the public square.
Televised.They still remove heads. Very efficiently.

May your knife chip and shatter? Sorry, couldn't resist ... http://www.1st-vets.org/forum/images/smiles/icon_twisted.gif

 

[Guest]

I wouldn't ahve been able to resist that one either.......