Gun "Man" Not Charged.

[Virtual_Burlesque]

"A seven-year-old boy who used a pellet gun to shoot at other children in his school playground is facing disciplinary action but no criminal charges."

If the above statement sounds like an unrealistically merciful reaction, you will be pleased to know that the incident did not occur in this country.


Story

 

[Guest]

That's pretty horrific, actually.

The parents of the other children should press civil charges.

Schools in the midwest are encouraging parents to file criminal and/or civil cases against the parents of violent students.

With hands tied in so many ways, this may be the only way schools can achieve results.

 

[group4573]

[spam/advertising prohibited per our forum guidelines]

 

[Lisa Denton]

"A seven-year-old boy who used a pellet gun to shoot at other children in his school playground is facing disciplinary action but no criminal charges."

If the above statement sounds like an unrealistically merciful reaction, you will be pleased to know that the incident did not occur in this country.


Story

They just put spankings on a 60 day hold on the school district here as they try to determine if it is cruel punishment, it was only allowed with the parents permission. So I guess a spanking would be out of the question if it were here, and the No Child Left Behind Policy of course would never allow for him to be suspended. The teachers of course would be unable to verbally abuse him for merely shooting his classmates as they attempt to learn.

I dunno, parents of course can't always be to blame, but when you tie the police's hands, the teachers hands and the school districts hands and say they can't disipline a child. Maybe the parents should have to drop their pants and bend over and let this little angel take aim and work out his frustrations on those who at least should have seen a problem first.

Fire away if you see the opening I gave you.

 

[Evil Alpaca]

Good News!

Dear Sir or Madam,

Do you know how simple it is to go to Heaven when this life is over?

Some people believe that belonging to a local church, temple, mosque or synagogue will get them to Heaven.

Others believe that water baptism, obeying the ten commandments or just being a good person will get them to Heaven.

There are many other beliefs as well, but the good news about God's way to Heaven is found in the Holy Bible.

The good news is that God came from Heaven to earth in the person of Jesus Christ over 2000 years ago and died for our sins(misdeeds). He was born in the land of Israel supernaturally to a virgin Jewish woman named Mary. He lived a sinless life for thirty-three years and then sacrificed His sinless blood and died on a cross to pay the death penalty for our sins. After Jesus was placed in a tomb He rose from the dead three days later as He said He would. The Holy Bible also tells us that Jesus Christ ascended into Heaven and that all who accept Him as their Lord and Saviour will live forever with Him in Heaven where there is no more death, sorrow, sickness and pain.

The Bible says, "For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life through Christ Jesus our Lord." (Romans 6:23)

This verse in the Bible says, "For ALL HAVE SINNED, and come short of the glory of God." (Romans 3:23)

This verse says, "But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us." (Romans 5:8)

In this passage the Bible clearly explains how to be saved and on your way to Heaven, "For if you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you WILL BE SAVED." (Romans 10:9)

You can be saved right now and on your way to Heaven if you will open your heart to Jesus and pray the following prayer out loud:

Dear Jesus Christ, I want to be saved so that I can have a home in Heaven when this life is over. I agree with You that I am a sinner. I believe You love me and want to save me. I believe that You bled and died on the cross to pay the penalty for my sins. I believe that You rose from the dead. Please forgive my sins and come into my heart and be my Lord and Saviour. Thank You Lord Jesus Christ for forgiving me and saving me through Your merciful grace. Amen.

You are now a Christian if you said the prayer and allowed God to save you. Welcome to the family of God.

Salvation is not a reward but a gift. The Bible says it this way, "For it is by GRACE you have been SAVED, through FAITH and this not from yourselves, it is the GIFT of God." (Ephesians 2:8)

Nothing in this world is more important than your eternal destiny.

The Bible says, "In Him(Jesus) we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins..." (Ephesians 1:7)

If you have not yet made a decision to be saved, please do so now before it is too late. The reason why it is so important to be saved now is because you do not know exactly when you will die. You may die prematurely in a traffic accident, terrorist attack or some other way before you get another chance to be saved.

The Bible tells us that we will spend eternity in Heaven or a place of eternal torment called Hell. It would be terrible to die and go to Hell when all you have to do is accept Jesus Christ as your personal Lord and Saviour.

Some people that have already made Jesus Christ their Lord and Saviour worry about losing their salvation. The Bible teaches Christians that we can never lose our salvation no matter what happens.

The Bible says it this way, "My dear children, I write this to you so that you will not sin. But if anybody does sin, we have one who speaks to the Father in our defense -- Jesus Christ, the Righteous One." (1John 2:1)



http://www.tbn.org/index.php/8/1.html << Click Link For Free Movies!

Yeah, but will I get a free phone-clock and a set of steak knives?

 

[Evil Alpaca]

Re: Re: Gun "Man" Not Charged.

They just put spankings on a 60 day hold on the school district here as they try to determine if it is cruel punishment, it was only allowed with the parents permission. So I guess a spanking would be out of the question if it were here, and the No Child Left Behind Policy of course would never allow for him to be suspended. The teachers of course would be unable to verbally abuse him for merely shooting his classmates as they attempt to learn.

I dunno, parents of course can't always be to blame, but when you tie the police's hands, the teachers hands and the school districts hands and say they can't disipline a child. Maybe the parents should have to drop their pants and bend over and let this little angel take aim and work out his frustrations on those who at least should have seen a problem first.

Fire away if you see the opening I gave you.

So many difficult bondage references . . . difficult to choose . . .

 

[Lisa Denton]

Re: Re: Re: Gun "Man" Not Charged.

So many difficult bondage references . . . difficult to choose . . .

You and I think alike.



I just wonder what kind of message will be sent to this child over this incident, and if that message will tell him it might get his wrist slapped if, when he is nine, he brings a shotgun to school and kills a few teachers and students he doesn't like.

 

[rgraham666]

Maybe we ought to take a strap to the kids parents first?

 

[Lisa Denton]

Maybe we ought to take a strap to the kids parents first?

Thats where I was goin RG but I didn't have the courage to say it "I salute you."

 

[R. Richard]

Maybe we ought to take a strap to the kids parents first?

I do not support physical punishment for the child's parents. However, they have obviously not learned the lessons they were taught in high school. They should be forced to return to 9th grade and repeat all of the lessons that they did not learn the first time through the 9th through 12th grade. Guaranteed, the refresher course would cure the problem.

 

[scheherazade_79]

These days children are untouchable. When a kid who's under 16 commits a criminal offence in the UK, more often than not the police will advise the headteacher of their school to deal with it, as schools are able to 'do' more than the police. And even then, all schools can dish out as punishment is a string of detentions - but not too many, as it may interfere with that child's human rights.

A few years ago where I live, there was a 14 year old boy who took an air gun to school and shot another pupil in the eye. The headteacher did his level best to get rid of the boy for good - but was over-ruled and within a week the boy was back in class.

It's called "inclusion", and in blunt terms it means that fucked up individuals have the right to fuck up the education of anyone unfortunate enough to be in their class. When standards fall and not even government statistics and spin can make the situation look better, teachers get blamed.

So why are there so many fucked up kids these days? Many reasons, and I'm afraid I'm probably going to offend a lot of people by listing them. But I'm afraid it's time somebody came out and told the truth:

1. Divorce - like it or lump it, but divorce screws kids up. It causes emotional and behavioural problems that ALWAYS spill out into school.

2. Lower infant death rates - medical advances mean that children with things wrong with them tend to survive these days, whereas years ago they would have died.

3. Bad parenting - to many parents, teachers, like the police, are the Enemy. Even when faced with indisputable evidence that their offspring have been bastards from hell, they'll still side with the kid...

4. Human Rights - these days children have far more rights than adults, and they know it. Therein lies the problem.


And the trouble is, whenever you have fucked up kids in a class and they're seen to be 'getting away' with things, other good kids decide to have a go, too. And before you know it you have a chaotic education system, rather like the one we have now, where exams are made easier to conceal the fact that teachers are too busy dealing with bad behaviour to teach.

And the problem isn't just within school hours. Ever wonder why the British government started paying people to train as teachers? I'll let you in on a little secret - it's a job that leaves you more vulnerable than any in the whole world.

Teachers and other workers with young people have stringent police checks before they're even allowed to cross the school threshold. This is for the privilege of working with children who have histories of violent assaults on adults and drug abuse - but of course, teachers and other, good pupils are never told who these children are.

Similarly, when a child decides to stalk a teacher out of school hours, or throw eggs at their house, or shout abuse at them in the street, VERY LITTLE can be done to stop them. However, if a teacher so much as thought about throwing an egg back at a pupil, not only would they lose their job but they'd probably serve a custodial sentence and be demonised by the tabloids.

There have also been countless cases of children making false accusations against members of staff. And what happens to them when they're found out to be evil, lying little bastards? Nothing. But of course, something of a question mark will always hover over the adult in question.

So that's the way the cookie crumbles. This is the society we've created. There are lots of good kids out there, but unfortunately they don't get fair play to learn - at least not in the state sector.

My solution? I have several:

Borstal
Compulsory parenting classes
Sterilisation of unfit parents
Corporal punishment
Reduction of benefits

The 'feminisation' of society has been given more than enough time to prove itself, and unfortunately it doesn't work. The result so far is a generation of children who struggle with the basics of spelling and punctuation, and make everyone's life a misery.

Cruel, but true.

 

[scheherazade_79]

And by the way - since when have the God Squad been subscribers to erotic websites????

 

[Guest]

I don't know anymore about this than the news article relates. I don't know Canada well either, but it seems all the people involved are responding in a rather civilized manner. As for judging the school authorities, Canadian law or the parents, I would need to know more. Re. the parents and the child I would need to know them very well before pronouncing judgement or suggesting penalties, e.g., does the boy have a history of violence? a grave anger issue? are the parents severely neglectful? was the gun the boy's or did he sneak it out? did the boy learn this action from TV? etc., etc.

Perdita

 

[rgraham666]

And by the way - since when have the God Squad been subscribers to erotic websites????

Ever since they decided to 'save' us.

Not sure if I agree with you sche. I was raised in an old fashioned school system. It was, and still is, an endless source of misery to me. I was the round peg trying to fit into a square hole and I got a lot of hammering to trying make me fit.

Even under that system, the bullies got away with a lot. As long as they were violent to me and the other misfits the bullies didn't face any consequences.

And my parents didn't divorce, but they should have. My home life would have been more fun if I had grown up in the Congo during the Mau Mau period.

It's no wonder I dropped out and moved to the other end of the country at 17. And was everyone involved relieved. They could now disavow all knowledge of me.

Personally, I don't things are worse now than they were back then. We just hear about it more often thanks to modern media. When I got beaten up forty years ago, it didn't make the two TV news shows, the six radio channels, the two newspapers or get shouted over the Net. Now we have three times as many TV channels, plus cable channels, twice as many papers, about 40 radio stations and the Net. And that's just here in Toronto. No wonder we're more likely to hear about things.

We also now have ridiculously high expectations. So high, they can never be met. And so we're always disappointed.

 

[scheherazade_79]

As for the case at the start of this thread, I still say - give the little bastard a sound hiding.

 

[Evil Alpaca]

And by the way - since when have the God Squad been subscribers to erotic websites????

Not sure. It's why I decided to mock them.

 

[scheherazade_79]

Ever since they decided to 'save' us.

Not sure if I agree with you sche. I was raised in an old fashioned school system. It was, and still is, an endless source of misery to me. I was the round peg trying to fit into a square hole and I got a lot of hammering to trying make me fit.

Even under that system, the bullies got away with a lot. As long as they were violent to me and the other misfits the bullies didn't face any consequences.

And my parents didn't divorce, but they should have. My home life would have been more fun if I had grown up in the Congo during the Mau Mau period.

It's no wonder I dropped out and moved to the other end of the country at 17. And was everyone involved relieved. They could now disavow all knowledge of me.

Personally, I don't things are worse now than they were back then. We just hear about it more often thanks to modern media. When I got beaten up forty years ago, it didn't make the two TV news shows, the six radio channels, the two newspapers or get shouted over the Net. Now we have three times as many TV channels, plus cable channels, twice as many papers, about 40 radio stations and the Net. And that's just here in Toronto. No wonder we're more likely to hear about things.

We also now have ridiculously high expectations. So high, they can never be met. And so we're always disappointed.

Might be different in Canada, but in the UK things are close to breaking point in the school system. I've seen things from both sides of the fence and I've seen the deterioration.

 

[Evil Alpaca]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Gun "Man" Not Charged.

You and I think alike.



I just wonder what kind of message will be sent to this child over this incident, and if that message will tell him it might get his wrist slapped if, when he is nine, he brings a shotgun to school and kills a few teachers and students he doesn't like.

You know what they say about great minds . . .

 

[rgraham666]

Can't reply to the British school system. don't know enough about it.

I hear lots of people here say the same thing about the Canadian educational system. But they almost always have an ideological drum to beat. 'Take us back to the good old days, when kids learned their place.'

I always have to restrain myself from giving them a taste of their own medicine.

As I pointed out, I grew up in the 'good old days'. All I learned was to hate and fear people in authourity.

 

[ABSTRUSE]

And by the way - since when have the God Squad been subscribers to erotic websites????

Thank you, I thought Jesus just stoked up the PR.

anyhoo.......I was enraged over the news in Philly where the police arrested and cuffed a 10 yr old girl who brought scissors to school. They apologized later.

What do we define as extreme these days?

 

[Virtual_Burlesque]

. . . 2. Lower infant death rates - medical advances mean that children with things wrong with them tend to survive these days, whereas years ago they would have died . . .

You list this as though it were a BAD thing.

. . . 4. Human Rights - these days children have far more rights than adults, and they know it. Therein lies the problem. . .

You have obviously not been a kid with a problem at any time within your memory.

. . . it seems all the people involved are responding in a rather civilized manner. . .

This was why I posted the story. Unlike the kid who faced a year in jaiil for having a re-enactment Civil War Musket in his vehicle in the school parking lot, which happened in New Jersy not so very long ago.

 

[gauchecritic]

oustanding set of olde worlde answers to modern questions there Scheh.

Very inflamatory and outmoded, as good an oldschool, knee-jerk reaction to a societal problem as I've ever seen.

Fixing leaks by putting down a bucket never has, and never will solve such complex problems.

To be inflamatory myself I'll just point out the real problem (in my view) which would take a time machine or bloody revolution to put right. Two words: Margaret Thatcher. (two more words: Rupert Murdoch)

Costly societal mistakes in the Thatcher years which have been, not only left undone, but also unaddressed.

On behalf of The and others, another two words (equally blameworthy in light of the above): Tony Blair.

There is but one solution, long term and more expensive than anyone would be willing to pay. MONEY.

The main thing that most politicians (and others) fail to understand in their myopic view of wealth is something Dolly (as in Hello Dolly) quotes from a rich relative. "Money is like manure, it don't do no good unless you spread it around."

Spreading it on personal tax relief, schools, the army, a nanny state, personal pensions, income tax, cigarettes and booze or given freely from street corners all amount to the same thing eventually. Circulation.

The people who will circulate it best are those with least.

(Hmm, sounds a bit socialist that. From those who have, to those who have-not)

Naughty kids to the communist manifesto in one fell swoop.

Maybe someone told the kid there was no Santa?

 

[Lisa Denton]

Ever since they decided to 'save' us.

Not sure if I agree with you sche. I was raised in an old fashioned school system. It was, and still is, an endless source of misery to me. I was the round peg trying to fit into a square hole and I got a lot of hammering to trying make me fit.

Even under that system, the bullies got away with a lot. As long as they were violent to me and the other misfits the bullies didn't face any consequences.

And my parents didn't divorce, but they should have. My home life would have been more fun if I had grown up in the Congo during the Mau Mau period.

It's no wonder I dropped out and moved to the other end of the country at 17. And was everyone involved relieved. They could now disavow all knowledge of me.

Personally, I don't things are worse now than they were back then. We just hear about it more often thanks to modern media. When I got beaten up forty years ago, it didn't make the two TV news shows, the six radio channels, the two newspapers or get shouted over the Net. Now we have three times as many TV channels, plus cable channels, twice as many papers, about 40 radio stations and the Net. And that's just here in Toronto. No wonder we're more likely to hear about things.

We also now have ridiculously high expectations. So high, they can never be met. And so we're always disappointed.

You are so right RG, and the media probably plays a bigger role in this than any of us realize. The child knows he won't make the news with a school-yard fist-fight. So he starts blasting away with a pellet gun, probably hoping for eye shots to blind a few seven year olds, Big News.

I cannot go along with some people saying lets get extreme with all kids.

But I do think some children need extreme measures, seperation from innocent children who need eyes to see the black-board.

The No Children Held Back Policy and other versions of it in other countries often means an entire class is held back because one child will not allow the others to learn and the teacher cannot seperate him from the rest. Its a form of trying to save one so much that you punish the entire class. Seperating one child from the rest, continuing his education in a facility able to deal with him (Somebody put a suggestion here) and then returning him to the regular class when he is able to at least allow the other children to learn is fuckin extreme, and neccesary.

And the police HAVE to become involved in schools, even if you want to say o.k. fuck all kids but don't hold THIS ONE back, if the teachers don't get protection there will be no fuckin teachers.

Sorry, I wasn't quite as pissed as that sounds but I know some teachers, most soon to be ex-teachers.