Gun Control or what?

[JackLuis]

Obama’s gun control plan ignores the excesses of US arms industry

AL-Jazz takes on the topic.

At least 430 people have been killed and more than 1,200 others injured in 338 mass shootings in the United States so far this year. An estimated 400,000 Americans have been shot and killed since 9/11.

On Oct. 1, a few hours after a 26-year-old gunman murdered nine people and injured 20 others at Umpqua Community College in Roseburg, Oregon, a visibly agitated President Barack Obama addressed a grieving nation — the 15th such statement he has given since taking office. “We’ve become numb to this,” he said from the White House. He’s right.

He has repeatedly called for tighter gun control laws — a desire shared by many Americans. However, any meaningful attempt at introducing stricter background checks on purchasers, for example, has fallen on deaf ears. “When Americans are killed in mine disasters,” lamented Obama, “we work to make mines safer. When Americans are killed in floods and hurricanes, we make communities safer … the notion that gun violence is somehow different … doesn't make sense.”

His focus on the plight of shooting victims, however noble, exposes another, less discussed form of national numbness. The United States’ arms trade with countries that violate the human rights of their citizens is a major contributor to the armed violence that has gripped the Middle East, especially since the 2003 U.S.-led invasion of Iraq.

The answer is simple: It’s a political choice. The U.S. is one of the largest suppliers of weapons to India, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates, all of which are strategically important but have dismal human rights records.

For example, this month the U.S. agreed to sell $1.29 billion worth of air-to-ground munitions to Saudi Arabia. This adds to the arms deal announced on Sept. 30 to sell advanced air and missile defense systems worth $1.75 billion to Riyadh. The deal ignored Amnesty International’s call for the U.S. to halt its arms trade with Saudi Arabia, citing concerns over war crimes in Yemen, where the Saudis are conducting a controversial military campaign against Houthi rebels.

In addition, the rapid rise of the Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant (ISIL) is in part the result of its ability to acquire modern weaponry from various sources.

ISIL commandeered some of these weapons from Iraqi forces that were trained and armed by the U.S. and its allies. Some weapons were bought on the black market, and according to The New York Times, Turkey and Saudi Arabia supplied some in a bid to destabilize the regime of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad. Arms the U.S. shipped to the Free Syrian Army have also ended up in ISIL’s hands.

Pot-Kettle, background checks in America, but who gives a fuck everywhere else?

 

[Hard_Rom]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arms_industry#World.27s_largest_arms_exporters

1 United States 10194
2 Russia 5971
3 China 1978
4 France 1200
5 Germany 1110
6 United Kingdom 1083
7 Israel 1074
8 Spain 824
9 Italy 786
10 Ukraine 664
11 Netherlands 561
12 Sweden 394
13 Switzerland 350
14 Turkey 274
15 Canada 234

Since 9/11 Germany has tripled arm sales, Spain went from practically no arms industry to 8th place, Canada doubled its numbers. G8 industrialized nations all there. Unless your banging of AK clones arms industry is high tech stuff.

 

[JackLuis]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arms_industry#World.27s_largest_arms_exporters

1 United States 10194
2 Russia 5971
3 China 1978
4 France 1200
5 Germany 1110
6 United Kingdom 1083
7 Israel 1074
8 Spain 824
9 Italy 786
10 Ukraine 664
11 Netherlands 561
12 Sweden 394
13 Switzerland 350
14 Turkey 274
15 Canada 234

Since 9/11 Germany has tripled arm sales, Spain went from practically no arms industry to 8th place, Canada doubled its numbers. G8 industrialized nations all there. Unless your banging of AK clones arms industry is high tech stuff.

Let me add:

The units in this table are so-called trend indicator values expressed in millions of U.S. dollars at 1990s prices.

I didn't know if that was in units of AR/AK's or furlongs of foreskin so I looked it up.

You're welcome.

 

[NOIRTRASH]

The method to the madness is more Muslims and blacks get murdered by friends & family when guns are everywhere.

Heres my plan if you elect me President.

I'll move all white Americans to Puerto Rico, Hawaii, Key West, Virgin Islands, Guam, etc. and turn all the coloreds lose with guns. Places like Detroit and New Orleans and Chicago and DC will be villages within two weeks.

 

[NOIRTRASH]

O'Bwana says he plans to put old mail drop boxes in every black neighborhood so people can surrender their guns without fear of arrest.

 

[sexnovella]

Shit

That is a lot of guns.

 

[Hard_Rom]

O'Bwana says he plans to put old mail drop boxes in every black neighborhood so people can surrender their guns without fear of arrest.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toron...amnesty-blitz-long-rifles-hand-guns-1.3336584

Toronto police gun amnesty blitz rakes in 86 long rifles, 22 hand guns
More than 8,000 rounds of ammunition also surrendered to police

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamil...2-firearms-in-6-week-amnesty-effort-1.3303723

Hamilton Police collect 152 firearms in 6-week amnesty effort

 

[NeverEndingMe]

obama is a fucktard

liberals are mentally fucked

those that follow obama are mentally retarded

car's kill and murder more people than Guns ...

Obama’s gun control plan ignores the excesses of US arms industry

AL-Jazz takes on the topic.





Pot-Kettle, background checks in America, but who gives a fuck everywhere else?

 

[klippert]

Gun control...use two hands.. keep both eyes on your target. expect the first shot to be low and left...adjust accordingly

France has one of the strictest Gun law in the world...123 Dead. Great Idea. Gun control just gives bad guys more victims...

 

[oggbashan]

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toron...amnesty-blitz-long-rifles-hand-guns-1.3336584

Toronto police gun amnesty blitz rakes in 86 long rifles, 22 hand guns
More than 8,000 rounds of ammunition also surrendered to police

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamil...2-firearms-in-6-week-amnesty-effort-1.3303723

Hamilton Police collect 152 firearms in 6-week amnesty effort

I remember a gun amnesty in Australia in the early 1960s. Guns and ammunition could be taken to any police station with no questions asked.

The first day was quiet until the press got some of the stories. An outback policeman came back to his office to find that someone had left a box of a couple of dozen rusting hand grenades on his doorstep. Some Japanese crew-served machine guns had been handed in to a suburban Sydney Police Station.

After the first press reports, the situation became farcical as people tried to outdo each other.

In Northern New South Wales a farmer drove a tractor to his local police station towing a 25 pounder field gun with limber full of shells. The next day the same police station received a fully operational Sherman tank with its full armament and shell stock.

Light and heavy machine guns were commonplace. Hand grenades, demolition satchel charges, rifles and hand guns were surrendered almost anywhere.

One Queensland scrap dealer wanted the Police to collect six ten inch rifled naval guns with armour piercing shells. The difficulty was that they were mounted in three turrets weighing 80 tons each - but they were fully operational.

Most were described as "war souvenirs". We could understand a hand gun as a war souvenir, but heavy artillery?

 

[NeverEndingMe]

politicans that love gun control ... Hitlar, Stalin, Cuba ... obama

see the pattern?

I remember a gun amnesty in Australia in the early 1960s. Guns and ammunition could be taken to any police station with no questions asked.

The first day was quiet until the press got some of the stories. An outback policeman came back to his office to find that someone had left a box of a couple of dozen rusting hand grenades on his doorstep. Some Japanese crew-served machine guns had been handed in to a suburban Sydney Police Station.

After the first press reports, the situation became farcical as people tried to outdo each other.

In Northern New South Wales a farmer drove a tractor to his local police station towing a 25 pounder field gun with limber full of shells. The next day the same police station received a fully operational Sherman tank with its full armament and shell stock.

Light and heavy machine guns were commonplace. Hand grenades, demolition satchel charges, rifles and hand guns were surrendered almost anywhere.

One Queensland scrap dealer wanted the Police to collect six ten inch rifled naval guns with armour piercing shells. The difficulty was that they were mounted in three turrets weighing 80 tons each - but they were fully operational.

Most were described as "war souvenirs". We could understand a hand gun as a war souvenir, but heavy artillery?

 

[JackLuis]

Obama says US has to ‘do something’ about guns after Colorado shooting

“We have to do something about the easy accessibility of weapons of war on our streets to people who have no business wielding them. Period,” Obama said in a statement. “Enough is enough.”

Maybe not sending shiploads of them to assholes all over the world might help?

 

[Tongue_Twisted]

Nope. The "gun control" crowd has proven time and again that they are not to be trusted. Don't give in an inch. Not a single fucking inch

 

[BoyNextDoor]

Anyone that wants a gun should be able to get one without fear of undue process, as soon as they pass a background check for past criminal activity, demonstrate they are not being prescribed any psychotropic or SSRI drugs, pass gun safety training and subsequently register said gun and all guns in their possession with the local sheriff or law enforcement and take out insurance on said guns against any damages if they are ever found to be used in the commission of a felony.

You can and should have a gun, or as many as you want with all the clips you want and bullets and that other shit, as long as you are demonstrably responsible for it and its use.

 

[NOIRTRASH]

During Prohibition Al Capone owned all the booze.

 

[PoppingTom]

You can and should have a gun, or as many as you want with all the clips you want and bullets and that other shit, as long as you are demonstrably responsible for it and its use.

You mean like Zimmermann?

 

[NeverEndingMe]

You mean like Zimmermann?

I'm sure that nut can kick your ass

which wold be a good thing as your socialist kind need help

 

[Sean Renaud]

Anyone that wants a gun should be able to get one without fear of undue process, as soon as they pass a background check for past criminal activity, demonstrate they are not being prescribed any psychotropic or SSRI drugs, pass gun safety training and subsequently register said gun and all guns in their possession with the local sheriff or law enforcement and take out insurance on said guns against any damages if they are ever found to be used in the commission of a felony.

You can and should have a gun, or as many as you want with all the clips you want and bullets and that other shit, as long as you are demonstrably responsible for it and its use.

Not that I necessarily disagree but that's both a HUGE amount of government expansion and largely defeats the actual reason Americans want to have guns. Registering with any government agency means that Big Brother knows who has what, guess what? When Hitler v 6.66 comes out he'll know who isolate first. Additionally you think Adolf "Marximum Carnage" Stalin won't invent and enforce crimes to keep the evil Pig Dogs on the do not arm list? Cus believe me if I was in charge and wanted to disarm a a swath of my population it wouldn't be too difficult to find something that people do everyday and twice on Sunday that is probably already illegal.

I'm not necessarily against insurance but again how long do you have to report it stolen? Is there an amnesty if it's friends or family? Cus I'm not gonna lie I don't shoot any of my guns on a daily or weekly basis. And no SINGLE gun is used on a monthly basis. I could very easily go six months without so much as looking at any random one.

 

[JackLuis]

Perhaps if you use a gun to kill someone, like that guy did in the church. They should just use your gun to blow your brains out. It would save a lot of money on upkeep and be a deterrent to would ass holes, like the yahoos in Minnesota.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Without knowing which guy in which church I can only say that it might save some money but that's about it. And the 'it might save some money' is heavily dependent on the idea that he couldn't be martyred. If for example you're talking about that guy who shot up a historically black church several months back i can't imagine Eric Holder and Obama executing a white guy who claimes we are in a race war playing out well with his crazy as shit friends. That just sounds a lot like kicking a beehive to me and sure you might have the means to deal with a swarm of bees but that doesn't make kicking the hive wise.

The reality is that we can compare international crime rates for murder and be fairly certain that the Death Penalty doesn't deter people from killing. Because most murders fall under a few categories, spur of the moment passion when you aren't thinking about the consequences whatever they may be. In which case a plate of fresh baked brownies and public execution by Brazen Bull (google it bitches!) probably have roughly the same amount of strength as a deterrent. The second are people who think they are (and obviously occasionally are) smarter than the police and in which case deterrents may force them to come up with a better plan and maybe some of them stop because they realize this shit won't work out and it ain't worth the risk. But really arrogant bastards is arrogant bastard and thinks he can get away with it.

It will encourage various martyr types. I mean if your goal is to die by cop well promising them it will work certainly isn't going to DECREASE them in any significant way.

But hey there's always the best case scenario where nothing goes wrong.

 

[Nathan_Brazil]

Sorry, but

The paranoia runs thick in these ones...

 

[Nathan_Brazil]

Gun owner

Yes, I'm a gun owner. I've got a .22 match rifle with peep sights and a .12 gauge shotgun... And I guess I now own the 30/30 that my father owned.

That said...

Most gun owners are pants-wetting cowards.

They are afraid of bad guys breaking in. Terrified of the other. They positively wet themselves at the idea of danger, and then they get a tiny little woody and tell themselves how fucking brave and tough that they are.

Its a vicious circle. Watch news. Wet pants. Buy more ammo. Tell themselves lies.

It would be funny to watch if so many of their wives and children didn't die.

 

[mark_j]

Yes, I'm a gun owner. I've got a .22 match rifle with peep sights and a .12 gauge shotgun... And I guess I now own the 30/30 that my father owned.

That said...

Most gun owners are pants-wetting cowards.

They are afraid of bad guys breaking in. Terrified of the other. They positively wet themselves at the idea of danger, and then they get a tiny little woody and tell themselves how fucking brave and tough that they are.

Its a vicious circle. Watch news. Wet pants. Buy more ammo. Tell themselves lies.

It would be funny to watch if so many of their wives and children didn't die.

So you are the ONE tough guy right?

 

[Sean Renaud]

So you are the ONE tough guy right?

Guess it depends on your idea of tough. I can handle myself last I checked. Reliable stats on gun owners are difficult to gather. If we look at the correlation of data (which may mean absolutely fuck all) that assumption isn't entirely off. The number of guns in the country continues to rise especially under Obama. Every time he winks funny sales sky rocket. That said all the data also suggests that the number of households with a weapon in the house is decreasing. Which suggests that fewer and fewer people are owning more and more guns. Which in turn could be at least contributing to the overall decrease in violence. Fewer people actually have access than before. (Though I doubt that is it. I happen to be naive enough to think the world is simply a better place now than it was before since crime is falling pretty much everywhere in the industrialized world it's clearly not anything any one country is doing in particular. But there could be all sorts of things piling in on top of each other.)

 

[janj0n]

"That said all the data also suggests that the number of households with a weapon in the house is decreasing."???

I read the same statement, yes that has been SAID, I'm not sure that makes it true. So what events and circumstances explain why significant numbers of households have divested themselves of their firearms? If one were to put that sort of statement out there it would seem entirely appropriate to at the same time have investigated and present the reasons why.

Seems to me that an axe is being ground here, it's being put forth that people who already have way too many weapons are acquiring even more whilst sensible loving caring people are ridding themselves of them, and if you wish to consider yourself part of the latter group, you should likewise join them in not having arms. And, not incidentally, support the taking of the weapons of the former group.

But I could be wrong...