Guantanamo Bay: Hasta Luego?

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Found this tonight...

Book of poetry gives detainees a voice
By Nafeesa Syeed

Associated Press

DES MOINES, Iowa - The story behind a book of poetry written by Guantanamo detainees could be as compelling as the poems themselves.
Prisoners, denied pens and paper, wrote some of the poems by scratching verses onto foam cups with pebbles. Other poems were translated into English by linguists with security clearances but no literary credentials.

"It was a long and draining project," said Marc Falkoff, a law professor who represents 18 detainees.

The University of Iowa Press will release Poems From Guantanamo: The Detainees Speak on Aug. 15. The volume features 22 poems by 17 detainees.

The compilation grew out of letters from prisoners to Falkoff, a professor at Northern Illinois University who represents one Pakistani and 17 Yemeni detainees. Last year, he received a letter written in verse, prompting him to check with other lawyers and discover that many Guantanamo prisoners were writing poetry.

Falkoff, a former literature professor, hoped that publishing the poetry would provide a fuller understanding of the inmates. But first the work had to endure a gantlet of government censors, who would not release much of the work.

Lawyers initially sent poems written in the detainees' original Arabic and Pashto to a center near Washington, where translators with security clearances produced English versions. Government officials then determined whether the poems could be released in either their original or translated versions.

The Pentagon reviews all documents sent between attorneys and detainees to decide whether to classify the information because of concerns that prisoners will send hidden messages, said Navy Lt. Cmdr. Chito Peppler, a Defense Department spokesman. There also were concerns that poems could reveal private details about Guantanamo, such as interrogation tactics or camp routines.

About a dozen lawyers submitted more than 40 prisoner poems. Officials cleared roughly 30 of them, but most only in English. Some of the approved poems were held from the book at the request of prisoners, often out of fear publication would hurt their cases, Falkoff said.

Some poems in the book have been reworked by detainees who have since been released or by language experts who revised translations if the original Arabic or Pashto were available.

Still, the poems could be flawed, said Flagg Miller, an assistant religious-studies professor at the University of California, Davis, who helped rewrite Arabic translations in the book. Although translators are proficient in the language, Miller said they cannot be expected to have the skills to pick up on literary nuances.

The translations may also have suffered from linguists who usually work in rushed environments, he said.

"That creates a huge impediment to the original voices," he said. "That said . . . these poems allow a far more complex picture of these folks than we've had before."

Falkoff said detainees, some of whom have been in custody for five years without a court hearing, turned to poetry to express their frustration and yearning. For many, it was a way to persevere.

"None of these poems were written with the expectation that they would be read perhaps beyond a small circle of their fellow prisoners," he said. "Some of the poems are exceptional, absolutely stunning."


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I just don't know what to think anymore. I'm glad these prisoners can be given some sort of voice, and yet at the same time, you know that America ran one of its never-ending supply of bleach pens over the whole damn thing (as stated in the article). Forgive the idiocy, but doesn't that almost negate the entire purpose? Or is it better to take what we can get?

I'm very torn about this "closing Guantanamo Bay" situation. Even if it is technically shuts down, will it ever really be closed?
At the risk of sounding too maudlin, I'm going to say that everything I read and find out about the subject only serves to depress me further.

How to deal with this stuff? It truly distresses me. All of the past actions, the present plans, and the future fuck-ups.

Can anyone really have unwavering patriotism? How can someone explain away every horrible plan, deed, and act carried out by one nation and truly accept and love their country exactly as is?
Is that possible?
How do we acknowledge the bad, embrace the good, and try to do better?

I know all of this probably sounds very naive, but it's a struggle; feeling as though you can be proactive and yet sensing that you may not be making an ounce of difference.

Perhaps it's just been that kind of a night.
 
Honestly I am still trying to remember where the good is, or was rather. Think about it like this, we continue to give money to about half of the nations of the world, generally as an 'aid' to said countries, yet looking about the world, they very look like they are getting no aid.

Now granted that is not terribly the fault of the US, however, if say someone in the government got off their ass for more than the trip to the bathroom they could fix this problem and see the funds go to where it is needed not into the pockets of the people in charge who supposedly care.

If you ever say go to a reservation you will feel like you just went to one of the countries receiving the phantom aid because they don't get anything besides a check in the mail. Take a walk into the not expensive section of town or your state, and you will see something very sickening, homeless men, women, and children. They do get enough food to survive, in Arizona they generally have ways of staying alive, luckily for them in the winter it generally does not quite get cold enough to kill you without a heater. Not that you would beleive it if you tried.

The house up the street from us is we think selling drugs, hookers are standing around on corners and in front of a Carls Jr. Said Carls is about 2 miles from us. Hookers actually I don't care a whole lot about, they don't hurt anyone besides themselves and their customers, the drug dealing on the other hand I care about. We have alot of kids in the neighborhood, and while the dealers won't do anything to said kids, the people buying will, going slow is not something they do.

Toss onto that, we went to war with a country that was not doing anything, may or may not have aided terrorists, though just about every country in the middle east has aided and housed terrorists, about half of the people in charge got in charge because of guerrila action which is a form of terrorism. We aren't going after them are we. Depending on who you ask every country in the middle east does terrorism of some sort, Israel included. Personally I rather beleive it though they are better than most of them.

A few other things I could bring up that are rather more important than say, what Paris Hilton had for breakfast. :rolleyes:

The problem is, the government can't do anything because politicians always make sure to consider the point of view of everyone when it comes to making a decision, which means they take two years to decide on redesigning the ashtrays, then another 2 years designing said ashtrays to be not offensive, not dangerous and work. Which really, is not possible but try telling that to congress.

Which leaves good things to be done by the people, but finding said good deeds is near impossible. For one, the news does not report on good things very often, they just report on what gets them ratings, which is car chases, police brutality and stupid things like the winner of the ugliest dog competition.

Of course not to say there is a lack of car chases, police brutality, warranted and not, or stupid things. I mean look around the channels, you got reality shows where they shove people onto an island with nothing besides a camera crew, get generally crappy food items as a prize for a contest that shows who is the dumbest or strongest. You get reality shows where people dance, sing or stand up comedy, generally very badly until halfway through the season. You have soap opera's, which really sadly are better and more intelligent than the reality shows. You get the murder solving shows, CSI, Law and Order, Monk, and you get the comedy shows, Mad TV, and Blue Collar TV.

Comedies generally make fun of the stupidity, sad part, every time they talk about something, you can tick off like 5 people you know or are related to that do that exact thing. I am depressed and laughing madly at Blue Collar because they describe most of my family and me. Crack jokes I am used to it, I crack them myself no matter how stupid something is I have a relative who has or would do that.

Nothing on TV talks about doing good things, besides some of the syndicated shows that are no longer being made just showed still and certain times on regular news, court TV sadly enough shows more good things being done than any other station we get. The missing, now dead pregnant woman with all those people who went and searched for her being the latest. Hmmm actually only thing I have caught this week in the way of a good deed.
 
shereads said:
Without Guantanamo, Cuba will seem like a foreign country.
What will we do when we need to film a war drama about the corrupt inner-workings of America's armed forces?
Was A Few Good Men really enough? Will it sustain us? :cool:
 
bluebell7 said:
What will we do when we need to film a war drama about the corrupt inner-workings of America's armed forces?
Was A Few Good Men really enough? Will it sustain us? :cool:

One movie is never enough to get the point across. It takes many movies over many years, hammering the point home. The message needs to be shouted over and over again and again, through movie after movie after miniseries after miniseries. It has to be more repetitive than what I am saying for it to work. It has to be said more times than I can say it right now, over and over again. It has to be repeated in as many ways as possible, and then said all over again, for the message inside to get across, and be heard, and be remembered.

It's like an old pr 70s comic book :D
 
bluebell7 said:
What will we do when we need to film a war drama about the corrupt inner-workings of America's armed forces?
Was A Few Good Men really enough? Will it sustain us? :cool:

You can't handle the truth.
 
i'm sure there will be some memoirs, though i gather some have had to vow silence to get out.

here's a idea, a reason not to completely close Guantanamo.

after discharging the Muslims,, I think it should be keep ready for the members of the Bush administration--in its final monthes-- who, under suspicion, are not being forthcoming about their misdeeds.
 
TheeGoatPig said:
One movie is never enough to get the point across. It takes many movies over many years, hammering the point home. The message needs to be shouted over and over again and again, through movie after movie after miniseries after miniseries. It has to be more repetitive than what I am saying for it to work. It has to be said more times than I can say it right now, over and over again. It has to be repeated in as many ways as possible, and then said all over again, for the message inside to get across, and be heard, and be remembered.

It's like an old pr 70s comic book :D
I really could kiss you for that.

shereads said:
You can't handle the truth.
No, but I can handle my scientology, dammit!
Darn. That's so not in the movie.
 
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