Grammar Police- are you guilty of any of these?

Cheyenne

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Okay, I admit to getting caught on one or two of these. How about you? :)

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GOOD GRAMMAR IS SWEET MUSIC TO ANY LANGUAGE-LOVER'S EARS


DEAR ABBY:
I wish you would run your collection of "pet peeves" again.
Seventy years ago I learned to conjugate verbs, and I am
amazed at the number of people who use "got" when they should say "have." Thank you. -- MR. J.W. ANDERSON, LEVITTOWN, PA.


P.S. Remember, Abby, "Got has got to go!"


DEAR MR. ANDERSON:
It has been nearly 10 years since these rules of basic grammar
appeared in my column -- and we can all use this refresher
course. Read on:


DEAR READERS:
A while back, I wrote a column on the misuse of words and
other irritants and named a few. I then asked readers to send
their pet peeves concerning common mistakes in grammar and
pronunciation. How's this for a collection?


The "lie" and "lay" confusion: To "lay" means to set or put;
to "lie" means to recline. Remember, chickens lay eggs. People
lie down.


The use of "all are not" when the person means "not all are."
Example: Saying, "All women are not beautiful," when one means, "Not all women are beautiful."


We frequently hear "between you and I." Wrong! It's "between
you and me." Another irritant is "try and" instead of "try
to." For example, one may try to win -- then lose. But how
can one try and win -- and then lose?


One hears supposedly educated people say "between she and I"
instead of the correct "between her and me."


And how about the word "irregardless"? Just plain "regardless"
will do, but regardless of how "irregardless" grates on one's
nerves, it has nosed its way into the dictionary. (It means
"regardless.")


Talk about overusing a word, I nominate "basically." People
who start every other sentence with the word "basically"
usually have limited vocabularies.


My pet peeve -- double negatives: "I don't know nothing" and
"We don't go nowhere" are the worst offenders.


Some people think the plural of "you" is "youse." It's not.
"You" is both singular and plural.


The word "forte" (meaning strong point) is pronounced "fort"
-- not for-tay.

Also, people use the word "snuck" instead of "sneaked."
Although "snuck" somehow sneaked into the dictionary, it's
not used by people who use proper English.


Ask someone to define "hoi polloi," and it's a good bet that
he will say "high-tone or upper class." Actually, it means
"the masses" -- or the general population.


"Nuclear" is pronounced "nuke-lee-er," not "nuke-you-ler"!


And how about "he's got," "she's got" and "they've got"? The
better word is "has." ("He has," "she has," etc.) "Got" has
got to go!


The month of February has two "R's" in it, but we keep hear-
ing "Feb-yoo-ary."


We frequently hear that a man has "prostrate" trouble, when
actually he has "pros-tate" trouble.


Another error -- using the word "myself" instead of "me."
Example: "If you have any questions, see Bobby or myself
after the meeting." "See Bobby or me" is correct.


The "infer" and "imply" mix-up: The writer "implies"; the
reader "infers." (It's like pitching and catching.)


Please do not say "o" instead of "zero." Or use the word
"that" when "who" is correct. ("That" refers to inanimate
objects, "who" to people.)


Now, lend me your ear: Don't use "loan" as a verb, as in,
"Loan me a 20." It should be, "Lend me a 20." "Loan" is a
noun; "lend" is a verb.


Finally, the misuse of the word "ask": Some say "ax" instead
of "ask." I would much rather be "asked" than "axed." Wouldn't
you?


Pauline Phillips and her daughter Jeanne Phillips share the
pseudonym Abigail Van Buren. Write Dear Abby at
<a href="http://www.uexpress.com/dearabby/dearabby_form.cfm"
">www.DearAbby.com</a> or P.O. Box 69440, Los Angeles, CA 90069.
 
Cheyenne said:
Okay, I admit to getting caught on one or two of these. How about you? :)

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

GOOD GRAMMAR IS SWEET MUSIC TO ANY LANGUAGE-LOVER'S EARS


OMG Another person who believes in good grammar!

:D
 
I always hated

"She is one of our better students" instead of "She is one of our best students."
 
Cheyenne said:

The "lie" and "lay" confusion: To "lay" means to set or put;
to "lie" means to recline. Remember, chickens lay eggs. People
lie down.

The word "forte" (meaning strong point) is pronounced "fort"
-- not for-tay.

The month of February has two "R's" in it, but we keep hear-
ing "Feb-yoo-ary."

We frequently hear that a man has "prostrate" trouble, when
actually he has "pros-tate" trouble.

Lol my parents actually call me the Grammar Police sometimes, but I too am a multiple offender. The lay vs. lie thing, for example. In fact, I PMed just pet a while ago and I think I used the wrong word. However, for some of the pronunciations, I think Abbey has gone a bit overboard. Asked vs. axed is an obvious one, but those as subtle as "February" and "prostrate" are more difficult to weed out. Those are consonant combinations that many Americans find hard to produce with their tongues. I don't think our speech patterns really allow for the appropriate "r" in each of those words to be pronounced the "proper" way. It's like the way most Spanish speakers can't produce the "st-" in the front of words. They say things like "estar" instead of "star" and "esteal" instead of "steal." Also like how some American's can't roll their r's. It's just a matter of ability, not laziness.

Oh, and I'm a chronic offender when it comes to "forte" -- I had no idea it was pronounced as "fort" and not as "for-tay"! However, I won't change because I like it my way, it sounds better.
 
I think the pronunciation suggestions are interesting but of limited value. Americans will pronounce “Moscow” differently from the British, but only the Russians can decide which is right.

My pet hates are massive and oblivious.

You cannot have a massive hole. Massive, by definition, means “with great mass”. To be oblivious does not mean you are unaware, if you’re oblivious to a danger then you’re aware of it but just not reacting to it.

That said, my contribution here is scuppered by the fact that I’m the world’s worst speller.
 
Sixth said:
I think the pronunciation suggestions are interesting but of limited value. Americans will pronounce “Moscow” differently from the British, but only the Russians can decide which is right.

You could very well be right about the validity of my suggestions -- sometimes I go a little linguistics crazy... But do you know anyone who actually pronounces the "r"s in question in "February" and "prostrate"? Lol maybe I'm just from an uneducated part of the States, but I don't think I ever have...
 
BustyTheClown said:
Sixth said:
I think the pronunciation suggestions are interesting but of limited value. Americans will pronounce “Moscow” differently from the British, but only the Russians can decide which is right.

You could very well be right about the validity of my suggestions -- sometimes I go a little linguistics crazy... But do you know anyone who actually pronounces the "r"s in question in "February" and "prostrate"? Lol maybe I'm just from an uneducated part of the States, but I don't think I ever have...

No! I don't. The missing Rrrs. Hmm.
 
BustyTheClown said:
Sixth said:
But do you know anyone who actually pronounces the "r"s in question in "February" and "prostrate"? Lol maybe I'm just from an uneducated part of the States, but I don't think I ever have...

Ha, you just caught yourself! You don't hear the "r" in "prostrate" because there IS NO "R" IN "PROSTATE." :D :p


But, most people DO pronounce the "r" that isn't there. My dad had prostate surgery so I learned a lot more about it than I ever thought I would. The first thing I learned was how to say it.
 
Cheyenne said:


Ha, you just caught yourself! You don't hear the "r" in "prostrate" because there IS NO "R" IN "PROSTATE." :D :p


But, most people DO pronounce the "r" that isn't there. My dad had prostate surgery so I learned a lot more about it than I ever thought I would. The first thing I learned was how to say it.

DAMN! lol Well now I feel stupid... <wanders off>
 
BustyTheClown said:


DAMN! lol Well now I feel stupid... <wanders off>

Don't do that!

I don't pronounce the "r" in February. At least not very often, only if I'm thinking about it and remember that it should be there.

Now we're even. :D
 
Cheyenne said:
Don't do that!

I don't pronounce the "r" in February. At least not very often, only if I'm thinking about it and remember that it should be there.

Now we're even. :D

Sounds good to me. :D I always thought the "r" in February was silent, anyway, like the t in "sorbet" or something.
 
I'm printing your original list and posting it on my classroom wall tomorrow.
I've heard "brung" instead of brought so many times from students. I once corrected a rather backwoods country boy on that one. He came in the next day and informed me that his mother wanted him to tell me that "brung" was most certainly a word!
 
BustyTheClown said:


DAMN! lol Well now I feel stupid... <wanders off>

Don't feel stupid... because PROSTATE and PROSTRATE are TWO DIFFERENT WORDS!! lol

Prostate is a body part....

and...

Prostrate:
1 : stretched out with face on the ground in adoration or submission; also : lying flat
2 : completely overcome and lacking vitality, will, or power to rise <was prostrate from the heat>

I mentioned elsewhere that I was a super dork.. :D
 
blech. prescriptive grammar. language it a constantly changing entity. lots of these rules were created in the 1700s by linguists who wanted english to function more like latin. while i don't refute the importance of learning grammar, i find the grammar police pointless :)
 
red_rose said:


Don't feel stupid... because PROSTATE and PROSTRATE are TWO DIFFERENT WORDS!! lol

Prostate is a body part....

and...

Prostrate:
1 : stretched out with face on the ground in adoration or submission; also : lying flat
2 : completely overcome and lacking vitality, will, or power to rise <was prostrate from the heat>

I mentioned elsewhere that I was a super dork.. :D

There is absolutely nothing wrong with being a dork! They are the loveliest of women, and the strangest of men. Together they create all the magnificence that is man!

PS Thank god for spell checker!
 
seXieleXie said:
blech. prescriptive grammar. language it a constantly changing entity. lots of these rules were created in the 1700s by linguists who wanted english to function more like latin. while i don't refute the importance of learning grammar, i find the grammar police pointless :)

Obviously! :p
 
Sir Alex 4 U said:


There is absolutely nothing wrong with being a dork! They are the loveliest of women, and the strangest of men. Together they create all the magnificence that is man!

PS Thank god for spell checker!

lol... thanks, Alex. ;)
 
Cheyenne said:
The word "forte" (meaning strong point) is pronounced "fort"
-- not for-tay.


Also, people use the word "snuck" instead of "sneaked."
Although "snuck" somehow sneaked into the dictionary, it's
not used by people who use proper English.


Now, lend me your ear: Don't use "loan" as a verb, as in,
"Loan me a 20." It should be, "Lend me a 20." "Loan" is a
noun; "lend" is a verb.



for-tay is an acceptable pronunciation of forte.

I'm guilty of "snuck" and "loan", though.
 
Northern Lights said:
for-tay is an acceptable pronunciation of forte.
I think the confusion comes in because the word for "one's strength" is from the French, where the final vowel wouldn't be pronounced. The musical term forte is from the Italian, where it should be sounded. Herein lays (let me check that -- ok) one of the weird things about English: we capture words from other languages and leave them in their original spelling, even if we modify the meaning.

And I've always pronounced the first 'r' in February. I may have a mixed-up Irish/New Jersey accent modified with a decade of Kentucky drawl, but I ain't never left off no letters.
 
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