Government Favors Blacks

[1fromawoodpile]

Black America represents just 10% of the civilian workforce.

However, Black Americans compromise 18% of all Federal workers.

25% of all employees at Treasury and Veteran Affairs
31% of all State Department employees
37% of all Education Department employees
38% of all HUD employees
42% of EEOC and Pension Benefit Guaranty Corporation (a Federal Gov office)
55% of all Government Printing Office employees
82% of Court Services and Offender Supervision Agency employees

Ridiculous, though maybe the last one (Court Services and Offenders) is most appropriate.

 

[moonglow18f]

Ridiculous, though maybe the last one (Court Services and Offenders *SUPERVISION AGENCY EMPLOYEES*) is most appropriate

Fixed it for you.

Misconstruing facts to slide in a racist insult does not benefit any argument.

 

[1fromawoodpile]

Fixed it for you.

Misconstruing facts to slide in a racist insult does not benefit any argument.

What facts are misconstrued about Affirmative Action and quota based hiring in America; especially within the Federal Government.

 

[moonglow18f]

Depends on the number of words purposefully left out when presenting those facts as a way of both sneaking in an insult and turning an argument towards your agenda.

I have no knowledge of the facts you present or their accuracy. My problem was how they were presented, and I know I come off as snide having said that but it wasn't my intention.

 

[1fromawoodpile]

There is absolutely no reason for the racial makeup of any Federal agency or department to feature such a dramatic skew in favor of African Americans.

Why would 31% of all State Department employees be Black? Blacks represent 10% of the national work force. Were there too few White applicants? Not enough qualified Whites? I don't buy it.

It is Affirmative Action originating from the "Great Society" run wild.

Race, ethnic and gender quotas are, in fact, reverse discrimination and need to be eliminated!

 

[patrick1]

This is a very belated use of a blog by Patrick Buchanan, which he then amplified in interview. I haven't read any evidence that these statistics show some sort of outcome of hiring policies.

Interestingly, looking at the statistics from a gender-based viewpoint, the difference between African-Americans and 'whites' in US fed employment is accounted for enitrely by a difference in *female* employment. White males and African-American males are roughly equal in percentage terms.

<< White women make up 33.7% of the civilian labor force, but only 26.6% of the federal work force. African-American women, on the other hand, are only 5.7% of the civilian labor force, but 10.3% of the federal work force. White males account for 39% of both the civilian and federal work forces.>>

(http://www.allgov.com/Where_is_the_..._Underrepresented_in_Federal_Workforce_100728)

The average pay for African-Americans in federal employment is considerably below that for whites, and their representation at senior levels is less than their percentage of the working population.

In addition Hispanics are actually under-represented in federal employment: 'Hispanics account for 13 percent of U.S. workers and only 7.9 percent of federal employees.'

(http://diverseeducation.com/article/13286/)
(http://dailychamber.com/2011/03/11/attacks-on-federal-pay-disportionately-affects-african-americans/)

I'm not clear how these further facts fit with the poster's agenda.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

A huge problem for females and minorities is affirmative action.

Affirmative action limits workers to two career tracks: I call one of them WAITING FOR SANTA, the other I call UP UP & OUT. Within the first group the female or black or gay is a round peg in a round hole. And they stay in their AA hole until a miracle or retirement comes along. People from the 2nd group get frequent promotions till theyre Special Assistants to God and their positions are budget cut, then out the door they go. Its an AA conveyor belt.

 

[miles]

This is a very belated use of a blog by Patrick Buchanan, which he then amplified in interview. I haven't read any evidence that these statistics show some sort of outcome of hiring policies.

Interestingly, looking at the statistics from a gender-based viewpoint, the difference between African-Americans and 'whites' in US fed employment is accounted for enitrely by a difference in *female* employment. White males and African-American males are roughly equal in percentage terms.

<< White women make up 33.7% of the civilian labor force, but only 26.6% of the federal work force. African-American women, on the other hand, are only 5.7% of the civilian labor force, but 10.3% of the federal work force. White males account for 39% of both the civilian and federal work forces.>>

(http://www.allgov.com/Where_is_the_..._Underrepresented_in_Federal_Workforce_100728)

The average pay for African-Americans in federal employment is considerably below that for whites, and their representation at senior levels is less than their percentage of the working population.

In addition Hispanics are actually under-represented in federal employment: 'Hispanics account for 13 percent of U.S. workers and only 7.9 percent of federal employees.'


I'm not clear how these further facts fit with the poster's agenda.

I'm pretty clear on the agenda of the first source you linked. Here are a few more of their headlines:

• Rush Limbaugh Supported Joseph Kony…Really
• Consumers blast GM Foundation gift to group fighting climate science
• Occupy Wall Street is many things, but one thing it's not is partisan
• Mitt Romney’s High Cost per Vote: $17.14

"Everything our Government Does" is the website.

 

[RightField]

Black America represents just 10% of the civilian workforce.

However, Black Americans compromise 18% of all Federal workers.

25% of all employees at Treasury and Veteran Affairs
31% of all State Department employees
37% of all Education Department employees
38% of all HUD employees
42% of EEOC and Pension Benefit Guaranty Corporation (a Federal Gov office)
55% of all Government Printing Office employees
82% of Court Services and Offender Supervision Agency employees

Ridiculous, though maybe the last one (Court Services and Offenders) is most appropriate.

To be fair....

DC has a very large % black population so while the % may be much higher than the general population, as a % of the DC and close suburbs, it's probably low.

Someone else mentioned that the average pay is much lower. That's logical too if you look at the education levels in comparison and the jobs that lots of the "locals" are doing....guards, secretaries, etc.

Most of these people are good, hardworking government employees. I think it's an accurate reflection and I don't have any issue with it at all.

 

[Lord_Steve]

To be fair....

DC has a very large % black population so while the % may be much higher than the general population, as a % of the DC and close suburbs, it's probably low.

Someone else mentioned that the average pay is much lower. That's logical too if you look at the education levels in comparison and the jobs that lots of the "locals" are doing....guards, secretaries, etc.

Most of these people are good, hardworking government employees. I think it's an accurate reflection and I don't have any issue with it at all.

dang i knew i liked you for a reason.

 

[Frizzle_Fry]

Black America represents just 10% of the civilian workforce.

However, Black Americans compromise 18% of all Federal workers.

25% of all employees at Treasury and Veteran Affairs
31% of all State Department employees
37% of all Education Department employees
38% of all HUD employees
42% of EEOC and Pension Benefit Guaranty Corporation (a Federal Gov office)
55% of all Government Printing Office employees
82% of Court Services and Offender Supervision Agency employees

Ridiculous, though maybe the last one (Court Services and Offenders) is most appropriate.

Boo hoo....who want's to work for the gov anyhow? It fucking sucks....

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Blacks do government a huge favor. They keep cops busy, courts busy, prisons busy, special ed busy, social workers busy, the list is a long one.

 

[patrick1]

I'm pretty clear on the agenda of the first source you linked. Here are a few more of their headlines:

• Rush Limbaugh Supported Joseph Kony…Really
• Consumers blast GM Foundation gift to group fighting climate science
• Occupy Wall Street is many things, but one thing it's not is partisan
• Mitt Romney’s High Cost per Vote: $17.14

"Everything our Government Does" is the website.

I quite agree they have a very particular agenda, but that doesn't change the factual analysis they used, which is all I quoted.

 

[1fromawoodpile]

Boo hoo....who want's to work for the gov anyhow? It fucking sucks....

Really?

Federal civil servants earned average pay and benefits of $123,049 in 2009 while private workers (i.e. public sector) earned $61,051 average total compensation.

Moreover, the federal compensation advantage over public sector employees has grown from $30,415 in 2000 to $61,998 last year.

Plus you never get fired from a Fed job!

Sure does suck...For the tax payer.

 

[1fromawoodpile]

To be fair....

DC has a very large % black population so while the % may be much higher than the general population, as a % of the DC and close suburbs, it's probably low.

Someone else mentioned that the average pay is much lower. That's logical too if you look at the education levels in comparison and the jobs that lots of the "locals" are doing....guards, secretaries, etc.

Most of these people are good, hardworking government employees. I think it's an accurate reflection and I don't have any issue with it at all.

Your stupid if you don't have an issue with it.

The average federal civil servant wage and benefit package is $123,049 as of 2009.

The average public sector employee wage and benefit package is $61,051.

The federal compensation advantage versus private sector employees has grown from $30,415 in 2000 to $61,998 today.

That's right the AVERAGE wage and benefit package is $123,049.

So much for the theory of a lot of low paid federal clerical workers...

 

[patrick1]

Really?

Federal civil servants earned average pay and benefits of $123,049 in 2009 while private workers (i.e. public sector) earned $61,051 average total compensation.

Moreover, the federal compensation advantage over public sector employees has grown from $30,415 in 2000 to $61,998 last year.

Plus you never get fired from a Fed job!

Sure does suck...For the tax payer.

These figures have been widely re-quoted but they don't say anything meaningful. They don't compare like with like.

The Heritage Foundation and factcheck.org have both done closely-argued analyses of the true position. (http://www.heritage.org/research/re...ns-are-overtaxed-to-overpay-the-civil-service) (http://www.factcheck.org/2010/12/are-federal-workers-overpaid/)

While Factcheck ostensibly tries to avoid taking a position, and Heritage are a rightwing group specifically advocating reducing the federal wage bill, the two agree on a number of points:

- you can't just compare averages like this
- the lump-sum average for federal employees mistakenly includes benefits for retirees so is inflated
- the average federal worker is more highly-educated than the average private-sector worker and it's reasonable to expect that to show in differentiating incomes; and the job profile of the two sectors is not the same so not easily comparable
- if you compare like jobs with like jobs, the lower-paid, i.e jobs requiring less qualifications and experience, get a better deal in federal government and the higher-paid get a worse deal.
- federal employees do indeed have greater job security than the private sector and this is hard to quantify.

There you go.

 

[1fromawoodpile]

By the same token, you can toss in all the UAW and other labor/retirement benefits on the public sector side.

No matter how you slice it there is something inherently wrong for Federal employees to far outpace public sector employees in both wages and benefits.

That is unless you are a fan of paying for government.

We need a real freeze on Federal wages including grade steps, etc,. as part of a deficit reduction plan. Firing a lot of them (I'd start with HUD) would help too!

Finally, you can't factually argue that American government employment hasn't grown, or their wages increased, while the rest of the country enjoys the worst recession and jobless period since the Great Depression.

BTW: The source is Dennis Cauchon "Federal Pay Tops Private Workers: Compensation Gap Doubled in Decade." USA Today, August 10, 2010.

 

[Derpmael]

derp.

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[Comshaw]

Black America represents just 10% of the civilian workforce.

However, Black Americans compromise 18% of all Federal workers.

25% of all employees at Treasury and Veteran Affairs
31% of all State Department employees
37% of all Education Department employees
38% of all HUD employees
42% of EEOC and Pension Benefit Guaranty Corporation (a Federal Gov office)
55% of all Government Printing Office employees
82% of Court Services and Offender Supervision Agency employees

Ridiculous, though maybe the last one (Court Services and Offenders) is most appropriate.

I'd like to know where those figures came from. Are they talking about all federal workers nation wide or just in the capital? If it's DC, then I'd say blacks are under represented. Washington DC's population, as of 2010 is 50.7%.

http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/11000.html

Without any source cited I'll have to pass on believing this.


Comshaw

 

[RoryN]

I'd like to know where those figures came from.

Wherever someone who'd name themselves "[nigger]fromawoodpile" would get their stats.

 

[Mike_Yates]

Nearly every single black is a democrat.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

America is the Nigga Ireland.

The elites handfeed table scraps to the Nigga, to destroy his motivation, and to force the real Irish to develope cunning, ambition, and art. The Potato Famine was prolly the best thing that ever happened to Bog Trotters before our elites lifted the Nigga to lapdog status.

 

[Liar]

It's becuz the private sector snags all the good caucasians.

 

[CandiCame]

Goddamn it. First the penis steriotypes and now this. This is unfair.

 

[RoryN]

America is the Nigga Ireland.

The elites handfeed table scraps to the Nigga...

You have no balls, eh old man? Or did your ancient, fat ass sit on them?

There's no excuse you can come up with to diminish the slur, so man up and spell it out.