Gore and his Golden Toilet Seat

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Gore brings back $640 toilet seat
Investigators: VP's 'Reinventing Government' causing
widespread defense purchase abuses
By Charles Thompson and Tony Hays
© 2000 WorldNetDaily.com
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/bluesky_exnews/20001027_xex_gore_brings_.shtml


The military procurement horror tales of the early 1980s --
immortalized by the $435 claw hammer, the $640 toilet seat and $7,600 coffee makers -- have returned, say investigators, thanks to Vice President Al Gore's "Reinventing Government" campaign.

When President Ronald Reagan first heard of the outrageous
overcharging on ABC's 20/20, which exposed the labyrinthine
military purchasing bureaucracy that allowed $1,118.26 to be paid for a spare plastic cap for a navigator's stool on a B-52 bomber (worth about two cents), he demanded answers from Secretary of Defense Casper Weinberger.

Weinberger promised Reagan he would determine the malefactors and punish them, but instead he appeared on Capitol Hill and defended the shocking prices. Outraged, Washington Post cartoonist Herblock lampooned Weinberger by drawing a toilet seat around his neck. The seat remained around his neck as long as Weinberger remained in office.

Shortly after Gore took office as vice president in 1993, he began his campaign to "reinvent" government, frequently appearing on the David Letterman and other television talk shows, smashing ash trays to show how ludicrous government regulations could be. Government rules specified how many shards were allowable when the ashtray disintegrated.

Fed up with bureaucrats and overly burdensome red tape, the
public and the media basically gave Gore a wide berth and
accepted what he said at face value. However, some were worried over Gore's proposal to pare back auditors and basically pay bills in good faith.

The Pentagon, which faced the bulk of the criticism over shoddy buying practices and poor fiscal controls, was therefore amenable to embracing Gore's cuts of oversight, dubbing its new program "Acquisition Reform."

The Department of Defense inaugurated a system (sometimes
called "Pay and Chase"), in which every bill that came in was paid,no matter how apparently inflated or otherwise suspicious, and later chased down if necessary in an attempt to retrieve the overpayment. The Defense Accounting Finance Service writes $22 billion in checks every month.

Air Force fiscal expert Ernest Fitzgerald and veteran Capitol Hill investigator Charles Murphy, both working for Sen. Charles Grassley, R-Iowa, on a study of Air Force billing practices,recently examined 200 items selected for them by the Air Force. They discovered that not a single one had been properly invoiced. This, they say, results in serious fraud:

Take the case of Mark Krenik, a Pentagon fiscal oversight officer,who created a phony company and then billed himself $504,000. He had to repay the money, but was not sentenced to prison. Probation only, and a $495 fine. He told the federal judge that he did it because everyone else in his section was doing to the same,but he was not required to name names.

Sgt. Robbie Miller, who was stationed at the Wright-Patterson Air Force Base in Dayton, Ohio, was convicted and sent to prison for stealing $1 million in a deal similar to Krenik's. Miller would not have been caught had he not been involved in two adulterous affairs with female co-workers in the middle of his swindle. The second woman didn't entirely trust Miller and compiled a detailed file, which she turned over to criminal investigators. Agents say
they swooped down on Miller as he was hauling garbage bags of evidence out of the office to burn it.

Fitzgerald says that even in the "bad old days of the early 1980s," the Air Force would prosecute someone who engaged in a conspiracy to defraud vendors, made false entries in financial ledgers or turned in fake accounts. "But now the brass doesn't think it's worth the trouble," Fitzgerald said. Contractors were billing $300 a night hotel rooms, private jet flights, meals at five-star restaurants and bar bills to the government.

Air Force non-commissioned officers like Miller, who handle giant accounts at Dayton, call any vendor account that is less than $100,000 "budget dust" and say it's not worth the time or effort trying to recover. Fitzgerald and Murphy also uncovered many instances of Pentagon checks being sent to deceased persons.

According to the Project On Government Oversight, the Defense Criminal Investigative Agency used to get hundreds of criminal case referrals each year. Now it only gets a handful.

"Drastically cutting oversight personnel blinds the government inits oversight of tens of billions of dollars of contracts each year," said Danielle Brian, executive director of POGO.

Another phrase used to describe fraud is "bucket billing." This is for really big stuff. It means, according to Fitzgerald, that you have the money, but don't have any particular program to which to allocate it, so you stick it willy-nilly in places where it's hard for overworked auditors to discover. "Straight Pay" means you pay a contractor for doing no work.

"Each time you pull one of these shenanigans, it's a lot of work. Your boss and his dog have to change their books," Fitzgerald said.

"Fast Track" -- the Pentagon's favorite phrase for what amounts to lax fiscal controls -- is part and parcel of the streamlined government Gore has promoted, but it generally means that no cost controls are in effect, say investigators. In fact, a Department of Defense inspector general's report issued in Jan. 1999 stated that there was between two and three trillion dollars in "unsupported accounting adjustments" on the books. That doesn't mean all that money has been stolen or wasted -- it just means nobody knows for sure where it is.

At a time when both George W. Bush and Al Gore are talking
about beefing up the military, and bemoaning reports that some units are incapable of being deployed because of a chronic lack of spare parts, it now appears that some of those spare parts have been drastically overpaid.

The Pentagon is paying 618 percent more for its spare parts than it should, according to the inspector general's report, titled "Commercial Spare Parts Purchased on a Corporate Contract." It cited a $24.72 spare part that the government bought from Boeing for $403.39 -- a markup of 1,532 percent. Another contractor charged $76 for 57-cent screws.

"The problem is that by going so far in reducing oversight, 'the reformers' have thrown the baby out with the bathwater, resulting in cases of 618 percent overpricing again," Brian said.

Most responsible for the return to gold-plated military toilet seats, she said, is "Al Gore and his 'Reinventing Government' program."
 
govt spending

no critical comments here are aimed at Cheyenne- a very interesting post. When the big hammer/toilet seast issue was being massaged by the press I was still in business, selling electrical construction material.

Many of the projects involved were federal govt, some military - some non military i.e. Bureau of Indian Affairs etc. If you ever looked at some of the specifications with a little knowledge of the material involved you would immediately see why the costs were what they were - it would take about 25 pages to describe the hammer and about 50 pages to describe the toilet seat. Now imagine yourself trying to meet those specs and complying with such garbage as the exact color of the handle of the hammer, or the shape and color of the toilet seat? And then the arguments after the fact over whether in fact you had exactly met all specifications, before you got paid which might take as much as five years, for a simple hammer, since some govt bureaucrat decided he was more important than whether the businessman paid his employees or his rent or phone bill.

The problem basically is that there is too much money involved! Remenmber what Willie Sutton said when they asked him why he robbed banks- "thats where the money is"
 
Re: govt spending

catlover said:

If you ever looked at some of the specifications with a little knowledge of the material involved you would immediately see why the costs were what they were - it would take about 25 pages to describe the hammer and about 50 pages to describe the toilet seat. Now imagine yourself trying to meet those specs and complying with such garbage as the exact color of the handle of the hammer, or the shape and color of the toilet seat? And then the arguments after the fact over whether in fact you had exactly met all specifications, before you got paid which might take as much as five years, for a simple hammer, since some govt bureaucrat decided he was more important than whether the businessman paid his employees or his rent or phone bill.


Agreed. I have also dealt with the government systems. Getting paid has always been a pain. And I can't say I've noticed that payment has gotten any quicker in the last 8 years, either!

My proposal is that the proper thing to do would be to simplify those spec requests so that you don't need 25 pages to describe a hammer, or 50 to describe a toilet seat. As a CPA, I can tell you the one thing you DO NOT want to do is eliminate internal controls over proper cash disbursements. The government is like any other business. "Pay and chase" is almost a guaranteed road to fraud.
 
A view from the other side of the fence...

Cheyenne said:
When President Ronald Reagan first heard of the outrageous
overcharging on ABC's 20/20, which exposed the labyrinthine
military purchasing bureaucracy that allowed $1,118.26 to be paid for a spare plastic cap for a navigator's stool on a B-52 bomber (worth about two cents), he demanded answers from Secretary of Defense Casper Weinberger.

Weinberger promised Reagan he would determine the malefactors and punish them, but instead he appeared on Capitol Hill and defended the shocking prices. Outraged, Washington Post cartoonist Herblock lampooned Weinberger by drawing a toilet seat around his neck. The seat remained around his neck as long as Weinberger remained in office.

I spent 21 years dealing with MILSPEC parts, and often with the lack thereof.

The press made much of Weinberger's defense of the cost of MILSPEC parts, but ignored the programs that he implemented in all of the services to challenge the cost of parts, and the 'local procurement' procedures that allowed buying hammers at Home Depot instead of ordering them through the supply system. The situation began getting better, and was continuing to improve when I retired in 1989.

There are times when MILSPEC requirements make sense, and others when it is simply a matter of bureaucracy at work.

Parts for Mlitary Aircraft are subjected to stresses not found in civilian aircraft other than the Concorde. They have to function at higher speeds, and higher altitudes with complete reliability.

As catlover mentioned, some of the requirements are not only unreasonable, but they add to production costs. Certification that the manufacturer not only meets the specifications for the part, but also the equal opportunity employer, wage scale, OHSA standards, and all of the other niggling details required of government contractors adds to the overhead and production costs.

Whether Gore, Bush, Nader, or any of the other candidates win the presidency, the bureaucracy will remain in control of procurement. Without fundemental changes there, the skimming, kickbacks, fraud, and other crimes will attract those of weak morals into their loopholes.

Reducing the internal controls obviously isn't the answer. Adding more layers to the bureaucracy isn't the answer either.

The answer is a complete house cleaning of all government procurement programs. GSA, DOD, Corps of Engineers, and all of the other bureaucracies, large and small, that spend taxpayer's money should be audited down to the last penny by independent auditors. (A consortium of accounting firms like H.R. Block, et al)

Unfortunately, it will never happen. There are too many "issues of national security" that would block any rational and independent audit. The amounts involved would invariably cause some money to stick to some of the auditors fingers too, thereby tainting the results of the audit.

Not all of the NCOs in the military take advantage of the MILSPEC procurement system. Most curse it daily because they have to wait six months for the supply system to deliver their brand new Stanley brand hammer when the local hardware store is having clearance sales on the same brand and model of hammer.
 
Bullshit!...

They all make too much money! If there was a Law that only allowed them to make as much money as Schoolteachers, shit would CHANGE!!!!!!
 
Re: A view from the other side of the fence...

Originally posted by Weird Harold
GSA, DOD, Corps of Engineers, and all of the other bureaucracies, large and small, that spend taxpayer's money should be audited down to the last penny by independent auditors. (A consortium of accounting firms like H.R. Block, et al)

..The amounts involved would invariably cause some money to stick to some of the auditors fingers too, thereby tainting the results of the audit.


OMG. You just struck fear in the hearts of CPA's everywhere. H.R. Block as auditors! That scares me more than Gore as President. Block most certainly does not do audits. Only licensed CPA's can give an audit opinion. Block does tax work. Not the same thing.

Same for the comment on money sticking to the fingers of auditors. It has probably happened sometime, but I can't say I've ever heard of a single case where auditors stole money as part of an audit engagement. CPAs have amazingly strict rules to follow. Where there are problems and the audit firms get into trouble, it is usually related to something that they did or did not do as part of their audit procedures. Finding fraud (or not) is always an area with lawsuits, for example. Not doing enough audit work to uncover problems is another. A favorite of mine is the audit firm that issues an unqualified opinion right before a company is forced into bankruptcy (a going concern, qualified opinion should have been issued.)

Anyway, I got off on a side topic there, even though I haven't worked on an audit in 12 or 13 years. Your basic idea of the government needing to redo the whole system is exactly the point. Through Gore's efforts, the internal controls were weakened and it appears fraud increased. Instead of weakening controls, strengthen controls but simplify the systems and procedures.
 
Cheyenne said:
OMG. You just struck fear in the hearts of CPA's everywhere. H.R. Block as auditors! That scares me more than Gore as President.
...
Same for the comment on money sticking to the fingers of auditors. It has probably happened sometime, but I can't say I've ever heard of a single case where auditors stole money as part of an audit engagement. CPAs have amazingly strict rules to follow.

Sorry, I didn't mean to insult CPAs by including HR Block in their ranks.

Given the scale of the task of auditing the entire US government down to the penny though, it would bring out the bad CPAs -- even if nothing else could tempt them.

When you start dealing with money that's counted in dozens of digits, small amounts like mere millions tend to get sticky. <G>

One thing does puzzle me though. You say the fraud has increased, but "According to the Project On Government Oversight, the Defense Criminal Investigative Agency used to get hundreds of criminal case referrals each year. Now it only gets a handful."

If fewer cases of criminal fraud are being reported, then how do they know the actual amount of fraud is increasing?
 
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Weird Harold said:


Given the scale of the task of auditing the entire US government down to the penny though, it would bring out the bad CPAs -- even if nothing else could tempt them.

When you start dealing with money that's counted in dozens of digits, small amounts like mere millions tend to get sticky. <G>

If fewer cases of criminal fraud are being reported, then how do they know the actual amount of fraud is increasing?

The answer to your question about fewer cases of criminal fraud is in the paragraph after the one you are referring to:

According to the Project On Government Oversight, the Defense Criminal Investigative Agency used to get hundreds of criminal case referrals each year. Now it only gets a handful.

"Drastically cutting oversight personnel blinds the government in its oversight of tens of billions of dollars of contracts each year," said Danielle Brian, executive director of POGO.


One of the reasons the fraud can occur in the first place is the lack of personnel- no "detect" controls to find it after it happens in addition to the lack of "prevent" controls to avoid having it happen in the first place. That same lack of personnel results in less time/interest in criminal case referrals, and the circle continues. As the crooks realize there are no controls and they aren't likely to be caught, more fraud occurs. Sorry, I'm slipping into the lingo of my prior life as an auditor. But I've seen this scenario in RL.

As for the money sticking to the auditors hands, you do understand that there really isn't any money counted in an audit? Auditors really have no access at all to cash or any other assets? All they have access to is a paper trail (and now computer trail) of records. The one way I can think of for the auditors to join in the bounty from fraud would be for them to jack up their service bills for hours not actually worked. If no one is paying attention to accounts payable, the auditors could bill excess hours and not ever be caught. But it would have to be something that direct for them to have "sticky fingers." They couldn't join in the bounty of fraud "after the fact" -it would have to be done proactively.
 
Re: Get Yer Dirt Here!

Laurel said:

Isn't this fun more fun than discussing the issues?

I believe it was Gore that addressed his program of reinventing the government in the last debate as he took credit for reducing government size (but not blame for increasing fraud). If Gore feels reinventing the government is an issue worthy of being included in the debate, then I certainly believe it is a valid issue to discuss, too. It just happens to fall into an area I know something about first hand.
 
No More George Washingtons...

Our Future went down in a plane crash on the way to Martha's Vineyard...If you ran for office, would you Cop to being a Literotican? How did you end up here?...
 
Libertarian

well personally i am closer to being a Libertarian than anything else, altho ive never voted for one- total waste of a vote as far as im concerned - why dont they all (Libertarians, Constitution party and about 4 or five others all get together and unite into one- then we might have a viable third party with enuf force to accomplish something
 
Hee hee. I think Shiraz' question was about being a Literotican (member of this board) not Libertarian.

To answer what I think he asked, no, I probably wouldn't admit being a Literotican if I were running for office. This is my safe haven place where I can be myself and not worry about anyone from my RL knowing me here. Of course, I wouldn't be running for office in the first place. Public service is noble and thankless and almost all levels. It isn't for me, just like it isn't for most people.
 
Cheyenne said:
The answer to your question about fewer cases of criminal fraud is in the paragraph after the one you are referring to:

According to the Project On Government Oversight, the Defense Criminal Investigative Agency used to get hundreds of criminal case referrals each year. Now it only gets a handful.

"Drastically cutting oversight personnel blinds the government in its oversight of tens of billions of dollars of contracts each year," said Danielle Brian, executive director of POGO.

That doesn't really answer the question. If there is no one looking, who is seeing the fraud? There is simply an assumption that more fraud is going on because of the lack of oversight.

Don't misunderstand me here, I also assume that there is more fraud going on. I just want to make it clear that without the oversight in place, it can only be an assumption.

I understand that auditors only deal with numbers, receipts, and computer trails. However, access to computer trails implies access to the computers, which in turn implies the potential for altering the computer trails. Other than the over-billing you cite, I'm not exactly wure were the opportunity for illicit profit might be found, but then I'm hampered by compulsive honesty and a lack of knowledge about where such "computer trails" might be diverted to.

The Chinese discovered years ago that the Emporer may come and go, but the bureaucracy remains. Even today, the country is run by essentially the same bureaucracy as the one established by the Ch'in Emperors a couple of thousand years ago. The tangled network of government procurement bureaucracies has it's roots in the Revolutionary War. Fraud and Peculation have been part of it since the beginning. The only thing that has really changed in 250+ years, is the size of the numbers.

I don't believe that there is such a thing as an uncorrupted bureaucracy, and bureaucracies are harder to kill than crab-grass.
 
Weird Harold said:
I understand that auditors only deal with numbers, receipts, and computer trails. However, access to computer trails implies access to the computers, which in turn implies the potential for altering the computer trails. Other than the over-billing you cite, I'm not exactly wure were the opportunity for illicit profit might be found, but then I'm hampered by compulsive honesty and a lack of knowledge about where such "computer trails" might be diverted to.

Nope, auditors don't have access to clients'computer systems to be able to affect their content. They only have access to the historical information which is generated by the systems, not access to the systems directly. There is a difference. Think of it as being similar to "read only" access in Excel, not having the right to actually change anything in the system, but you can read what is already there (the computer trail.)
 
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