GOP: You lost because Obama is a centrist; you won't win by tacking right

[KingOrfeo]

Look, Pubs, here's what you have to accept before you can make any progress: Obama is a centrist. Yes, he is. He is not a socialist radical. He is not a stealth Communist. He is not even much of a liberal. His neoliberal politics are not much different from Bill Clinton's, who tried to get a rather more vigorous health-care reform package through. They are different from Romney's politics, but not by a real whole lot. This election was so close because both candidates were centrists and the people usually prefer centrists. If you run a far-right Pub in 2016, as so many of you are already talking about, any centrist Dem in Clinton's and Obama's mold will eat him for breakfast and order more bacon. Hillary Clinton v. a Rick Santorum/Ron Paul/Newt Gingrich? No contest, Hillary landslides. The only way it can be a real contest is if your far-right Pub's opponent that year is a far-leftie, a Ralph Nader or a Bernie Sanders or a Dennis Kucinich; which is not likely to happen.

 

[RobDownSouth]

You're too late, my friend. They've already gone back into their reality-proof cocoons.

 

[Busybody]

STFU, we dont want any fucking advice from you, QUEER ORAFARCE

 

[KyleW]

You're too late, my friend. They've already gone back into their reality-proof cocoons.

There was never even a window of opportunity to slip in some sanity. They immediately went to the END OF THE UNITED STATES HAS BEGUN THIS MOMENT!

 

[unregistered]

 

[Wok]

If only voter ID laws were in place.

 

[KingOrfeo]

If only voter ID laws were in place.

Not even Aaron Klein believes that. Look, based on exit polling, the turnout nationwide was 38% Dem, 32% Pub, 30% Independent. Can anyone seriously mean to argue that ineligible voters (noncitizens, convicts) on the Dem side made up the disparity there? No, it is simply that there are more Dems than Pubs, a fact which has been very well-known for decades. As for the Independents, some are far-right and some are far-left, but most are centrists, the ever-hunted "swing voters". That's just how it is. Obama won because most of those swing voters preferred the just-slightly-left-of-centrist they knew to the just-slightly-right-of-centrist they didn't. A far-right (or far-left) candidate will never appeal to them.

 

[unregistered]

 

[KyleW]

If only voter ID laws were in place.

Ah republicans are douchebags.

And the pennsylvania stuff was nice and confusing for voters. They could ask for ID, but you could refuse to show it. So it wasn't "required".

I'm sure by 2016 a lot of states are going to have some sort of voter ID "requirement".

 

[rosco rathbone]

The cynical hacks, fixers and operatives at the center of the GOP culture know perfectly well that Obama is a moderate. The problem was, the rank and file tended to get high on their own supply.

The Democratic Party now occupies the center, for better or for worse. Some day, Obama will be regarded by the GOP as "not that bad", like Clinton.He instituted their own healthcare scheme, and he's about to cut the social safety net while maintaining most of the low taxes for the rich. In other word, Democrats won by taking Republican positions, and in the big picture Reaganism is triumphant....just being administered by someone who culturally reads "liberal" via being black and from academia.

 

[Wok]

Ah republicans are douchebags.

And the pennsylvania stuff was nice and confusing for voters. They could ask for ID, but you could refuse to show it. So it wasn't "required".

I'm sure by 2016 a lot of states are going to have some sort of voter ID "requirement".

The reality is, voter ID's will not change anything. It is a simple deflection tool and excuse maker. With the neat side effect of "brown people, oh noes!" WND makes me laugh. A lot.

 

[Wok]

The cynical hacks, fixers and operatives at the center of the GOP culture know perfectly well that Obama is a moderate. The problem was, the rank and file tended to get high on their own supply.

The Democratic Party now occupies the center, for better or for worse. Some day, Obama will be regarded by the GOP as "not that bad", like Clinton.He instituted their own healthcare scheme, and he's about to cut the social safety net while maintaining most of the low taxes for the rich. In other word, Democrats won by taking Republican positions, and in the big picture Reaganism is triumphant....just being administered by someone who culturally reads "liberal" via being black and from academia.

You said it better than I could ever hope to.

 

[KingOrfeo]

KO, you are hopelessly fucked up.

I'm on the winning side here, and I'm the one who is seeing the on-the-ground electoral realities clearly, and I'm the one who's hopelessy fucked up? How ya figger that?

 

[rosco rathbone]

You said it better than I could ever hope to.

Who is that in your av?

 

[Wok]

Who is that in your av?

Oh, a lady reacting to the election loss. There is a series of photos (I'll see if I can find it) with the triumph and defeat pictures. A lot like the Wide World of Sports.

 

[KingOrfeo]

Here's another thing: The new 500-pound gorilla in American politics is the Latino vote. Pubs, do you want to win over those traditionalist, family-oriented Catholics in 2016? You can, perhaps -- but moderate conservatism is the way to appeal to them; radical conservatism cannot be disentangled from nativism and immigrant-bashing.

 

[LiFeNdEaTh]

uuuugh....

...thanks for sharing
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[KingOrfeo]

The Democratic Party now occupies the center, for better or for worse. Some day, Obama will be regarded by the GOP as "not that bad", like Clinton.

Is Clinton regarded by the GOP as "not that bad," even now?

 

[unregistered]

 

[KyleW]

TACK RIGHT, TACK RIGHT.

I support this move.

 

[KingOrfeo]

TACK RIGHT, TACK RIGHT.

I support this move.

Good. Hold out your right hand. [prepares hammer and tacks]

 

[richard_daily]

KO, now hear this!

You are gerbil, hear you roar!

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Not even Aaron Klein believes that. Look, based on exit polling, the turnout nationwide was 38% Dem, 32% Pub, 30% Independent. Can anyone seriously mean to argue that ineligible voters (noncitizens, convicts) on the Dem side made up the disparity there? No, it is simply that there are more Dems than Pubs, a fact which has been very well-known for decades. As for the Independents, some are far-right and some are far-left, but most are centrists, the ever-hunted "swing voters". That's just how it is. Obama won because most of those swing voters preferred the just-slightly-left-of-centrist they knew to the just-slightly-right-of-centrist they didn't. A far-right (or far-left) candidate will never appeal to them.

But 8 million of his 2008 supporters stayed home.

Here's the real situation: You aint eye-candy if you cant get a date with anyone but his sister, aunts, or cousins. The 2012 election was a choice tween Lenny and Squiggy.

 

[patient1]

An article today from the GOP's female minority governor of a democratic state.
She has a fresh idea-


http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/...mments-romney-set-us-042536026--election.html

 

[mark_j]

Look, Pubs, here's what you have to accept before you can make any progress: Obama is a centrist. Yes, he is. He is not a socialist radical. He is not a stealth Communist. He is not even much of a liberal. His neoliberal politics are not much different from Bill Clinton's, who tried to get a rather more vigorous health-care reform package through. They are different from Romney's politics, but not by a real whole lot. This election was so close because both candidates were centrists and the people usually prefer centrists. If you run a far-right Pub in 2016, as so many of you are already talking about, any centrist Dem in Clinton's and Obama's mold will eat him for breakfast and order more bacon. Hillary Clinton v. a Rick Santorum/Ron Paul/Newt Gingrich? No contest, Hillary landslides. The only way it can be a real contest is if your far-right Pub's opponent that year is a far-leftie, a Ralph Nader or a Bernie Sanders or a Dennis Kucinich; which is not likely to happen.

You know what? In the end it really doesn't matter. The election is OVER. Arguing or analyzing why this or that is an exercise in futility.

Get over it...